Rape vs Murder

[shae the messanger demon]

sometimes when rape happens your killed anyway

[liasont_90]

Rosetta Celestine

Spiltz

OneWithDunamis

Spiltz

I'd rather be raped than killed :O

But yeah, people are just horrified of sex.

You're just a growing boy, that's why you say that.

Which part?

Aw, you're so adorable I just might rape you. heart

and then you get people like this who just joke about it. The populace is completely deadened, I hear people all the time, "Im going to rape you... Im going to kill you." Everyone is so used to hearing it in the normal media, seeing it play through on movies and get away with it.. one good example:

http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11539110

I live in Missouri... its STILL on the news. The 15 year old went on to say that she did it "because she just wanted to know what it felt like." Eye for an eye I say. Shes a dog... and she needs to be put down.

ps. no offense to you rosetta celestine... I just think maybe putting you were going to rape someone in an post where were all talking about how bad rape is was a foolish idea.

[Prince Yasui Erikai]

Well, if you think about it, there are all kinds of movies with different things (or people) killing. Dolls, young children, ghost, demons, men, women, God, Lucifer, Angels, disease, vampires, mutated animals.. The list goes on. However, rape is usually looked at as a male forcing a female to have sex. If it was a female forcing a male or female, I don't think anyone would have too much of a problem with it.

[Foxglow]

My personal view is that murder doesn't affect you once its over. You're dead. It's harrowing and dreadful for your family, but you don't care because you're gone.

Rape, however, is something that has to be lived with by the person until they die.

[B4T]

Cuban

How is surrendering of the body more offensive than extinguishing a life?

I recently had a short debate regarding the movie "Irreversible", a very psycho-violent French flick starring Monica Bellucci ending with her raped for 20 minutes. (Yeah, they showed it).

More comments leaned towards how awful the idea. The morality. That viewers walked out of the theater once anticipating the scene. I wasn't moved.

I raised that we can sit through mind-numbing hours of murders & suicides. Shot up, cut up, strangled, burned alive, you name it. It's in our screens & literature. Saw's a big hit; on the 6th movie, right? That's cool & encouraged! A violent act leading to murder can be simulated & witnessed without controversy. Why not rape? Murder lost its seriousness. I would think they'd be of equal concern.

My take? I don't think it's a moral issue- that would encourage a double-standard. I plainly believe we're used to it. Violence appears more than sex on screen maybe? Perhaps we need as frequent rape scenes to grow accustomed.

You tell me.

I believe people are more disturbed by rape because a greater portion of the population enjoys doing it.

Even for those of us detested by it and who disapprove of it and would not do it, it still appeals to a greater portion of us than murder in many cases.

In the case of this film: it's serious and realistic. Horror films have somewhat of a comedic and detached aspect, and Saw in particular has a sort of 'they deserved it' aspect to it, as do things like Friday the 13th.

[Reverb Song]

Murder.

[Magically Musical Mexican]

I think that rape in this culture is considered worse than murder because it is a violation of your personal rights and space and individuality. I know I would rather be killed than raped, but I am biased.

[twilightwyrm]

This is primarily because rape has never been near as justifiable in human society as murder. I can think of a million and one quasi-legitimate justifications for murder. Furthermore, murder results in death, which has been a significant aspect of any human society for at long as this species exists. Whether from storms, or pestilence, or warfare, or by some other species, death has always been apart of our society. It is therefore not as shocking to see or contemplate a person die by the hand of another person, since the only difference is that person is being killed by another person rather than, say, the cold, or the heat, or bubonic plague. Rape is different. You do not get raped by tigers or wolves, by fire or water, by the heat or the cold, or by pestilence. Rape only ever occurs as a result of one person's action upon another. It leaves scars, both physical and emotional, that the victim will have to live with for the rest of their life, scars that cannot simply be written off as misfortune. Even theft or burglary can be said to occur "naturally", as I'm sure you will agree when rabbits raid a farmer's crops or a bear breaks in to your tent or cabin and takes what it will before you return to find it in ruins. Rape does not occur as such. Perhaps it is because of this that we can more easily witness or even understand murder, since death is a more common, unavoidable even, aspect of human society. Rape, to put it plainly, is not.

[Akhenaton of man]

Prince Yasui Erikai

Well, if you think about it, there are all kinds of movies with different things (or people) killing. Dolls, young children, ghost, demons, men, women, God, Lucifer, Angels, disease, vampires, mutated animals.. The list goes on. However, rape is usually looked at as a male forcing a female to have sex. If it was a female forcing a male or female, I don't think anyone would have too much of a problem with it.

When that happens, it's called BDSM

[twilightwyrm]

Prince Yasui Erikai

Well, if you think about it, there are all kinds of movies with different things (or people) killing. Dolls, young children, ghost, demons, men, women, God, Lucifer, Angels, disease, vampires, mutated animals.. The list goes on. However, rape is usually looked at as a male forcing a female to have sex. If it was a female forcing a male or female, I don't think anyone would have too much of a problem with it.

And that's a bit of a problem, now isn't it?

[Magically Musical Mexican]

Prince Yasui Erikai

Well, if you think about it, there are all kinds of movies with different things (or people) killing. Dolls, young children, ghost, demons, men, women, God, Lucifer, Angels, disease, vampires, mutated animals.. The list goes on. However, rape is usually looked at as a male forcing a female to have sex. If it was a female forcing a male or female, I don't think anyone would have too much of a problem with it.

There is actually a movie called Jaded which is about female on female sexual violence. It was controversial in it's time. Jaded.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Cuban

How is surrendering of the body more offensive than extinguishing a life?

I recently had a short debate regarding the movie "Irreversible", a very psycho-violent French flick starring Monica Bellucci ending with her raped for 20 minutes. (Yeah, they showed it).

More comments leaned towards how awful the idea. The morality. That viewers walked out of the theater once anticipating the scene. I wasn't moved.

I raised that we can sit through mind-numbing hours of murders & suicides. Shot up, cut up, strangled, burned alive, you name it. It's in our screens & literature. Saw's a big hit; on the 6th movie, right? That's cool & encouraged! A violent act leading to murder can be simulated & witnessed without controversy. Why not rape? Murder lost its seriousness. I would think they'd be of equal concern.

My take? I don't think it's a moral issue- that would encourage a double-standard. I plainly believe we're used to it. Violence appears more than sex on screen maybe? Perhaps we need as frequent rape scenes to grow accustomed.

You tell me.

On this matter, I agree. If one is so offensive as to cause you to walk out, then I should think a beheading or some violent stabbing assault would be the same. I suppose however that we might more readily be able to justify a murder than a rape, and that is what makes the one more viscerally charged than another. Even in the film Saw, one can at the very least get a sense of a motive behind his crimes that can have its redeeming elements to some. I dont think this is so easily done with the act of rape.

[TheSilverNoble]

I think it's because sometimes murder and violence can be justified. Those that commit such acts, even in the movies, usually have some justification one can understand. And while their motives may not always excuse them, as I said, we can at least understand.

Take Saw for example. As I understand, the killer is usually punishing someone, trying to teach them some kind of lesson. And while he may be doing so in a horrific manner, we can see how someone with a twisted mind could see how many of those people "deserve it."

No such justification can exist for rape.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

TheSilverNoble

I think it's because sometimes murder and violence can be justified. Those that commit such acts, even in the movies, usually have some justification one can understand. And while their motives may not always excuse them, as I said, we can at least understand.

Take Saw for example. As I understand, the killer is usually punishing someone, trying to teach them some kind of lesson. And while he may be doing so in a horrific manner, we can see how someone with a twisted mind could see how many of those people "deserve it."

No such justification can exist for rape.

I think a justification could exist, but it would be a poor one and certainly one that many people would not be able to grasp, and rightly so.

[TheSilverNoble]

Riviera de la Mancha

TheSilverNoble

I think it's because sometimes murder and violence can be justified. Those that commit such acts, even in the movies, usually have some justification one can understand. And while their motives may not always excuse them, as I said, we can at least understand.

Take Saw for example. As I understand, the killer is usually punishing someone, trying to teach them some kind of lesson. And while he may be doing so in a horrific manner, we can see how someone with a twisted mind could see how many of those people "deserve it."

No such justification can exist for rape.

I think a justification could exist, but it would be a poor one and certainly one that many people would not be able to grasp, and rightly so.

Well I think most will have some kind justification, (she really wanted it, etc), and some may even believe them. But most of the time I think it will boil down to they wanted it and they didn't care.
I don't accept that as a real justification.