religious circumcision IS okay

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honestly, I cannot find anything that says you can or cant, but I am going to ask a doctor on this, but I don't see it as possible for a tumor to grow on something so thin

Wow new google record for me, only 15 seconds...Penile cancer

And it says right there and I quote: "Penile cancer starts in the skin of the p***s. Almost all (about 95%) penile cancers develop from flat skin cells called squamous cells. Squamous cell cancers can develop anywhere on the p***s. Most of these cancers are found on the foreskin (in men who have not been circumcised) or on the glans."

Ln2medicineresearch, or maybe Lrn2Google. Anyway, these are slow growing but there are fast growing types of cancers of the p***s(and note 95% are on the foreskin(though that doesn't warrant full removal)) But most likely it's a type of soft tissue cancer called a Sarcoma. A sarcoma effects any soft tissue from blood vessels to muscles. So he could a blood vessel sarcoma of any type.

I see nothing about at tumor in there, and I do not think cancer always requires a tumor, and circumcision does not help prevent cancer

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/aitken-swan1/
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/cervical_cancer_stmt2002.php
http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/acs/

You sir, are an idiot!
Ever Cancer begins with a tumor!
However, not all tumors are cancerous!
You have just proven you have little to no medical knowledge on the subject of penile deseases besides that of which has been given to you by bias sources.

The bold is ironic given the fact that the very posts you quoted states clearly that penile cancers do not start as tumors.

All cancers are tumors. Him claiming that a cancer doesn't always require one is foolish and blatantly wrong. Notice that all his quotes are from anti-cric websites and organizations? They are biased and false

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Mr Ransom 2

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Mr Ransom 2

I am human, I make mistakes.

Maybe you ought to apologize to the person you accused of lying?

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I thought you were against circumcision, you seem to be playing both sides.

When I see an argument that I believe may be flawed, I will dispute it. I am not arguing for either side.

no, she has made her share of bullshit claims as well

and understandable, but you sure sounded against it earlier in the thead

Proof I made bullshit claims, oh wisher of dead babies with whole penises?

...I haven't actually seen you prove that Ransom wished such upon those who would be circumcised. For all I know, and certainly according to Ransom, it is BS. sweatdrop

I am refering to a comment he made about my unborn son {at the time} He expressed, all with Chitsa Black, that rather than allow my son to be born and circumcised, they hoped I had no sons or at least ones that survived passed infancy, so that I wouldn't have the chance to 'mutilate' them.

This was in a thread that has been taken down or moved and I can not find.

[Mr Ransom 2]

I am a devout Christian and I put my hand to God that I never wished death on her children, I will swear on the Bible and my dead brothers grave, I would never say anything like that, in fact, I had a pm, I guess I have deleted it now, but she was talking nice to me and we sounded almost like friend, then she pulls this bullshit., I cannot believe she is accusing me of that, and now that she has called me an idiot, it time to put her on my ignore list, I think its for the best.

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Mr Ransom 2

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Maybe you ought to apologize to the person you accused of lying?



When I see an argument that I believe may be flawed, I will dispute it. I am not arguing for either side.

no, she has made her share of bullshit claims as well

and understandable, but you sure sounded against it earlier in the thead

Proof I made bullshit claims, oh wisher of dead babies with whole penises?

...I haven't actually seen you prove that Ransom wished such upon those who would be circumcised. For all I know, and certainly according to Ransom, it is BS. sweatdrop

I am refering to a comment he made about my unborn son {at the time} He expressed, all with Chitsa Black, that rather than allow my son to be born and circumcised, they hoped I had no sons or at least ones that survived passed infancy, so that I wouldn't have the chance to 'mutilate' them.

I knew your claim; it is what I was referring to.

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This was in a thread that has been taken down or moved and I can not find.

Maybe there's a chance you misinterpreted it? I certainly hope that is the case, at least.

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If it's such an important part of his heritage and his culture and his Jewishness then why are you doing it when he can't remember or make a choice.

What if he doesn't WANT to be Jewish when he grows up? Isn't the point of doing these religious practices to show your faith in your deity or your religion, etc?

If not, then why not simply let babies take communion?

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he that killed giants

Isn't the point of doing these religious practices to show your faith in your deity or your religion, etc?

If not, then why not simply let babies take communion?

I've never understood why baptism, first communion, and confirmation are separate events. Infant baptism makes absolutely no sense to me. They have no idea what's going on. It's like letting babies vote. But at least it's not actually taking something away from the child...painfully...

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gossamer!smile.

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gossamer!smile.

It's not a fallacy, it's a valid point that strikes at the heart of your argument.

You claim people should be allowed to carry on their religious rituals, regardless of what they are. i.e. sucking a d**k, getting a wooden pole rammed up your a**, and getting your p***s turtleneck sliced off.

So you also think other religious acts, like murders, child prostitution, etc, are okay- as long as they are religious.

If not, then you should understand why people are so against you mutilating infant boys.

No, that's not kosher.

So you admit you don't want religious freedom (which should be for everyone) you just want special treatment.

Religious freedom is fine and all, but it stops when it infringes on the freedom of someone else. Like ritual murders, child prostitution, and so on.

Why do you think your religion deserves special treatment?

Ritual murders and child prostitution =/ circumcision.

It's not the same thing, not even close.

Prove that claim. Prove that to those who follow those religions that it is NOT THE SAME.

Minor problem here- circumcision is a lot more like incestuous date rape than ritual murders or child prostitution.

Again, provide proof that to those who follow those religions, performing those acts are not the same to them as foreskin amputation is to Jews who believe it is necessary. Yes I left the remainder out because not a single bit of that is proof. It is merely your opinion trying to evade the request.

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Mr Ransom 2

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Mr Ransom 2

honestly, I cannot find anything that says you can or cant, but I am going to ask a doctor on this, but I don't see it as possible for a tumor to grow on something so thin

Wow new google record for me, only 15 seconds...Penile cancer

And it says right there and I quote: "Penile cancer starts in the skin of the p***s. Almost all (about 95%) penile cancers develop from flat skin cells called squamous cells. Squamous cell cancers can develop anywhere on the p***s. Most of these cancers are found on the foreskin (in men who have not been circumcised) or on the glans."

Ln2medicineresearch, or maybe Lrn2Google. Anyway, these are slow growing but there are fast growing types of cancers of the p***s(and note 95% are on the foreskin(though that doesn't warrant full removal)) But most likely it's a type of soft tissue cancer called a Sarcoma. A sarcoma effects any soft tissue from blood vessels to muscles. So he could a blood vessel sarcoma of any type.

I see nothing about at tumor in there, and I do not think cancer always requires a tumor, and circumcision does not help prevent cancer

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/aitken-swan1/
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/cervical_cancer_stmt2002.php
http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/acs/

You sir, are an idiot!
Ever Cancer begins with a tumor!
However, not all tumors are cancerous!
You have just proven you have little to no medical knowledge on the subject of penile deseases besides that of which has been given to you by bias sources.

The bold is ironic given the fact that the very posts you quoted states clearly that penile cancers do not start as tumors.

All cancers are tumors. Him claiming that a cancer doesn't always require one is foolish and blatantly wrong. Notice that all his quotes are from anti-cric websites and organizations? They are biased and false

Really? Then explain why Leukemia patients do not have tumors? Hmmmm?

No, the false information comes from doctors who are attempting to protect a billion dollar business. Claiming that removal of the foreskin will 'greatly reduce' HIV, despite the fact that the US has the highest number of cut men and the highest, or second highest, rate of HIV infections, which shows this to be a fallacious claim. The claim of UTI's is fallacious because they are caused by irregularities within urethra, not because of the foreskin. The claim that babies do not feel pain is also fallacious, yet those who support RIC claim they feel nothing both during and after the surgery. The American Cancer Society has refuted all claims of the foreskin causing HPV. If you do not begin having sex at a young age and do not have a multitude of partners you will not get HPV. So what fallacious claims have they made? Hmm?

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Mr Ransom 2

I see nothing about at tumor in there, and I do not think cancer always requires a tumor, and circumcision does not help prevent cancer

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/aitken-swan1/
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/cervical_cancer_stmt2002.php
http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/acs/

You sir, are an idiot!
Ever Cancer begins with a tumor!
However, not all tumors are cancerous!
You have just proven you have little to no medical knowledge on the subject of penile deseases besides that of which has been given to you by bias sources.

The bold is ironic given the fact that the very posts you quoted states clearly that penile cancers do not start as tumors.

All cancers are tumors. Him claiming that a cancer doesn't always require one is foolish and blatantly wrong. Notice that all his quotes are from anti-cric websites and organizations? They are biased and false

Really? Then explain why Leukemia patients do not have tumors? Hmmmm?

No, the false information comes from doctors who are attempting to protect a billion dollar business. Claiming that removal of the foreskin will 'greatly reduce' HIV, despite the fact that the US has the highest number of cut men and the highest, or second highest, rate of HIV infections, which shows this to be a fallacious claim. The claim of UTI's is fallacious because they are caused by irregularities within urethra, not because of the foreskin. The claim that babies do not feel pain is also fallacious, yet those who support RIC claim they feel nothing both during and after the surgery. The American Cancer Society has refuted all claims of the foreskin causing HPV. If you do not begin having sex at a young age and do not have a multitude of partners you will not get HPV. So what fallacious claims have they made? Hmm?

Well, the WHO did a study and found that circumcision had an effect on the rate of HIV, and I don't really consider them biased.

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Mr Ransom 2

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Maybe you ought to apologize to the person you accused of lying?



When I see an argument that I believe may be flawed, I will dispute it. I am not arguing for either side.

no, she has made her share of bullshit claims as well

and understandable, but you sure sounded against it earlier in the thead

Proof I made bullshit claims, oh wisher of dead babies with whole penises?

...I haven't actually seen you prove that Ransom wished such upon those who would be circumcised. For all I know, and certainly according to Ransom, it is BS. sweatdrop

I am refering to a comment he made about my unborn son {at the time} He expressed, all with Chitsa Black, that rather than allow my son to be born and circumcised, they hoped I had no sons or at least ones that survived passed infancy, so that I wouldn't have the chance to 'mutilate' them.

This was in a thread that has been taken down or moved and I can not find.

Actually, what I said was that I hoped you never had any sons to mutilate, and when you showed ZERO ******** COMPASSION for the ones who HAVE LOST A SON to circumcision, I stated 'As spiteful as it sounds I almost wish you'd be one of those unlucky ones, maybe then you'd learn to have some ******** compassion' because to you 300-500 infants dying didn't ******** matter a single bit. They were ******** insignificant to you because it wasn't thousands upon thousands of dead infants. Get your god damn facts straight.

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gossamer!smile.

So you admit you don't want religious freedom (which should be for everyone) you just want special treatment.

Religious freedom is fine and all, but it stops when it infringes on the freedom of someone else. Like ritual murders, child prostitution, and so on.

Why do you think your religion deserves special treatment?

Ritual murders and child prostitution =/ circumcision.

It's not the same thing, not even close.

Prove that claim. Prove that to those who follow those religions that it is NOT THE SAME.

Minor problem here- circumcision is a lot more like incestuous date rape than ritual murders or child prostitution.

Again, provide proof that to those who follow those religions, performing those acts are not the same to them as foreskin amputation is to Jews who believe it is necessary. Yes I left the remainder out because not a single bit of that is proof. It is merely your opinion trying to evade the request.

No, it was not opinion, it was logic. What of it was opinion? Does rape not hurt, and does circumcision not hurt? They were all comparisons, none of which were opinionated. (Except that very last part.)

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I see nothing about at tumor in there, and I do not think cancer always requires a tumor, and circumcision does not help prevent cancer

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/cancer/aitken-swan1/
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/cervical_cancer_stmt2002.php
http://www.fathermag.com/health/circ/acs/

You sir, are an idiot!
Ever Cancer begins with a tumor!
However, not all tumors are cancerous!
You have just proven you have little to no medical knowledge on the subject of penile deseases besides that of which has been given to you by bias sources.

The bold is ironic given the fact that the very posts you quoted states clearly that penile cancers do not start as tumors.

All cancers are tumors. Him claiming that a cancer doesn't always require one is foolish and blatantly wrong. Notice that all his quotes are from anti-cric websites and organizations? They are biased and false

Really? Then explain why Leukemia patients do not have tumors? Hmmmm?

No, the false information comes from doctors who are attempting to protect a billion dollar business. Claiming that removal of the foreskin will 'greatly reduce' HIV, despite the fact that the US has the highest number of cut men and the highest, or second highest, rate of HIV infections, which shows this to be a fallacious claim. The claim of UTI's is fallacious because they are caused by irregularities within urethra, not because of the foreskin. The claim that babies do not feel pain is also fallacious, yet those who support RIC claim they feel nothing both during and after the surgery. The American Cancer Society has refuted all claims of the foreskin causing HPV. If you do not begin having sex at a young age and do not have a multitude of partners you will not get HPV. So what fallacious claims have they made? Hmm?

Well, the WHO did a study and found that circumcision had an effect on the rate of HIV, and I don't really consider them biased.

Care to post the link to that? And I certainly hope it's not another 'done in Africa' study. I swear it seems like everyone thinks the entire world is a third world nation and that the entire world has the exact same culture, the lack of education, the lack of proper hygiene, and false beliefs such as having sex with a virgin will cure you of aids (hence the rampant issues with rape in Africa), that is prevalent in Africa.

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If it's such an important part of his heritage and his culture and his Jewishness then why are you doing it when he can't remember or make a choice.

I am amazed anyone can be so damn stupid. Maybe because choice isn't a part of the tradition and doesn't have s**t to do with it? What you're doing is applying concepts you believe in, choice being an important part of all such things, and randomly trying to apply it where it to a tradition, Jewish circumsicion, that doesn't value the choice. It's stupid and rather egotistical.

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gossamer!smile.

So you admit you don't want religious freedom (which should be for everyone) you just want special treatment.

Religious freedom is fine and all, but it stops when it infringes on the freedom of someone else. Like ritual murders, child prostitution, and so on.

Why do you think your religion deserves special treatment?

Ritual murders and child prostitution =/ circumcision.

It's not the same thing, not even close.

Prove that claim. Prove that to those who follow those religions that it is NOT THE SAME.

Minor problem here- circumcision is a lot more like incestuous date rape than ritual murders or child prostitution.

Again, provide proof that to those who follow those religions, performing those acts are not the same to them as foreskin amputation is to Jews who believe it is necessary. Yes I left the remainder out because not a single bit of that is proof. It is merely your opinion trying to evade the request.

No, it was not opinion, it was logic. What of it was opinion? Does rape not hurt, and does circumcision not hurt? They were all comparisons, none of which were opinionated. (Except that very last part.)

The comparisons had nothing to do with what was asked, so yeah, in a sense, it's all your opinion, not proof of the request she made. Not that I expect to see anyone provide any 'proof', just more of the same 'but but but, I dun know those religions so I dun care what they believe' type thing.

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gossamer!smile.

Chitsa Black

In Medias Res IV

Yes yes, I know there will be many militant people coming here to yell at those who circumcise their baby boys, but religious circumcision is a tradition that MUST be preserved.

Only if you're also going to uphold ALL OTHER RELIGIOUS ACTS regardless of how much you might think they're 'wrong'. This includes Frostian pagans getting their children drunk and offering them up to their neighbors for sex, Thuggee Kali committing religious murder, and all forms of female circumcision, no matter how damaging.

Media, please respond to this.

This is a fallacy. How would I personally even know of these other religious acts?
The only ones I care about pertain to Judaism.

There is no fallacy involved here. It doesn't matter if you personally know of them. If you refuse to support all other religious acts then you are a hypocrite as you only believe that the Jewish religion should be allowed to do whatever it wishes, as if it is somehow special when it is no more special than Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other religion.

Really, will people stop raging and actually THINK? How the ******** is she a hypocrite just because YOU believe the Jewish religion is no more special than any others? She may not believe it and you certainly have failed to prove your claim thus far.