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Mingkki
Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to do some thing that goes against their morals, their conscience, their beliefs!


Well, that's definitely bullshit. How about the Fugitive Slave Act for starters? How about Prohibition?

I could probably think of others. So could the rest of us.


My mistake, that is very unfortunate to hear. Even so, are we going to continue to let this happen again or not? I only ask for my fellow Americans support.
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Mingkki
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Please reference how the Feds are doing this.

Google it. It just recently hit the news
It's part of Obama's health care reform bill.
Like what Nancy Pelosi said and I quote:

"We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."


I suspect this is not actually in Obama's healthcare bill. But if it is, I support it. ******** religious institutions.
Belonging To Night
Mingkki
ACTION ALERT!

The Obama Administration is issuing a mandate under the United States Department of Health and Human Services that will require all religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals to partake in abortion and sterilization

The Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics and other religions our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty.

Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to do some thing that goes against their morals, their conscience, their beliefs!

We are not a Communist nation, so why is our Government acting like one?

It makes you stop and think really, where is this great nation headed?
Who knows what they will force out of us next. This needs to end now.

So I ask of you fellow supporters of Respect for Rights--whether religious or not, please help us preserve our freedom of belief, of religion.

One's belief makes us human

Support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act

What you can do to stop this absurdity (It will only take 5 minutes)

Contact your local State Representatives @
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Send them the message:
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Please co-sponsor the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act (H.R. 1179) and help enact it into law. The Obama administration's decision to require even religious institutions to provide coverage of sterilization and contraceptives, including drugs that can cause an abortion, makes passage of this measure especially urgent. Please ensure that the rights of conscience of all participants in our nation's health care system are respected.


LET'S ALSO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HOSPITALS TO OPT OUT OF PROVIDING ESSENTIAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES FOR X AND Y ETHNIC GROUPS BECAUSE DOING OTHERWISE WOULD BE LIMITING A HOSPITAL'S SENSE OF LIBERTY!!!!!!! GIT-R-DUN!


You're aligning needs and desires.
Jaydi Blaze
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Seriously, unless you have some verified sources, this is bull.
(please note, known propaganda sites like WND, infowars, prisonplanet, theblaze, etc are not known for spreading factual or real life events)
Belonging To Night
Mingkki
ACTION ALERT!

The Obama Administration is issuing a mandate under the United States Department of Health and Human Services that will require all religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals to partake in abortion and sterilization

The Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics and other religions our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty.

Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to do some thing that goes against their morals, their conscience, their beliefs!

We are not a Communist nation, so why is our Government acting like one?

It makes you stop and think really, where is this great nation headed?
Who knows what they will force out of us next. This needs to end now.

So I ask of you fellow supporters of Respect for Rights--whether religious or not, please help us preserve our freedom of belief, of religion.

One's belief makes us human

Support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act

What you can do to stop this absurdity (It will only take 5 minutes)

Contact your local State Representatives @
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Send them the message:
Quote:
Please co-sponsor the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act (H.R. 1179) and help enact it into law. The Obama administration's decision to require even religious institutions to provide coverage of sterilization and contraceptives, including drugs that can cause an abortion, makes passage of this measure especially urgent. Please ensure that the rights of conscience of all participants in our nation's health care system are respected.


LET'S ALSO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HOSPITALS TO OPT OUT OF PROVIDING ESSENTIAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES FOR X AND Y ETHNIC GROUPS BECAUSE DOING OTHERWISE WOULD BE LIMITING A HOSPITAL'S SENSE OF LIBERTY!!!!!!! GIT-R-DUN!
I read recently that Larry the Cable Guy doesn't actually have an accent at all and had to learn it. I was hoping he had a doctorate in something, because that would be humorously awesome, but alas the fates did not see fit to humor me.
Hawanja
Mingkki
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Please reference how the Feds are doing this.

Google it. It just recently hit the news
It's part of Obama's health care reform bill.
Like what Nancy Pelosi said and I quote:

"We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."


I suspect this is not actually in Obama's healthcare bill. But if it is, I support it. ******** religious institutions.
You can not legally support this due to separation of church and state. I can respect your opinions but that does not validate them when concerning matters within legal confines. In order to be a proper citizen under a republic you must first agree to what the republic stands for; if not then you should be obligated to not concern yourself with its affairs.
Jaydi Blaze
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Seriously, unless you have some verified sources, this is bull.
(please note, known propaganda sites like WND, infowars, prisonplanet, theblaze, etc are not known for spreading factual or real life events)


Like I said earlier, I caught it on the news this morning on FOX and The Catholic bishops of the United States have already taken action encouraging the people to support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act. Just last Sunday, I remember our church's pastor bringing it up during mass so I really do not believe this is faulty although I haven't thoroughly searched it on the net yet. I believe a variety of online news sites are a hassle and extremely confusing. I like to rely on broadcasted television news.
If this only applies to institutions that receive taxpayer dollars in any form, ******** them. They want secular support, they gotta play by secular rules.

Completely self sustaining institutions, I'm on your side. They shouldn't have to kowtow against their conscience.
GunsmithKitten
If this only applies to institutions that receive taxpayer dollars in any form, ******** them. They want secular support, they gotta play by secular rules.

Completely self sustaining institutions, I'm on your side. They shouldn't have to kowtow against their conscience.

Thank you
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Death Magnificent
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What the ********? Is this really true?

Probably not. Doesn't matter anyway.
. Why would you assert that it doesn't matter if your assertion is directed toward a person who seems deeply concerned about the subject matter. You have now established yourself as either disrespectful and rather pretensious or a troll. In both cases you have lost my attention and my implied respect toward your argument.


Sounds like you were looking for an excuse to discredit me. Clearly, you've found it, so ******** you. You don't get to converse with me today. Who knows, you may have been illuminated.

Eh, maybe that was harsh. It's easy to misconstrue tone from text. Why do you feel that this issue matters at all, considering everything else going on in the country and abroad?
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Hawanja
Mingkki
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Please reference how the Feds are doing this.

Google it. It just recently hit the news
It's part of Obama's health care reform bill.
Like what Nancy Pelosi said and I quote:

"We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."


I suspect this is not actually in Obama's healthcare bill. But if it is, I support it. ******** religious institutions.
You can not legally support this due to separation of church and state. I can respect your opinions but that does not validate them when concerning matters within legal confines. In order to be a proper citizen under a republic you must first agree to what the republic stands for; if not then you should be obligated to not concern yourself with its affairs.


Well it seems to me that the religious people are constantly crossing that line themselves - banning gay marriage, censoring music, trying to outlaw mosques in New York, attempting to teach creationism in schools, etc. So if this gets knocked down with a court decision, oh well. I am merely happy to see the Jesus freaks have to actually defend themselves for a change.
Mingkki
Jaydi Blaze
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Seriously, unless you have some verified sources, this is bull.
(please note, known propaganda sites like WND, infowars, prisonplanet, theblaze, etc are not known for spreading factual or real life events)


Like I said earlier, I caught it on the news this morning on FOX
pro-tip: fox LOCAL is news. FoxNews is not, it's opinion bordering on propaganda.

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and The Catholic bishops of the United States have already taken action encouraging the people to support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act.
how about the Respecting Innocence of Underaged Boys act? emotion_awesome
ok, that was uncalled for, but somewhere deep down, you chuckled.

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Just last Sunday, I remember our church's pastor bringing it up during mass so I really do not believe this is faulty
fun fact: pastors are not infallable. They're just normal people, who read from a book. And this one, was inserting his own personal experiences into God's worship, so......does that seem right? It sounds to me lke your pastor may be trying to spread more of a political message instead of a holy message. Beware false prophets and all that.


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although I haven't thoroughly searched it on the net yet.
yet you follow blindly and advise others to do the same. See how effective one person in a position of authority can be when spreading false info?


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I believe a variety of online news sites are a hassle and extremely confusing. I like to rely on broadcasted television news.
so you enjoy having someone filter out the news for you and instead give you their interpretation of it, instead of obtaining a factual version for yourself so you know you're not being lied to?
The Living Force
Belonging To Night
Mingkki
ACTION ALERT!

The Obama Administration is issuing a mandate under the United States Department of Health and Human Services that will require all religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals to partake in abortion and sterilization

The Administration has cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics and other religions our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty.

Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to do some thing that goes against their morals, their conscience, their beliefs!

We are not a Communist nation, so why is our Government acting like one?

It makes you stop and think really, where is this great nation headed?
Who knows what they will force out of us next. This needs to end now.

So I ask of you fellow supporters of Respect for Rights--whether religious or not, please help us preserve our freedom of belief, of religion.

One's belief makes us human

Support the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act

What you can do to stop this absurdity (It will only take 5 minutes)

Contact your local State Representatives @
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Send them the message:
Quote:
Please co-sponsor the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act (H.R. 1179) and help enact it into law. The Obama administration's decision to require even religious institutions to provide coverage of sterilization and contraceptives, including drugs that can cause an abortion, makes passage of this measure especially urgent. Please ensure that the rights of conscience of all participants in our nation's health care system are respected.


LET'S ALSO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HOSPITALS TO OPT OUT OF PROVIDING ESSENTIAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES FOR X AND Y ETHNIC GROUPS BECAUSE DOING OTHERWISE WOULD BE LIMITING A HOSPITAL'S SENSE OF LIBERTY!!!!!!! GIT-R-DUN!
I read recently that Larry the Cable Guy doesn't actually have an accent at all and had to learn it. I was hoping he had a doctorate in something, because that would be humorously awesome, but alas the fates did not see fit to humor me.


That would've been hilarious. Like he was a German immigrant with a doctorate in astrophysics, then he came to the states and the only job he could find was being a stereotypical redneck comedian.
Mingkki
GunsmithKitten
If this only applies to institutions that receive taxpayer dollars in any form, ******** them. They want secular support, they gotta play by secular rules.

Completely self sustaining institutions, I'm on your side. They shouldn't have to kowtow against their conscience.

Thank you


Now the 25,000$ question; is this simply a law that cuts off funding if an institution refuses to administer the services?
GunsmithKitten
If this only applies to institutions that receive taxpayer dollars in any form, ******** them. They want secular support, they gotta play by secular rules.

Completely self sustaining institutions, I'm on your side. They shouldn't have to kowtow against their conscience.


It doesn't. It applies to ALL hospitals. The only way that a religious group that is against birth control can avoid being forced to go against their doctrine is to refuse to treat anyone of their religion.
In other words, you show up in an ambulance, before they ask 'what's the emergency', they ask 'are you a practicing Catholic?'
The Army is even banning their Catholic Priests from reading the letter from the Bishops on this issue.

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