Scary governmental power grabs continue for ten-year period,

[severedDEATHelemental]

Queen Shining Heaven

All of this talk about destroying society and rebuilding it is pointless to me. It's all just wishful thinking that can never be put into action. You'd never get the people behind you, and even if you did, who's to say the plan will go as you want it to? Things could go awry very easily, and then what do you have? Society is destroyed, and it was all for nothing, because now you've failed anyway. The system isn't perfect, but that is the fault of humanity; we are not perfect beings, so nothing we create can be perfect. Corruption will creep in everywhere, even if you destroy society and rebuild it, it will come back. So, the only thing you can really do is speak out when your rights are threatened and work within the system for change

All great things happen because someone tried it, and the trying will make my life a grand adventure well worth the living. I will not die unhappy. Maybe in some amount of pain, though.


Sure, the only thing to do is... nothing. Right. You know why people think that speaking out and working within the system works? So they don't revolt.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

The rules are only part of the problem. The other parts are the systems and the participants.

The "systems"- that's again legislation?

The "participants"?


Oh, so you want a dictatorship.

Figures. rolleyes

No, I want freedom.

No, legislation is part of the system. You must remove one before you start another, otherwise the first will contaminate the other.

You want "freedom", yet you claim the participants are the problem, I.E. you don't want democracy.

Legislation is good, and your whole "it will contaminate" thing doesn't really make any sense, as even if we "dismantled" the government and replaced it with the exact same method of government and then put in new legislation, which we would probably do, it would have no bearing sense it's an abstract concept.

Don't kid yourself. American government isn't democracy.

EDIT: What's so goddamn great about legislation? We have a lot, it isn't doing so much.

EDIT EDIT: Or did they assign you that idea to promote today?

lol

You have no idea how many times I've been accused of being some secret government spy.


It's really quite hilarious.

Also the legislation is great, change the rules, you change the government, that's all that matters, right?


New rules = new stuff.

If tomorrow we suddenly decided that government would pay for healthcare or that boomboxes could be played as loudly as a person wanted a lot would change.

[Grand Monarch of Heaven]

severedDEATHelemental

Queen Shining Heaven

All of this talk about destroying society and rebuilding it is pointless to me. It's all just wishful thinking that can never be put into action. You'd never get the people behind you, and even if you did, who's to say the plan will go as you want it to? Things could go awry very easily, and then what do you have? Society is destroyed, and it was all for nothing, because now you've failed anyway. The system isn't perfect, but that is the fault of humanity; we are not perfect beings, so nothing we create can be perfect. Corruption will creep in everywhere, even if you destroy society and rebuild it, it will come back. So, the only thing you can really do is speak out when your rights are threatened and work within the system for change

All great things happen because someone tried it, and the trying will make my life a grand adventure well worth the living. I will not die unhappy. Maybe in some amount of pain, though.


Sure, the only thing to do is... nothing. Right. You know why people think that speaking out and working within the system works? So they don't revolt.

What I am saying is, what if you actually go through all of this and fail, and end up leaving things in a worse condition than it was before? Maybe it won't affect you if you die, but there are others who have to live with the consequences if you fail. And even if you succeed, will the world stay the way you want it? History repeats itself after all, one kind of corruption could just replace the current kind. Also, I honestly don't think the world or country is in a condition where we need radical violent revolution

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Queen Shining Heaven

severedDEATHelemental

Queen Shining Heaven

All of this talk about destroying society and rebuilding it is pointless to me. It's all just wishful thinking that can never be put into action. You'd never get the people behind you, and even if you did, who's to say the plan will go as you want it to? Things could go awry very easily, and then what do you have? Society is destroyed, and it was all for nothing, because now you've failed anyway. The system isn't perfect, but that is the fault of humanity; we are not perfect beings, so nothing we create can be perfect. Corruption will creep in everywhere, even if you destroy society and rebuild it, it will come back. So, the only thing you can really do is speak out when your rights are threatened and work within the system for change

All great things happen because someone tried it, and the trying will make my life a grand adventure well worth the living. I will not die unhappy. Maybe in some amount of pain, though.


Sure, the only thing to do is... nothing. Right. You know why people think that speaking out and working within the system works? So they don't revolt.

What I am saying is, what if you actually go through all of this and fail, and end up leaving things in a worse condition than it was before? Maybe it won't affect you if you die, but there are others who have to live with the consequences if you fail. And even if you succeed, will the world stay the way you want it? History repeats itself after all, one kind of corruption could just replace the current kind. Also, I honestly don't think the world or country is in a condition where we need radical violent revolution

He's already say that the people are the problem and that violence is the only way of solving it. rolleyes

[Grand Monarch of Heaven]

Suicidesoldier#1

Queen Shining Heaven

severedDEATHelemental

Queen Shining Heaven

All of this talk about destroying society and rebuilding it is pointless to me. It's all just wishful thinking that can never be put into action. You'd never get the people behind you, and even if you did, who's to say the plan will go as you want it to? Things could go awry very easily, and then what do you have? Society is destroyed, and it was all for nothing, because now you've failed anyway. The system isn't perfect, but that is the fault of humanity; we are not perfect beings, so nothing we create can be perfect. Corruption will creep in everywhere, even if you destroy society and rebuild it, it will come back. So, the only thing you can really do is speak out when your rights are threatened and work within the system for change

All great things happen because someone tried it, and the trying will make my life a grand adventure well worth the living. I will not die unhappy. Maybe in some amount of pain, though.


Sure, the only thing to do is... nothing. Right. You know why people think that speaking out and working within the system works? So they don't revolt.

What I am saying is, what if you actually go through all of this and fail, and end up leaving things in a worse condition than it was before? Maybe it won't affect you if you die, but there are others who have to live with the consequences if you fail. And even if you succeed, will the world stay the way you want it? History repeats itself after all, one kind of corruption could just replace the current kind. Also, I honestly don't think the world or country is in a condition where we need radical violent revolution

He's already say that the people are the problem and that violence is the only way of solving it. rolleyes

Yes, but that is his opinion. Maybe it will work, maybe it will just beget more violence. But at the end of the day, we're only arguing hypotheticals. He hasn't gotten a revolution together yet, and the likelihood of something like this happening seems low.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Queen Shining Heaven

Suicidesoldier#1

Queen Shining Heaven

severedDEATHelemental

Queen Shining Heaven

All of this talk about destroying society and rebuilding it is pointless to me. It's all just wishful thinking that can never be put into action. You'd never get the people behind you, and even if you did, who's to say the plan will go as you want it to? Things could go awry very easily, and then what do you have? Society is destroyed, and it was all for nothing, because now you've failed anyway. The system isn't perfect, but that is the fault of humanity; we are not perfect beings, so nothing we create can be perfect. Corruption will creep in everywhere, even if you destroy society and rebuild it, it will come back. So, the only thing you can really do is speak out when your rights are threatened and work within the system for change

All great things happen because someone tried it, and the trying will make my life a grand adventure well worth the living. I will not die unhappy. Maybe in some amount of pain, though.


Sure, the only thing to do is... nothing. Right. You know why people think that speaking out and working within the system works? So they don't revolt.

What I am saying is, what if you actually go through all of this and fail, and end up leaving things in a worse condition than it was before? Maybe it won't affect you if you die, but there are others who have to live with the consequences if you fail. And even if you succeed, will the world stay the way you want it? History repeats itself after all, one kind of corruption could just replace the current kind. Also, I honestly don't think the world or country is in a condition where we need radical violent revolution

He's already say that the people are the problem and that violence is the only way of solving it. rolleyes

Yes, but that is his opinion. Maybe it will work, maybe it will just beget more violence. But at the end of the day, we're only arguing hypotheticals. He hasn't gotten a revolution together yet, and the likelihood of something like this happening seems low.

Fact of the matter is, he wants to kill a bunch of random innocent people for basically no reason.

Thoughts like these pretty much discredit the purpose of his "rebellion."

[Doofi3]

Queen Shining Heaven

All of this talk about destroying society and rebuilding it is pointless to me. It's all just wishful thinking that can never be put into action. You'd never get the people behind you, and even if you did, who's to say the plan will go as you want it to? Things could go awry very easily, and then what do you have? Society is destroyed, and it was all for nothing, because now you've failed anyway. The system isn't perfect, but that is the fault of humanity; we are not perfect beings, so nothing we create can be perfect. Corruption will creep in everywhere, even if you destroy society and rebuild it, it will come back. So, the only thing you can really do is speak out when your rights are threatened and work within the system for change

THIS. That is EXACTLY the point I wanted to make. I couldn't have said it better. The problem is IN our humanity, not in the governments we make.

Thank you for putting it so succinctly.

[Doofi3]

Suicidesoldier#1

Fact of the matter is, he wants to kill a bunch of random innocent people for basically no reason.

Thoughts like these pretty much discredit the purpose of his "rebellion."

Precisely. This is why revolt is not the prudent choice for us at this time. If things get SIGNIFICANTLY worse, I might get behind a revolution.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

Doofi3

Suicidesoldier#1

Fact of the matter is, he wants to kill a bunch of random innocent people for basically no reason.

Thoughts like these pretty much discredit the purpose of his "rebellion."

Precisely. This is why revolt is not the prudent choice for us at this time. If things get SIGNIFICANTLY worse, I might get behind a revolution.

Just threaten people and give demands.

When you are like "switch to alternate power sources such as thorium..." in your demands they'll s**t their pants.

[severedDEATHelemental]

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

The rules are only part of the problem. The other parts are the systems and the participants.

The "systems"- that's again legislation?

The "participants"?


Oh, so you want a dictatorship.

Figures. rolleyes

No, I want freedom.

No, legislation is part of the system. You must remove one before you start another, otherwise the first will contaminate the other.

You want "freedom", yet you claim the participants are the problem, I.E. you don't want democracy.

Legislation is good, and your whole "it will contaminate" thing doesn't really make any sense, as even if we "dismantled" the government and replaced it with the exact same method of government and then put in new legislation, which we would probably do, it would have no bearing sense it's an abstract concept.

Don't kid yourself. American government isn't democracy.

EDIT: What's so goddamn great about legislation? We have a lot, it isn't doing so much.

EDIT EDIT: Or did they assign you that idea to promote today?

lol

You have no idea how many times I've been accused of being some secret government spy.


It's really quite hilarious.

Also the legislation is great, change the rules, you change the government, that's all that matters, right?


New rules = new stuff.

If tomorrow we suddenly decided that government would pay for healthcare or that boomboxes could be played as loudly as a person wanted a lot would change.

No, dude, that's just your schtick. You come on here advocating the current system despite its horrific ********, and at times insinuate that you work for the government. You're like an opposite me; I come on here advocating destruction of the system despite its successes, and at times insinuate that I'd like to blow up the government.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

No, I want freedom.

No, legislation is part of the system. You must remove one before you start another, otherwise the first will contaminate the other.

You want "freedom", yet you claim the participants are the problem, I.E. you don't want democracy.

Legislation is good, and your whole "it will contaminate" thing doesn't really make any sense, as even if we "dismantled" the government and replaced it with the exact same method of government and then put in new legislation, which we would probably do, it would have no bearing sense it's an abstract concept.

Don't kid yourself. American government isn't democracy.

EDIT: What's so goddamn great about legislation? We have a lot, it isn't doing so much.

EDIT EDIT: Or did they assign you that idea to promote today?

lol

You have no idea how many times I've been accused of being some secret government spy.


It's really quite hilarious.

Also the legislation is great, change the rules, you change the government, that's all that matters, right?


New rules = new stuff.

If tomorrow we suddenly decided that government would pay for healthcare or that boomboxes could be played as loudly as a person wanted a lot would change.

No, dude, that's just your schtick. You come on here advocating the current system despite its horrific ********, and at times insinuate that you work for the government. You're like an opposite me; I come on here advocating destruction of the system despite its successes, and at times insinuate that I'd like to blow up the government.

So, new rules wouldn't equal new changes in the government and how it's run if said rules are enforced? confused

[severedDEATHelemental]

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

No, I want freedom.

No, legislation is part of the system. You must remove one before you start another, otherwise the first will contaminate the other.

You want "freedom", yet you claim the participants are the problem, I.E. you don't want democracy.

Legislation is good, and your whole "it will contaminate" thing doesn't really make any sense, as even if we "dismantled" the government and replaced it with the exact same method of government and then put in new legislation, which we would probably do, it would have no bearing sense it's an abstract concept.

Don't kid yourself. American government isn't democracy.

EDIT: What's so goddamn great about legislation? We have a lot, it isn't doing so much.

EDIT EDIT: Or did they assign you that idea to promote today?

lol

You have no idea how many times I've been accused of being some secret government spy.


It's really quite hilarious.

Also the legislation is great, change the rules, you change the government, that's all that matters, right?


New rules = new stuff.

If tomorrow we suddenly decided that government would pay for healthcare or that boomboxes could be played as loudly as a person wanted a lot would change.

No, dude, that's just your schtick. You come on here advocating the current system despite its horrific ********, and at times insinuate that you work for the government. You're like an opposite me; I come on here advocating destruction of the system despite its successes, and at times insinuate that I'd like to blow up the government.

So, new rules wouldn't equal new changes in the government and how it's run if said rules are enforced? confused

Nope. IF said rules are even enforced, and at that in the full spirit of the changes and not the bare minimum standard, ONLY the rules will have changed. Society's perceptions will still be the same. Society's institutions will still be the same. All these are infected with the poison of the controllers and must be reset for the golden age of humanity to emerge.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Don't kid yourself. American government isn't democracy.

EDIT: What's so goddamn great about legislation? We have a lot, it isn't doing so much.

EDIT EDIT: Or did they assign you that idea to promote today?

lol

You have no idea how many times I've been accused of being some secret government spy.


It's really quite hilarious.

Also the legislation is great, change the rules, you change the government, that's all that matters, right?


New rules = new stuff.

If tomorrow we suddenly decided that government would pay for healthcare or that boomboxes could be played as loudly as a person wanted a lot would change.

No, dude, that's just your schtick. You come on here advocating the current system despite its horrific ********, and at times insinuate that you work for the government. You're like an opposite me; I come on here advocating destruction of the system despite its successes, and at times insinuate that I'd like to blow up the government.

So, new rules wouldn't equal new changes in the government and how it's run if said rules are enforced? confused

Nope. IF said rules are even enforced, and at that in the full spirit of the changes and not the bare minimum standard, ONLY the rules will have changed. Society's perceptions will still be the same. Society's institutions will still be the same. All these are infected with the poison of the controllers and must be reset for the golden age of humanity to emerge.

Societies perceptions, who cares?

Society can think what they want.


And why would violence change societies viewpoint, instead of explaining things to them?

You are downright insane.

[severedDEATHelemental]

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Don't kid yourself. American government isn't democracy.

EDIT: What's so goddamn great about legislation? We have a lot, it isn't doing so much.

EDIT EDIT: Or did they assign you that idea to promote today?

lol

You have no idea how many times I've been accused of being some secret government spy.


It's really quite hilarious.

Also the legislation is great, change the rules, you change the government, that's all that matters, right?


New rules = new stuff.

If tomorrow we suddenly decided that government would pay for healthcare or that boomboxes could be played as loudly as a person wanted a lot would change.

No, dude, that's just your schtick. You come on here advocating the current system despite its horrific ********, and at times insinuate that you work for the government. You're like an opposite me; I come on here advocating destruction of the system despite its successes, and at times insinuate that I'd like to blow up the government.

So, new rules wouldn't equal new changes in the government and how it's run if said rules are enforced? confused

Nope. IF said rules are even enforced, and at that in the full spirit of the changes and not the bare minimum standard, ONLY the rules will have changed. Society's perceptions will still be the same. Society's institutions will still be the same. All these are infected with the poison of the controllers and must be reset for the golden age of humanity to emerge.

Societies perceptions, who cares?

Society can think what they want.


And why would violence change societies viewpoint, instead of explaining things to them?

You are downright insane.

No, dude, society's perceptions matter a lot. What society holds to be true is treated as fact whether it's true or not. What society sees is held to be the true sight in the eyes of the people. We cannot allow a lie to masquerade as the truth. This is what has gotten us so into trouble in the first place.

You've got to blow a few things up before people start listening to reason. It's usually that way.

[Suicidesoldier#1]

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

Suicidesoldier#1

severedDEATHelemental

No, dude, that's just your schtick. You come on here advocating the current system despite its horrific ********, and at times insinuate that you work for the government. You're like an opposite me; I come on here advocating destruction of the system despite its successes, and at times insinuate that I'd like to blow up the government.

So, new rules wouldn't equal new changes in the government and how it's run if said rules are enforced? confused

Nope. IF said rules are even enforced, and at that in the full spirit of the changes and not the bare minimum standard, ONLY the rules will have changed. Society's perceptions will still be the same. Society's institutions will still be the same. All these are infected with the poison of the controllers and must be reset for the golden age of humanity to emerge.

Societies perceptions, who cares?

Society can think what they want.


And why would violence change societies viewpoint, instead of explaining things to them?

You are downright insane.

No, dude, society's perceptions matter a lot. What society holds to be true is treated as fact whether it's true or not. What society sees is held to be the true sight in the eyes of the people. We cannot allow a lie to masquerade as the truth. This is what has gotten us so into trouble in the first place.

You've got to blow a few things up before people start listening to reason. It's usually that way.

That's just psychopathic. First of all, people respond to reason ALL THE TIME, it's why they aren't just murdering each other right now.

Secondly trying to murder them will NOT get them to listen to you or like your ideas, just hate you. If you really want to change society, you have to win their hearts, not try to tear them out.


But that's just insane.

You want to change people's "perceptions", and what's wrong with them having their own opinions? You want to take that away, or threaten to kill them? What is wrong with you? Oh no, it isn't enough to have a perfect government system if we create one, you have to "punish" mankind right? rolleyes People like you make me sick.