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Yes yes, I know there will be many militant people coming here to yell at those who circumcise their baby boys, but religious circumcision is a tradition that MUST be preserved.

To the Jewish nation circumcision is one of the most important rituals in a Jewish boy's life.
It is a reminder of his heritage, his culture, and most important, his Jewishness.

The bris milah is a reminder of the relationship between G-d and Man, G-d and Abraham.

You may argue "what if he doesn't want to be Jewish anymore?", the fact remains that if your mother is a Jew, you are a JEW, always and forever.

A bris is almost painless

A common misconception is that the baby experiences a great deal of pain from circumcision. In truth, the performance of ritual circumcision is almost painless for the child. The way circumcision is practiced in most hospitals today includes using a Gamco clamp to crush the skin and seal the blood vessels, providing an almost bloodless circumcision but with great pain to the infant.

Ritual circumcision, on the other hand, is performed using a finely honed blade of surgical steel (like a scalpel) and a non-constricting guard which is placed over the foreskin. The procedure involves the removal of a small piece of skin – no flesh or muscle is cut at all!

The statement that circumcision is almost painless to the child is not made lightly. Indeed, an adult who once underwent circumcision while the local anesthetic had not taken effect (this occurs in very rare cases when the patient is immune to the anesthesia) experienced absolutely no pain from the circumcision itself. In fact, after the circumcision was completed, he inquired as to when the procedure would begin. It was only when the attending surgeon attempted to tie off the blood vessels and to suture the skin that the patient made it known in a most vocal manner that the anesthetic had not taken. Since a newborn does not require sutures, nor does he need blood vessels to be tied, he does not experience this pain. In addition, it should be noted that the nerves in a newborn of eight days are not fully developed.

On another occasion, a highly experienced mohel was supervising a student performing a circumcision. The mohel was holding the infant on his lap during the procedure (he was the sandek). The student performed a perfect circumcision, and as he was about to close the diaper after completing the dressing, the mohel noticed some blood on the diaper. Concerned that the dressing had not contained the bleeding, he reopened the diaper. The dressing was neatly in place and there was no bleeding.

Puzzled, he once again closed the diaper and was surprised to find additional blood on the outside. It was only at this point that the mohel discovered that the student had inadvertently cut the mohel’s finger during the procedure. The cut was all the way to the bone and yet the mohel had not felt a thing. If a deep wound to the bone did not cause any pain in an adult, certainly a superficial skin cut with the same instrument should not cause any pain in a newborn – especially since the nerves in a newborn are not fully developed.

If this true, why does the infant cry? A newborn will tend to cry as soon as his diaper is opened and he is uncovered. This may be due to a need to feel enclosed or merely because he is feeling cold. If one pays careful attention, one will see that the baby starts to cry before any procedure has actually been performed. Notice, also, that the infant stops crying shortly after the procedure has been completed, and then usually falls asleep. Any discomfort experienced by the infant afterwards is due to the dressing on the wound, which feels foreign to him.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/144128/jewish/Almost-Painless.htm

Harms no one, is a positive mitzvah, leave us alone.

Let us circumcise our boys. Let us maintain this beautiful covenant.

Why must you rant and rave about us being child abusers?
Why must you rant and rave about us mutilating our children?
Why must we automatically be morons for keeping our traditions?
In Medias Res IV
You may argue "what if he doesn't want to be Jewish anymore?", the fact remains that if your mother is a Jew, you are a JEW, always and forever.

According to scripture. neutral
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BUT I CAN'T BE A MAN WITHOUT MY VESTIGIAL FLAP OF SKIN! MY ENTIRE MACHISMO IS WRAPPED UP INTO IT AND ANY OF MY FUTURE SONS, AND IF I OR HE DON'T HAVE IT, WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO FEEL THE VELVETY WALLS OF THE v****a!
Relaxant
In Medias Res IV
You may argue "what if he doesn't want to be Jewish anymore?", the fact remains that if your mother is a Jew, you are a JEW, always and forever.

According to scripture. neutral


Halacha is much more than just religious texts. Israel lives under it. It's LAW.
Res, I can see where your argument is. It makes sense.

However, your statement about his mother being a Jew thus he is, it's not an appeal to religion. It's an appeal to culture. Yes in the case of Judaism and Jews, religion, culture, and ethnicity is intertwined, but they can also be separated.
Appel Juice
BUT I CAN'T BE A MAN WITHOUT MY VESTIGIAL FLAP OF SKIN! MY ENTIRE MACHISMO IS WRAPPED UP INTO IT AND ANY OF MY FUTURE SONS, AND IF I OR HE DON'T HAVE IT, WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO FEEL THE VELVETY WALLS OF THE v****a!


No, you got it wrong. Without your flap of skin, you will forever be mutilated and have a malfunctioning p***s.
True Colours of Destiny
Res, I can see where your argument is. It makes sense.

However, your statement about his mother being a Jew thus he is, it's not an appeal to religion. It's an appeal to culture. Yes in the case of Judaism and Jews, religion, culture, and ethnicity is intertwined, but they can also be separated.


Oh, I know. You can be an atheist Jew, secular Jew, whatever. It still remains that you're a Jew, you're just not bound by Judaism, but, as such, you're still going to be circumcised and most likely feel a connection with Jewish tradition.
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The idea that you should be able to alter someone else's genitalia because of your personal religious beliefs is absolutely absurd.

It's not your body. Children aren't property.
Maybe you can explain why circumcision is SO important that it can't wait until a boy can consent, or be replaced with something similar?

Also...your thoughts on metzitzah b'peh? Explain why it's totally different from child molestation?
Even if it's not religious, circumcision makes for a much cleaner p***s, what with how lazy boys are with showering.
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The idea that you should be able to alter someone else's genitalia because of your personal religious beliefs is absolutely absurd.

It's not your body. Children aren't property.


But it's for the parents to decide what's best for them until their 18.
Archaeoptryx
Even if it's not religious, circumcision makes for a much cleaner p***s, what with how lazy boys are with showering.

I know! I rarely wash my feet.
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In Medias Res IV
True Colours of Destiny
Res, I can see where your argument is. It makes sense.

However, your statement about his mother being a Jew thus he is, it's not an appeal to religion. It's an appeal to culture. Yes in the case of Judaism and Jews, religion, culture, and ethnicity is intertwined, but they can also be separated.


Oh, I know. You can be an atheist Jew, secular Jew, whatever. It still remains that you're a Jew, you're just not bound by Judaism, but, as such, you're still going to be circumcised and most likely feel a connection with Jewish tradition.


Right... Judaism is not just a religion. There is a group of people that are Jews, no matter their religion... does this make sense? Like someone can be Greek without believing in Zeus. Get it?
La Veuve Zin
Maybe you can explain why circumcision is SO important that it can't wait until a boy can consent, or be replaced with something similar?

Also...your thoughts on metzitzah b'peh? Explain why it's totally different from child molestation?


That's rarely practised today and it's not child molestation. It's not a sexual practise, I mean, there's no sexual gratification in performing it.
PhaedraMcSpiffy
It's not your body. Children aren't property.


I agree and will be quoting this if I ever--god forbid--end up in another abortion debate. biggrin

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