Reverse Discrimination is a Myth!

[Polynomika]

It happens.

In my high school, the city kids (who were primarily of African descent) would:

~ Skip in any and all lines
~ Blatantly ignore the dress code
~ Initiate public displays of affection (prohibited in the school)

And the moment anyone tried to correct them (IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCHOOL POLICIES) they would cry 'discrimination!'... and then be allowed to go on as they pleased, because the school (which was filled with predominantly white, upper-middle-class students and staff of primarily Western European descent) was scared to death of a lawsuit.

Now, I realise that this may not be exactly what you were referring to in your post.

Just saying... even if it's there in a small way, it's there, and it's stupid and unfair that some people consider themselves above the rules because another race 'owes them something'.

"In a haze, these days,
I pull up to the stop light,
I can feel something's not right,
I can feel someone blasting me with
Hate and bass,
Sendin' dirty thoughts my way,
'Cuz my great-great-great-great-granddad
Owned someone's great-great-great-great-granddaddy-slaves.
It wasn't my idea.
It really wasn't my idea.
Never was my idea."

[Czevak]

Toldos

Inquisitor Czevak

Toldos

Power to the people!

*throws his fist into the air*

Ow... that kinda hurt.

You should know I'm being completely serious about it.

Who said that I wasn't?

Most people seem to have a problem with misplaced morals.

[Adopis]

Polynomika

It happens.

In my high school, the city kids (who were primarily of African descent) would:

~ Skip in any and all lines
~ Blatantly ignore the dress code
~ Initiate public displays of affection (prohibited in the school)

And the moment anyone tried to correct them (IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCHOOL POLICIES) they would cry 'discrimination!'... and then be allowed to go on as they pleased, because the school (which was filled with predominantly white, upper-middle-class students and staff of primarily Western European descent) was scared to death of a lawsuit.

It's a dress code and public displays of affection.

At the end of the day, what does it really matter?

[Cathara]

Yep, it does happan. Discrimination plain and simple. I totally know where your coming from with being ticked off at people having a go at you for your race, I get that too. Try being white in a predominatly Aboriginee town in the country, it ain't fun.

[native_son]

Just so I can clarify: I see where you're coming from too, but you're right, that's not what I want to focus on in this thread. In any system, you're going to have jackasses who abuse it, and this applies as much to affirmative action as to any other.

What I'm talking about is people arguing about reverse discrimination to students and employees who need affirmative action just to get to the standard (be it economical, social, or intellectual). I hope that clarifies any future posts.

EDIT: Even thought I use reverse discrimination in terms of "white majority vs. minority," it has been pointed out to me that this isn't true in all cultures. Of course, my experience is with American ideology, particularly in stereotypes and demenaing comments based on my being Native Americans. so I can't exactly empathize.

But, if you feel as if you're being discriminated against, or reverse discriminated against, that's what I want you to argue. Take a STAND! smile

[Cathara]

native_son

Just so I can clarify: I see where you're coming from too, but you're right, that's not what I want to focus on in this thread. In any system, you're going to have jackasses who abuse it, and this applies as much to affirmative action as to any other.

What I'm talking about is people arguing about reverse discrimination to students and employees who need affirmative action just to get to the standard (be it economical, social, or intellectual). I hope that clarifies any future posts.

Okay, it still happans. Aboriginees at my school are given special award for turning up to class, and those who do well are showered in praise and help. I find it offensive as do some of the Aboriginees that people give them things for doing the smae amount/quality of work as the white/non-Aboriginees.

[Czevak]

Cathara

Yep, it does happan. Discrimination plain and simple. I totally know where your coming from with being ticked off at people having a go at you for your race, I get that too. Try being white in a predominatly Aboriginee town in the country, it ain't fun.

If you get insulted, it's justly deserved.

[Cathara]

Inquisitor Czevak

Cathara

Yep, it does happan. Discrimination plain and simple. I totally know where your coming from with being ticked off at people having a go at you for your race, I get that too. Try being white in a predominatly Aboriginee town in the country, it ain't fun.

If you get insulted, it's justly deserved.

How so?

[Cathara]

I've gotta go now, so pardon me if I don't reply. I'll come back later.

[Polynomika]

Adopis

It's a dress code and public displays of affection.

At the end of the day, what does it really matter?

It matters in that it leads to more stretching of the rules.

Several students got caught, once, in the midst of... sexual activities in a little-used restroom in the freshman hallway. It was almost sick how systematically they separated out the punishments by race.

The white kids involved were all suspended for... well, for a long time. Long enough that they ended up failing all of their classes that semester due to poor attendance.

The black kids, however, got somewhere on the order of two weeks - which, while that's enough to set anyone back, will not, in and of itself, cause them to fail their classes.

The black kids will be graduating on time. The white kids involved? Not so lucky.

[Adopis]

Polynomika

It matters in that it leads to more stretching of the rules.

Several students got caught, once, in the midst of... sexual activities in a little-used restroom in the freshman hallway. It was almost sick how systematically they separated out the punishments by race.

The white kids involved were all suspended for... well, for a long time. Long enough that they ended up failing all of their classes that semester due to poor attendance.

The black kids, however, got somewhere on the order of two weeks - which, while that's enough to set anyone back, will not, in and of itself, cause them to fail their classes.

The black kids will be graduating on time. The white kids involved? Not so lucky.

Sexism is worse than racism in schools, I find.

If a guy hits a guy, its not a big deal.

If a girl hits a guy, its not a big deal.

GOD HELP THE GUY THAT HITS A GIRL THOUGH!!

Offtopic, I just changed my hair and clothes, and I found myself wondering how a straight male can dress up dolls like this on this site.

[DonAbbatecola]

"Reverse racism," does not exist in so much as it is racism period. In so far as your notion of racism against whites being nonexistent...well, to be blunt that is simply laughable. It demonstrates a very limited understanding of the different races that comprise what you understand as white people.
Just a few questions for you to answer.
What about the Irish who are still engaged in an 800 year old struggle to get the British out of their island? What about the hate their, breeding almost Israeli-Palestinian like conflicts and terrorism at times.
What about the Irish, Italian, Polish, Jewish ghetto experience here in America? The experiences they have had are on par with that of the blacks, transplanted Mongolians (don't deny it, if you want to be really PC that is what you are), and Asians in this country when you look at late 1800's and early 1900's America.
What about the Holocaust?
Do you really think that nationalities like the Poles and Irish who have been being beaten up by the other European countries for centuries are so unimportant?
Do you really think these prejudices don't exist?
And that is just white-on-white racism, not the so called "reverse racism" you speak of.
Are you not an example of "reverse racism?"
What about the portion of transplanted Africans who preach the killing of white people?
What about the "Asian Superiority Complex?"
There is racist bullshit aimed at everyone.
The Anglo-majority of white Americans (who you seem to use to represent all people of the skin color, without being able to recognize the difference) who can technically be called Arryans now are racist against Iraqis who belong to the same race as the Iranians. Iranian translates to Arryan.
Racism is pointless and everyone hates everyone, instead of ignoring one form of it why not fight all of it?

[Natas Ferret]

Out of curiosity, why do you refer to yourself as a Native American and not by your tribal name?
I doubt the Cherokee, or the Chakta, or the Arapahoe claimed to be Native Americans before the name "America" was tagged onto this continent. Granted, they probably didn't call themselves THOSE names either. However, I am unfamiliar with any of the native tongue other than English.

And my favourite: I'm a majority-minority... "Chinese-American". Except that I'm not Chinese in the sense that I'm from China. I'm an American with Chinese blood.
Just as I know many "African-Americans" who have never been to Africa, so I don't quite grasp how they can call themselves such. And I've known white African-Americans, individuals who were born in Africa, hence they become an African. And then moved to the U.S. where they became African-Americans.

So, I suppose, you need to clarfiy: were you born on a reservation, and raised with your Native idealogies? Or were you born in some random city, which makes you an American more than it does a Native, aside from your bloodline.
I for one claim no hold toward China, I wasn't born there. I'm an American. I'm not a Chinese-American. I'm not an English-American. I'm not a German-American.
Why?
I was never BORN in those countries. I was born in America. So I am an American.

Affirmitave-action makes me wretch.
Discrimination of any kind makes me wretch.
But trying to be a martyr and a victim, as you are acting, makes me want to eat babies.

[native_son]

The thing is, though, Polynomika [sic?...i can't see the previous posts], is that you can leave that situation. To me, your example seems like either an extreme example, or an slight on the part of your admistrative staff.

Reverse discrimination that I hear all the time is something that I cannot escape. People regularly complain to me in any academic environment once they learn of my heritage. Honestly, I don't think your example is a case effectively supporting reverse discrimination, because it is such an isolated incident, compared to the total population.

Not that that justifies it, of course. But I need more before I'll accept reverse discrimination as reality

[Czevak]

Polynomika

The white kids involved were all suspended for... well, for a long time. Long enough that they ended up failing all of their classes that semester due to poor attendance.

The black kids, however, got somewhere on the order of two weeks - which, while that's enough to set anyone back, will not, in and of itself, cause them to fail their classes.

Good. It's a just punishment.