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Please reference how the Feds are doing this.

Google it. It just recently hit the news
It's part of Obama's health care reform bill.
Like what Nancy Pelosi said and I quote:

"We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."


I suspect this is not actually in Obama's healthcare bill. But if it is, I support it. ******** religious institutions.
You can not legally support this due to separation of church and state. I can respect your opinions but that does not validate them when concerning matters within legal confines. In order to be a proper citizen under a republic you must first agree to what the republic stands for; if not then you should be obligated to not concern yourself with its affairs.


Well it seems to me that the religious people are constantly crossing that line themselves - banning gay marriage, censoring music, trying to outlaw mosques in New York, attempting to teach creationism in schools, etc. So if this gets knocked down with a court decision, oh well. I am merely happy to see the Jesus freaks have to actually defend themselves for a change.
To each topic you've mentioned is an entirely irrelevant discussion which I feel no discernible reason to address. Regardless, emotional reasoning does not provide a sufficient excuse to deny the principle of a nation's existence. If you believe liberty is righteous then the terms of liberty should be infinitely acceptable no matter the situation. You should not be at odds with any ideal in such a way that it would strip you of integrity so long as you are dealing with any affairs of legal importance.
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Mingkki
ACTION ALERT!

The Obama Administration is issuing a mandate under the United States Department of Health and Human Services that will require all religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals to partake in abortion and sterilization

The Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics and other religions our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty.

Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to do some thing that goes against their morals, their conscience, their beliefs!

We are not a Communist nation, so why is our Government acting like one?

It makes you stop and think really, where is this great nation headed?
Who knows what they will force out of us next. This needs to end now.

So I ask of you fellow supporters of Respect for Rights--whether religious or not, please help us preserve our freedom of belief, of religion.

One's belief makes us human

Support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act

What you can do to stop this absurdity (It will only take 5 minutes)

Contact your local State Representatives @
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Send them the message:
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Please co-sponsor the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act (H.R. 1179) and help enact it into law. The Obama administration's decision to require even religious institutions to provide coverage of sterilization and contraceptives, including drugs that can cause an abortion, makes passage of this measure especially urgent. Please ensure that the rights of conscience of all participants in our nation's health care system are respected.


LET'S ALSO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HOSPITALS TO OPT OUT OF PROVIDING ESSENTIAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES FOR X AND Y ETHNIC GROUPS BECAUSE DOING OTHERWISE WOULD BE LIMITING A HOSPITAL'S SENSE OF LIBERTY!!!!!!! GIT-R-DUN!
I read recently that Larry the Cable Guy doesn't actually have an accent at all and had to learn it. I was hoping he had a doctorate in something, because that would be humorously awesome, but alas the fates did not see fit to humor me.


That would've been hilarious. Like he was a German immigrant with a doctorate in astrophysics, then he came to the states and the only job he could find was being a stereotypical redneck comedian.
Yeah.
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Seriously, unless you have some verified sources, this is bull.
(please note, known propaganda sites like WND, infowars, prisonplanet, theblaze, etc are not known for spreading factual or real life events)


Like I said earlier, I caught it on the news this morning on FOX
pro-tip: fox LOCAL is news. FoxNews is not, it's opinion bordering on propaganda.

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and The Catholic bishops of the United States have already taken action encouraging the people to support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act.
how about the Respecting Innocence of Underaged Boys act? emotion_awesome
ok, that was uncalled for, but somewhere deep down, you chuckled.

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Just last Sunday, I remember our church's pastor bringing it up during mass so I really do not believe this is faulty
fun fact: pastors are not infallable. They're just normal people, who read from a book. And this one, was inserting his own personal experiences into God's worship, so......does that seem right? It sounds to me lke your pastor may be trying to spread more of a political message instead of a holy message. Beware false prophets and all that.


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although I haven't thoroughly searched it on the net yet.
yet you follow blindly and advise others to do the same. See how effective one person in a position of authority can be when spreading false info?


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I believe a variety of online news sites are a hassle and extremely confusing. I like to rely on broadcasted television news.
so you enjoy having someone filter out the news for you and instead give you their interpretation of it, instead of obtaining a factual version for yourself so you know you're not being lied to?


Not only did I find what you say very offensive,
I took the liberty of searching it on the net for you.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/pro-choice_obama_forces_religious_institutions_to_pay_for_abortion_drugs.html

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/07/obama-admin-talks-about-backing-off-new-obamacare-mandate/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2012/02/07/nbc-brings-left-wing-host-slam-far-right-objections-obama-birth-contro

Do you still believe that I am passing on false information?
Mingkki

The Obama Administration is issuing a mandate under the United States Department of Health and Human Services that will require all religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals to partake in abortion and sterilization


If you accept public money and perform a public service you must not discriminate based on religious terms. That discrimination has caused christian EMTs to refuse to save GLBT people who needed medical care. When you allow discrimination by hospitals you endanger the people who come to them in emergencies and for honest medical advice. A doctor that does not consider abortion as an option endangers the medical safety of pregnant women under their care. There is no requirement for christians to make hospitals. If they wish to make a purely christian institution that provides no public medical assistance and does not cover the community's medical needs and employs only christians as a religious medical institution then they mae themselves immune to this law. Once they tae public money and put themselves in the position to provide medical care or non-christians then they accept the public regulations of non-discrimination and the requirement to provide medically approved operations as an option, and for people who need them. The fact they have made hospitals in order to hold the country hostage in the giving of medical services for the public and to use this position to deny abortion is unacceptable and this is the correct decision in line with freedom of religion and the decision to have abortion by every patient.
Mingkki

The Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics and other religions our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty.


Actually they have upheld it for people who serve the community and not allowed them to discriminate against people of other ideas and limit public services lie medical help based on their religious faith. Your reedom of religion ends when you try to enforce your religious views on non-participants. you do not have the religious freedoms to discriminate in the public sector.
Mingkki

Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to do some thing that goes against their morals, their conscience, their beliefs!


Actually, they have. The enforcement of civil rights and the enforcement to hire and educate black people directly contradicted the moral and religious values of many religious people who felt black people were the descendants of the devil. So you are wrong and ignorant of reality.
Mingkki

We are not a Communist nation, so why is our Government acting like one?


Actually none of this has anything to do with communism you ******** stupid dolt.
Mingkki

It makes you stop and think really, where is this great nation headed?
Who knows what they will force out of us next. This needs to end now.


Hopefully we are heading away from the religious fascism people lie you promote.
Mingkki

So I ask of you fellow supporters of Respect for Rights--whether religious or not, please help us preserve our freedom of belief, of religion.


Though I support the freedom to believe whatever crazy religion you like, I do not support the back dooring of religious fascism into our medical community you anti-abortion ******** keep on trying.
Mingkki

One's belief makes us human

Support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act

What you can do to stop this absurdity (It will only take 5 minutes)

Contact your local State Representatives @
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/


Remember to send a message to congress letting them know you appreciate their enforcement of freedom over the reliious fascists who wish to control your medical treatment and limit your treatment based on their prejudice. remember this sort of rule protects the GLBT co,mmunity from bein denied medical care because it violates the religious values of medical providers who feel GLBT people are evil and deserve to die. Remember that these protections against religious prejudice are the same protections that allow mixed race marriages, that will someday allow gays to marry, and that protect all of us from the prejudice of the church which would gladly deny their opponents life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness when allowed.

Send congress a message that we have religious freedom and that you cannot deny medical care to people simply based on belie in a book of lies.
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Seriously, unless you have some verified sources, this is bull.
(please note, known propaganda sites like WND, infowars, prisonplanet, theblaze, etc are not known for spreading factual or real life events)


Like I said earlier, I caught it on the news this morning on FOX
pro-tip: fox LOCAL is news. FoxNews is not, it's opinion bordering on propaganda.

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and The Catholic bishops of the United States have already taken action encouraging the people to support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act.
how about the Respecting Innocence of Underaged Boys act? emotion_awesome
ok, that was uncalled for, but somewhere deep down, you chuckled.

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Just last Sunday, I remember our church's pastor bringing it up during mass so I really do not believe this is faulty
fun fact: pastors are not infallable. They're just normal people, who read from a book. And this one, was inserting his own personal experiences into God's worship, so......does that seem right? It sounds to me lke your pastor may be trying to spread more of a political message instead of a holy message. Beware false prophets and all that.


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although I haven't thoroughly searched it on the net yet.
yet you follow blindly and advise others to do the same. See how effective one person in a position of authority can be when spreading false info?


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I believe a variety of online news sites are a hassle and extremely confusing. I like to rely on broadcasted television news.
so you enjoy having someone filter out the news for you and instead give you their interpretation of it, instead of obtaining a factual version for yourself so you know you're not being lied to?


Not only did I find what you say very offensive,
I took the liberty of searching it on the net for you.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/pro-choice_obama_forces_religious_institutions_to_pay_for_abortion_drugs.html

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/07/obama-admin-talks-about-backing-off-new-obamacare-mandate/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2012/02/07/nbc-brings-left-wing-host-slam-far-right-objections-obama-birth-contro

Do you still believe that I am passing on false information?
Newsbusters is part of MRC, a right-wing propaganda operation. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Media_Research_Center

lifenews....just from the URL it seems to bave a bit of a pro-life slant, so probably not too fair on the news reporting. *researches*...not only are they heavily biased, but they're the people behind "DefeatObama2012", and have deep connections to townhall, cnsnews, and others. It's another well of propaganda, though focuses mainly on births.

American Thinker is a newsletter widely known for the echochamber effect, or a group of media outlets that tend to parrot each other's uncritical reports on the views of a single source, or that otherwise relies on unquestioning repetition of official sources.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Thinker

SO basicly, you just listed off three pieces of propaganda.
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This is not a moral issue. This is a labor rights issue. Every employer in the US has to follow these rules and it should stand to be fair religious institutions should too. They've been exempt from paying their dues in a society they heavily influence for far too long.

Just like the recent supreme court decision that gave religious institutions carte blanche to abuse and fire employees who no longer have recourse because their "protected" status makes them exempt from federal and local labor laws. The social contract demands that they have obligations to their employees as a condition for existing.

People can wax morality all they want but statistics say that anti-bc people are hypocrites, as a recent statistic showed 98% of catholic women are on or have used birth control of some form. If people don't want it, they don't have to have it. Nor does the argument that the are "paying" for it make any sense either because it pays out to the insurance provider's pockets, it does not go directly to any doctor or patient, nor can they prove that it went to anything they deemed illicit. It could have just as easily gone to cancer treatment for someone else.

And please learn what the hell communism is before throwing it around this has nothing to do with it, and saying that as a buzzword makes you look ignorant and drunk on propaganda kool-aid.
I hope this ends with most religious hospitals closing their doors rather than going along with abortions and whatever else it is they're so against. Yeah, that'll be awesome.
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What the ********? Is this really true?

not even slightly.
Mingkki
ACTION ALERT!

The Obama Administration is issuing a mandate under the United States Department of Health and Human Services that will require all religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals to partake in abortion and sterilization


It would not surprise me if Obama reinstated Malthusiasn racial eugenic programs, like his pal Bill Gates is doing in Africa. Sadly the right wing made such a fuss out of the Mexico city plan, that much needed hiv drugs, contraception, etc isnt allowed. Yet here in the united states, we still have people in power wanting to sterilize and force abortions on people like in China. Both the liberals and conservatives need a dose of reality.
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People can wax morality all they want but statistics say that anti-bc people are hypocrites, as a recent statistic showed 98% of catholic women are on or have used birth control of some form. If people don't want it, they don't have to have it. Nor does the argument that the are "paying" for it make any sense either because it pays out to the insurance provider's pockets, it does not go directly to any doctor or patient, nor can they prove that it went to anything they deemed illicit. It could have just as easily gone to cancer treatment for someone else.

I'd just like to mention that this point is absurd.
pocky did you have a stroke or something because wow.
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pocky did you have a stroke or something because wow.


Nope. But the concept of forced sterilization is alive in well in America
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/19/10192109-forced-abortion-for-a-mentally-ill-woman-no-way-says-mass-appeals-court

I just like watching liberals squirm now and then with arguments smile
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pocky did you have a stroke or something because wow.


Nope. But the concept of forced sterilization is alive in well in America

okay but how did you get that westerners are forcing chinese people to have abortions
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pocky did you have a stroke or something because wow.


Nope. But the concept of forced sterilization is alive in well in America

okay but how did you get that westerners are forcing chinese people to have abortions


The tyranical Chinese government is forcing Chinese women across the country to have chemical abortions and force sterilization. Thankfully America is still a free country(for now) But we could easily slip back to the 10's-1930's when the government was rolling out forced sterilization of "the feeble minded".
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pockybot
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pocky did you have a stroke or something because wow.


Nope. But the concept of forced sterilization is alive in well in America

okay but how did you get that westerners are forcing chinese people to have abortions


The tyranical Chinese government is forcing Chinese women across the country to have chemical abortions and force sterilization. Thankfully America is still a free country(for now) But we could easily slip back to the 10's-1930's when the government was rolling out forced sterilization of "the feeble minded".

okay but that didn't explain why you think western powers are forcing chinese women to have abortions.

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