Racist or nationalist

[Victi Vincimus]

Professor Indiana Jones

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Spatterdash

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Nines19

nancy Rogers

If you're gonna come to my country, speak the language unless you plan on being a tourist. Otherwise, get the hell out, or learn the language! if we went to mexico they would expect us to speak Spanish, so they should speak english here!

However, the US has no nationally declared official language.
And miss, we don't speak Gaelic here, get it out of your sig. eek

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And Till.

Hyphenated Americans criticizing the American-ness of immigrants is close to endless lulz.

It always makes me burst into laughter when Americans b***h about immigration. Unless you're Native American, you've got no right, really. And heck, without immigration, the US would still be rolling plains, deserts and mountains inhabited by nomadic tribes, instead of the world's most powerful nation. (Not that that justifies the shitty way the Native Americans were treated, but go with me here.)

Of course, trace it far enough back and we're all immigrants. Being largely of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, like most white British people, I should ******** off back to Germany and leave this country to the Celts. And they should get back into Europe. And the Europeans should retreat and leave their continent to the Neanderthals, and so on and so forth until we're back where we started, on some unknown plain in Africa. But I think that'd be overdoing it, just to prove a point.

I would prefer rolling plains, deserts and mountains inhabited by nomadic tribes.

Honestly.

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Oregon_Trail_You_Have_Died_of_Dysentery-T-link.jpg

Oh ********, I knew I should have started as a banker.

[Spatterdash]

Professor Indiana Jones

Victi Vincimus

I would prefer rolling plains, deserts and mountains inhabited by nomadic tribes.

Honestly.

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Oregon_Trail_You_Have_Died_of_Dysentery-T-link.jpg

Oh yeah, the US was probably a nicer place before the pioneers and their unfortunate ideas about 'manifest destiny' came along, in some ways. But the same people who complain the loudest about immigration are generally the same people who'd hate the idea of their country not being considered terribly, terribly important.

And as the good professor pointed out, being in a wagon dying of dysentry kinda sucks.

(Also, I now have a horrible longing to go download an emulator and play Nifty Lifty. I miss the days of 16k gaming.)

[Victi Vincimus]

Spatterdash

Professor Indiana Jones

Victi Vincimus

I would prefer rolling plains, deserts and mountains inhabited by nomadic tribes.

Honestly.

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Oregon_Trail_You_Have_Died_of_Dysentery-T-link.jpg

Oh yeah, the US was probably a nicer place before the pioneers and their unfortunate ideas about 'manifest destiny' came along, in some ways. But the same people who complain the loudest about immigration are generally the same people who'd hate the idea of their country not being considered terribly, terribly important.

And as the good professor pointed out, being in a wagon dying of dysentry kinda sucks.

(Also, I now have a horrible longing to go download an emulator and play Nifty Lifty. I miss the days of 16k gaming.)

I would have preferred a quiet life in what would eventually be the Dakotas, free of the white man's disease. I don't care if the Americas stop being important, I want to live in the middle of nothing.

No dysentery, Lakota do not s**t where they eat.

[CTFarnham]

Spatterdash

Victi Vincimus

Nines19

nancy Rogers

If you're gonna come to my country, speak the language unless you plan on being a tourist. Otherwise, get the hell out, or learn the language! if we went to mexico they would expect us to speak Spanish, so they should speak english here!

However, the US has no nationally declared official language.
And miss, we don't speak Gaelic here, get it out of your sig. eek

This post brought to you by Kellogg's Rice Krispies.
And Till.

Hyphenated Americans criticizing the American-ness of immigrants is close to endless lulz.

It always makes me burst into laughter when Americans b***h about immigration. Unless you're Native American, you've got no right, really. And heck, without immigration, the US would still be rolling plains, deserts and mountains inhabited by nomadic tribes, instead of the world's most powerful nation. (Not that that justifies the shitty way the Native Americans were treated, but go with me here.)

Of course, trace it far enough back and we're all immigrants. Being largely of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, like most white British people, I should ******** off back to Germany and leave this country to the Celts. And they should get back into Europe. And the Europeans should retreat and leave their continent to the Neanderthals, and so on and so forth until we're back where we started, on some unknown plain in Africa. But I think that'd be overdoing it, just to prove a point.

All of which kind of invalidates the whole "You stole the land from the natives!" gambit, doesn't it? I absolutely agree that the Native Americans were treated like s**t but the reason they did so badly was technology: a Neolithic culture against 17th century Europe loses in the long run. Nor can it be said that the Native American tribes weren't perfectly happy to drive their neighbors out of the best lands whenever they had the chance. Do you imagine that they wanted European guns and steel only because they made hunting easier?

Oh, and bummer about the dysentery. Next time, boil the water a good long time.

[CTFarnham]

Victi Vincimus

Spatterdash

Professor Indiana Jones

Victi Vincimus

I would prefer rolling plains, deserts and mountains inhabited by nomadic tribes.

Honestly.

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Oregon_Trail_You_Have_Died_of_Dysentery-T-link.jpg

Oh yeah, the US was probably a nicer place before the pioneers and their unfortunate ideas about 'manifest destiny' came along, in some ways. But the same people who complain the loudest about immigration are generally the same people who'd hate the idea of their country not being considered terribly, terribly important.

And as the good professor pointed out, being in a wagon dying of dysentry kinda sucks.

(Also, I now have a horrible longing to go download an emulator and play Nifty Lifty. I miss the days of 16k gaming.)

I would have preferred a quiet life in what would eventually be the Dakotas, free of the white man's disease. I don't care if the Americas stop being important, I want to live in the middle of nothing.

No dysentery, Lakota do not s**t where they eat.

Well, the population in large parts of the Dakotas has fallen to the point where they meet the Interior Department's definition of frontier, so you might look into land prices. Of course, the problem with the Great Plains is, you get those large, really cold air masses sweeping down out of Canada.

[Spatterdash]

DeeFarnham

All of which kind of invalidates the whole "You stole the land from the natives!" gambit, doesn't it? I absolutely agree that the Native Americans were treated like s**t but the reason they did so badly was technology: a Neolithic culture against 17th century Europe loses in the long run. Nor can it be said that the Native American tribes weren't perfectly happy to drive their neighbors out of the best lands whenever they had the chance. Do you imagine that they wanted European guns and steel only because they made hunting easier?

Well, yeah, true, the natives were immigrants too, albeit ones that had been there much longer. At least they didn't actually claim to 'own' the land or anything.
But I'm not naive enough to believe they were all hippy-dippy saints at one with nature and all morally superior to those nasty white men. Vicious buggers, a lot of 'em, and even if the pioneers hadn't been so determined to get rid of them, I imagine the culture wouldn't have survived all that long in the face of superior technology.

[Fru_bie4545]

Rashico

But...you still don't like having foreign people in your country, and they're only ok if they're not in your country? Yeah, no, you're pretty racist.

I don't mind having foriegn people in my country i just don't like having foriegn people in my country to stay pernamently and not learning the native language. Clothes is down to religious believes which i fully respect.

[twIZtIdseX20]

Jera Arrows

nancy Rogers

If you're gonna come to my country, speak the language unless you plan on being a tourist. Otherwise, get the hell out, or learn the language! if we went to mexico they would expect us to speak Spanish, so they should speak english here!

But America is a country where you can be free to speak whatever language you want.

True It would not hurt for everyone to speak a little english but no need to be so closeminded about others, you could always learn their language as well...

Okay well I don't want to sound mean or anything.. b/c honestly I could careless about who comes here, but this is America...which was raised on the English language...if you live here...you need to learn it, live, and love it...b/c if I do go to another country they would expect you to speak their language as she pointed out. So yea it s free fine..yes it free, but I still think while you are here you need to speak a language everyone understands... I shouldn't have to learn another language just to make other people feel comfortable...which I am sure thats what alot of immigrants say when they come here...so I expect them to not say a word to me if I don't understand me..and the same way for them

[x3 SuGarr CoOkiie]

When you go to visit other countries you do not have to speak their language, why should it bother you when others come in and speak their native language? Would you be offended just the same if an American went to England to live and spoke American English-their native tounge? It's just the same, except you would just understand more words.

Natural heritage and custom comes from within and is passed down from family member to family member, it's not something that can just die due to a couple of foreginers coming to your homeland and simply, speaking their own language.

You say it bothers you when your friends "do not behave like English people". How exactly do you define the actions of a typical Englishman/woman? How could you define such a thing? A persons' actions are that of their own and they will act as they would. It's not the country that makes them act a certain way.
We all, after all do have minds of our own.

[Kemeoth_Othyre]

In my experience, they go hand and hand, but I am sure exceptions exist.

[Rao the Zen Android]

twiztidlove20

Jera Arrows

nancy Rogers

If you're gonna come to my country, speak the language unless you plan on being a tourist. Otherwise, get the hell out, or learn the language! if we went to mexico they would expect us to speak Spanish, so they should speak english here!

But America is a country where you can be free to speak whatever language you want.

True It would not hurt for everyone to speak a little english but no need to be so closeminded about others, you could always learn their language as well...

Okay well I don't want to sound mean or anything.. b/c honestly I could careless about who comes here, but this is America...which was raised on the English language...if you live here...you need to learn it, live, and love it...b/c if I do go to another country they would expect you to speak their language as she pointed out. So yea it s free fine..yes it free, but I still think while you are here you need to speak a language everyone understands... I shouldn't have to learn another language just to make other people feel comfortable...which I am sure thats what alot of immigrants say when they come here...so I expect them to not say a word to me if I don't understand me..and the same way for them

You will never hold a job.

[Fru_bie4545]

x3 SuGarr CoOkiie

When you go to visit other countries you do not have to speak their language, why should it bother you when others come in and speak their native language? Would you be offended just the same if an American went to England to live and spoke American English-their native tounge? It's just the same, except you would just understand more words.

Natural heritage and custom comes from within and is passed down from family member to family member, it's not something that can just die due to a couple of foreginers coming to your homeland and simply, speaking their own language.

You say it bothers you when your friends "do not behave like English people". How exactly do you define the actions of a typical Englishman/woman? How could you define such a thing? A persons' actions are that of their own and they will act as they would. It's not the country that makes them act a certain way.
We all, after all do have minds of our own.

I said i doesn't matter if their tourists its when they come to LIVE in england pernamently. Thats the problem you can't define and english women because it doesn't exsist anymore.

[dotanuki]

Fru_bie4545

Okay to start out i have nothing against any race i think we are ALL EQUAL but i do have an issue with foriegn people coming and living in my country and speaking their own language all the time. I feel that all the differnt natinalitys are destroying my countrys natural heritage. I have friends who arn't english who are lovely people but it does bother me when they don't behave like english people when they live here. If we go out there we have to follow their customs so why don't they follow ours? I don't think the olden days when other races were forced to be slaves is right because were all equal. I would like to hear your thoughts on this matter.

I think they should have to speak english, as well, but I don't think they should be barred from speaking their own language in their home. English should be used in business, but we should also be as gracious when in another country to know their language, or at least make an attempt, lest we look stereotypically ignorant as Americans.

[Spatterdash]

Fru_bie4545

I said i doesn't matter if their tourists its when they come to LIVE in england pernamently. Thats the problem you can't define and english women because it doesn't exsist anymore.

Of course you can define Englishman/woman, albeit only in a very vague way - it's a state of mind. If you regard yourself as one, you are (with some qualifiers - it would be somewhat preposterous if you'd never been to England in your life). I imagine immigrants who either voluntarily or involuntarily end up shut off from the society around them do not regard themselves in that way, and in some cases, their offspring may not either (or, conversely, their offspring do, and that causes conflict with their parents; multiple national identities are an interesting issue).
And let's face it, being English encompasses a huge range of activities and behaviours. There's as much diversity within our 'native' population, generally based on class and region, as there is between British-born people and immigrants.
Though the concept of being an Englishman or woman isn't quite the same as being British, what with England not being an independent country. But to my mind, if you have British citizenship, that makes you British. That's good enough for me.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Fru_bie4545

Okay to start out i have nothing against any race i think we are ALL EQUAL but i do have an issue with foriegn people coming and living in my country and speaking their own language all the time. I feel that all the differnt natinalitys are destroying my countrys natural heritage. I have friends who arn't english who are lovely people but it does bother me when they don't behave like english people when they live here. If we go out there we have to follow their customs so why don't they follow ours? I don't think the olden days when other races were forced to be slaves is right because were all equal. I would like to hear your thoughts on this matter.

What American heritage? Minority culture and custom is just as much apart of American society since it was created as the anglo-saxon tradition, so why should I cow tow to the will of the white masses who are ignorant of history?