School Shootings: Is it really media?

[Mathematical Trickery]

How ******** up would it be if there was a school shooting and nobody reported it?

[Pwn3r_F0x]

Princess Z-M

No, I know it was true. I read a book about school shooting so yeah what these nut-cases did wasn't new. Like I said the first one I read about was some professor/Teacher shooting up the place way back when Tom and Huck were causing hell.

So...

My apologies about that then. I thought you were going to question the source. So I was just shooting that down before it started.

Mathematical Trickery

How ******** up would it be if there was a school shooting and nobody reported it?

Honestly I do not believe it should be reported. The reports when they come early are filled with un-reliable information and guess work that you have to do real research to figure out oh they were not bullied, lonely, manson listening goth kids. Plus all the reporting just causes irrational fear in the viewers.
Thank god our school didn't get reported. We had some show off dumbass blow up a bomb on school grounds.

[Princess Z-M]

Mathematical Trickery

How ******** up would it be if there was a school shooting and nobody reported it?

Already happened. Of course you aren't going to want to know and I can't provide links since it was all in-house and wasn't at all gang-related.

Stupidity related....

[Princess Z-M]

Pwn3r_F0x

Princess Z-M

No, I know it was true. I read a book about school shooting so yeah what these nut-cases did wasn't new. Like I said the first one I read about was some professor/Teacher shooting up the place way back when Tom and Huck were causing hell.

So...

My apologies about that then. I thought you were going to question the source. So I was just shooting that down before it started..

No problem. I doubt you read this whole thread or read my earlier posts so yeah no biggie. I was one of the first people to pointed out that school shootings have a long history in this gun-crazy society. Like I said the first minor reporting of a school shooting was way back in the 1800's when this dude just shoot up his class of 12. Cause they didn't know a freaking question!

s**t talk about a hard a** teacher! Yet of course back them with what only the newspaper and stuff it didn't get out. Plus the community wrote it off with a simple Insane case and left it alone.

(I just want to know the title of the book. It was a series of oddities in US history I read way back in HS so I can't really prove, prove it but yeah I read it so it has to be published somewhere under some title. Still Damn!)

[wolfves tears]

Some people just simply lack the intelligence to get along with others properly and like to bully them to amuse themselves, not considering that the 'victim' might end up doing something back to them for revenge....

As for all of the questions you listed, I don't think many of them have that much of an effect on people doing violent things...that's just my opinion though.

I guess there really isn't much we can do to completely stop bullying though. xp It's kinda sad really.

[dainichijess]

Charles Whitman. Someone already mentioned him, but only briefly. Whitman went into a tower on the UT Austin campus in 1966 and killed fourteen people and injured 32. He also killed his mother and wife earlier that day.
Violent video games and music are a scapegoat. They're what people blame when they want to believe that something terrible was an isolated incident, or somehow preventable.
They're also used to deflect blame from those who let someone slip through the cracks. Whitman actually visited a psychiatrist a few months earlier and mentioned an urge to "start shooting people with a deer rifle" from the tower. He also told friends he had abused his wife, which wasn't reported until later.
Whitman was clearly disturbed, and should have been under much more stringent psychological attention.

"Oh, it was the 60's, nobody knew he'd actually do it."

"Oh, it was Doom, they were nice boys before that."

I would also like for anyone who thinks that "too many guns" causes things like this to talk to Suzanna Hupp. I'm sure she'd appreciate it.

[Decapitated Victim]

pulchritudinous soup

Question 1: Do you think that video games greatly influence adolescents to become violent to such a degree that they would, literally, shoot and kill others for their own benefit?

In the words of Johnny, the Homicidal Maniac:
"Any pile of stunted growth unaware that entertainment is just that and nothing more deserves to doom themselves to a dank cell somewhere for having been so stupid ! Movies, books, T.V., Music, [Video Games]- they're all just entertainment, not guidebooks for damning yourself !"

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Question 2: Is the Gothic trend worthy of blame?

The Characterizations were considered incorrect. That means drop it, the way people dress doesn't dictate whether they kill or not.

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Blame for the shootings was directed at bands like Rammstein, Marilyn Manson, KMFDM, and other mainstream 'dark' music groups, which was detailed in Michael Moore's documentary Bowling for Columbine. Lead singer Manson stated on a VH1 interview that the band had cancelled three concerts in memoriam of the tragedy. When asked what he would have said to kids at Columbine or to the people in the community, Manson replied: "I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did."[43]

Question 3: Was it appropriate to blame Marilyn Manson? Can music influence someone to do something as violent as this?

See my answer for Question 1.

Also, I believe that the bullying was the one and only factor directly responsible for the shooting. The music, video game use, and 'goth' trend were more then likely all effects of the bullying, not the inward desire to kill.

[Pwn3r_F0x]

dainichijess

Charles Whitman. Someone already mentioned him, but only briefly. Whitman went into a tower on the UT Austin campus in 1966 and killed fourteen people and injured 32. He also killed his mother and wife earlier that day.
Violent video games and music are a scapegoat. They're what people blame when they want to believe that something terrible was an isolated incident, or somehow preventable.
They're also used to deflect blame from those who let someone slip through the cracks. Whitman actually visited a psychiatrist a few months earlier and mentioned an urge to "start shooting people with a deer rifle" from the tower. He also told friends he had abused his wife, which wasn't reported until later.
Whitman was clearly disturbed, and should have been under much more stringent psychological attention.

I am actually surprised that no one claimed the Marine Corps was the cause.

Decapitated Victim

Also, I believe that the bullying was the one and only factor directly responsible for the shooting. The music, video game use, and 'goth' trend were more then likely all effects of the bullying, not the inward desire to kill.

THERE WAS NO BULLYING IN COLUMBINE! NOR MOST OF THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!

[mustangssgt]

Bullying is to blame.
These jerks made my best friend, a strong man now, who has since completed basic training and joined the air force, they made him cry under the bleachers. I wanted to kill them for that.
To be honest, I thought that it would stop. That people would realize that what they were doing was wrong, that it had consequences, that no one could be abused like that without being damaged.
Do you know what happened?
They joked about it.
"Be careful, Eldridge is going to go columbine,"
They inspired me not to take s**t, and I was suspended twice in eighth grade, but you have no idea how often I thought about it. I studied military handbooks, weapons, the specs to make weapons, and I thought about it, but I'm not the suicide type, and I couldn't think of a good exit plan, and I definitely couldn't leave Nick alone with them in the aftermath.

The kid at USF not long ago, I can commiserate with his feelings. I bet he got into college and he thought "Now I'm in college, people will be adults, they won't mess with me, they won't give a s*** that I'm different, they'll just let me be" and then almost immediately the teasing began, they called him "Question mark" and he's thinking to himself, "This is never going to change. They're always going to make my life miserable" and he snapped.

I listen to country music, i don't play video games. I wanted to so bad. If it wasn't for my one friend, I would have done it.

[mustangssgt]

Pwn3r_F0x

dainichijess

Charles Whitman. Someone already mentioned him, but only briefly. Whitman went into a tower on the UT Austin campus in 1966 and killed fourteen people and injured 32. He also killed his mother and wife earlier that day.
Violent video games and music are a scapegoat. They're what people blame when they want to believe that something terrible was an isolated incident, or somehow preventable.
They're also used to deflect blame from those who let someone slip through the cracks. Whitman actually visited a psychiatrist a few months earlier and mentioned an urge to "start shooting people with a deer rifle" from the tower. He also told friends he had abused his wife, which wasn't reported until later.
Whitman was clearly disturbed, and should have been under much more stringent psychological attention.

I am actually surprised that no one claimed the Marine Corps was the cause.

Decapitated Victim

Also, I believe that the bullying was the one and only factor directly responsible for the shooting. The music, video game use, and 'goth' trend were more then likely all effects of the bullying, not the inward desire to kill.

THERE WAS NO BULLYING IN COLUMBINE! NOR MOST OF THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!

Where do you get that from?

[mustangssgt]

Mathematical Trickery

How ******** up would it be if there was a school shooting and nobody reported it?

You would need silencers, you'd have to start on the outside and work your way in, block all the doors, cut the phone lines, and cut cell phones via an EM pulse.
It would require I'd say at least a dozen people, even in a small school. You'd have to take out people with walkee talkees quickly, so they couldn't call for help, and you'd have to kill everyone in the school.

Actually, at that point, you might even get away with it, since most kids aren't fingerprinted yet. Collect all student IDs, pile the bodies in the gym, douse them in lye rather then torching them. The smell will be nauseating, the supplies will be expensive, and if you could pull together a dozen or more people and that much cash, you're probably not that mad anyway lol

[Pwn3r_F0x]

mustangssgt

Where do you get that from?

Just read through the first few pages and you will see my posts.
I got it from my research on it in law class from the FBI report.
Well then you have a really distrorted sense of justic which will come from either poor teaching of ethics and right and wrong. Which I doubt since you know bullying is wrong, but is possible sense teasing merits death. But more so you suffer from an underlying psychological disorder. And if you took it into a Columbine scenario you would have planned on killing your airman friend as well. Yes Columbine held no prejudice at all. And since you didn't mention you were bullied nothing of the questions applies to you, thus furthering my point being bullied cause school shootings.
As a side statistics APA stated only about 1/3 of school shootings even had bullying in it. More so depression is the only common characteristic accounting for less than 50% of shootings.
And time for a cheap shot WTF? Someone who cries from bullying joined the military where the worse hazing comes from? Not too bright.

[mustangssgt]

Pwn3r_F0x

mustangssgt

Where do you get that from?

Just read through the first few pages and you will see my posts.
I got it from my research on it in law class from the FBI report.
Well then you have a really distrorted sense of justic which will come from either poor teaching of ethics and right and wrong. Which I doubt since you know bullying is wrong, but is possible sense teasing merits death. But more so you suffer from an underlying psychological disorder. And if you took it into a Columbine scenario you would have planned on killing your airman friend as well. Yes Columbine held no prejudice at all. And since you didn't mention you were bullied nothing of the questions applies to you, thus furthering my point being bullied cause school shootings.
As a side statistics APA stated only about 1/3 of school shootings even had bullying in it. More so depression is the only common characteristic accounting for less than 50% of shootings.
And time for a cheap shot WTF? Someone who cries from bullying joined the military where the worse hazing comes from? Not too bright.

It's not a "bullying deserves death" correlation, it's "Death is the only way to stop this constant misery, and they're the ones who cause it, so it should be THEIR death, not mine, or at the very least, in addition to mine."
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/1003col4.shtml
this article specifically states the concerns about bullying at columbine. They took about the same course I did (violent website/violent fantasies) with just a different final conclusion.

Basic training wasn't bad, actually. In school, I had my life threatened, I had welts on my arms from jerks shooting pieces of wire at me with rubber-bands, I've had dirt shoved in my mouth, then been mocked because I was to poor to afford food, so I ate dirt, In basic, the most violent thing to happen was one good kick in the back for an improper push up, and I did it properly after that. I was teased more heavily in school for my stutter then I was by my DSes. They called some kids there fat, which I didn't think was too cool, but it seemed to motivate them. The other soldiers don't mess with you too much, and I only got into one fight in basic, vs maybe a dozen in middle school, and the DS made us fight it out. I lost, but we were cool after that.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

wolfves tears

Some people just simply lack the intelligence to get along with others properly and like to bully them to amuse themselves, not considering that the 'victim' might end up doing something back to them for revenge....

As for all of the questions you listed, I don't think many of them have that much of an effect on people doing violent things...that's just my opinion though.

I guess there really isn't much we can do to completely stop bullying though. xp It's kinda sad really.

That's a hell of a ******** statement. One hell of a potentially discriminatory, problematic statement. You think only smart people are capable of getting along with other people? What's your evidence?

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

mustangssgt

Mathematical Trickery

How ******** up would it be if there was a school shooting and nobody reported it?

You would need silencers, you'd have to start on the outside and work your way in, block all the doors, cut the phone lines, and cut cell phones via an EM pulse.
It would require I'd say at least a dozen people, even in a small school. You'd have to take out people with walkee talkees quickly, so they couldn't call for help, and you'd have to kill everyone in the school.

Actually, at that point, you might even get away with it, since most kids aren't fingerprinted yet. Collect all student IDs, pile the bodies in the gym, douse them in lye rather then torching them. The smell will be nauseating, the supplies will be expensive, and if you could pull together a dozen or more people and that much cash, you're probably not that mad anyway lol

Or you'd need to take the advice of Dr. Park Dietz, a Forensic Psychiatrist.

This video is part of a British media critics special about TV news broadcasts, and focuses on the British media coverage of the Winnenden school shooting in Germany commited by 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

For those that don't want to watch the video, here is the advice that Dr. Dietz offers for dealing with school shootings.

"If you don't want to propogate more mass murders, don't start the story with sirens blaring, don't have photographs of the killer, don't make this 24/7 coverage, do everything you can not to make the body count the lead story, do not make the killer some kind of anti-hero, but DO localise the story to the effected community and make it as boring as possible in every other market. Because every time we have instense saturation coverage of a mass murder, we expect to see one or two more within a week."

If anything, bad news coverage in itself could be more responsible for mass murder than any other form of media. The news offers a form of legitimate broadcast, of institutionalised success. Gaming only offers ideas (if it does anything at all), the news is pretty much a prize for someone who wants to get a message out.