Racial Curiosity

[Mathematical Trickery]

Osamas Informer

how about you check your p***s size that should be more reliable then asian DNA testing.

QFE rofl

[Paramedico]

This begins with a wildly inappropriate misunderstanding of genetics, and ends with someone looking silly...

[0Circe0]

Nano Charat

firstly, weabos are those assholes that run around screaming random words in Japanese.
Secondly, i have had my DNA tested. I WOULD KNOW WHAT THE ******** I AM PEOPLE.
Thirdly, you're a bunch of morons if you can't figure out what question I'm asking.
Fourthly, I'm not jewish at all, but my best friend is.
Fifthly, I wanted to know more about the German-Asian culture, not to have you people trolling in my thread.

Thanks alot *cough*
and really, try getting a brain before you bother me with your unnecessary comments. rolleyes

Look kid. I know you're feeling a little attacked at the moment because people are doubting the hypothesis you created about your origins and culture, that's normal. It's alright. Just bloody breath for a second. Seriously. Now, their points have been:

1) Having dark hair and non-clear eyes is a dominant trait and therefore not necessarily originating from Japanese (it has been suggested you could be of jewish ancestry, and I would gamble you could be of Spanish or french ancestry too if we're going to start attributing physical appearances to cultures)

You counter-argue this by saying you have had your DNA tested. Great. Yey for you. There you go.

However the fact that you may have Japanese ancestry and that this explains your hair color, DOES NOT necessarily mean everyone's case is the same. My point is, not all dark haired Germans have Asian background genes.

2) There is no German-Asian Culture.

You don't really seem to have a counter argument for this one.

I mean, you could say such a culture existed if you lived in both cultures during your entire life but it would have to be... not a choice, because then you would be linking yourself to something that isn't yours. It would have to be a natural blend within you. This 'blend' would be unique and it would be impossible to apply it to a group of people because the halfway mark that is the 'blend' would be severely different for everyone. Either way, culture means collectivity of people so in a way... i can't even agree that that 'blend' counts either.

I'm half british half colombian (latino america). Trust me. I know what I'm talking about.

I'm afraid to say it is impossible to agree that you are however, member of your own German-Asian culture because if you have been born and raised in Germany only, and only have genes to link to Japan, then you are part of the German culture.

You always will be.

Never, no matter if you go and live in Japan and trace your distant family, will you be part of the Japanese culture. You can try to imitate it. You can try to blend in with it, but you have to understand it will never be yours.

ANWAY, the purpose of everyone who's given a serious reply up till now wasn't to annoy you (as you seem to think) but you're asking a question based on "facts" that can be doubted. That's the problem. People are just pointing them out.

So.... sorry if this sounded harsh at all, but I was trying to clear up the mess. XD Good luck

[Yaminon]

Are you even from GERMANY?

You sound like a pretty typical white American kid to me.

But what the ******** is wrong with that?

I'm so sick of people not getting the nationality thing. If you were born and raised in America... guess what? YOU'RE AMERICAN. Congratulations. You're not German or Irish or Japanese. You can have ancestry from those countries, but that does not make you a part of their culture nor does it make your nationality anything but American. FFS.

You know what? My dad's side of the family has recent ancestry from Ireland & Germany. My mom's side of the family has recent ancestry from Belarus & Poland. But I'm ******** American. And you know what else? I am immigrating to Australia. BUT HEY.

GUESS WHAT.

STILL RAISED IN AMERICAN CULTURE.


AHHH. D:

[AxeSlayerMiyavi]

Only on the internet could Black Germans become Japanese.

[veren enkeli]

Interesting. I knew a Chinese german once.
Geneology is interesting - just do your personal history and speculate more.

[Mostly confused]

Nano Charat

Well, I'm a German Japanese. I've done my research, and apparently Germany and Japan were together from the 1600's until about 1868~ So I'm sure I'm a Japanese aswell. (If not, then why do I look like a pure asian that dyed her hair copper?)

All of my German ancestry are "Black Germans." (Germans who have Black hair and various eye colors besides blue.) In Germany, until they started trading with Japan, Black haired Germans were unheard of. Blonde hair, blue eyes, ect ect.

I know Black Germans have Japanese Genes...but I wish I knew more about it. Oh, same with the Dutch, they also have Dutch-Asians.

I wish to learn more about my German Japanese heritage. Could anyone fill me in?

No flaming. :/

I'm quoting the OP because I wish for people to re-read it so they don't make tits of themselves when they post.

firstly she mentions nothing about the culture, she has noted that Japan had a connection, most likley colonial or trading with germany, and gives very exact dates.

Secondly I'm tired of americans thinking european cultures grew up in isolation, we didn't we mixed with the east a lot, thats what caused things like hong-kong, india. At one point the UK owned half the middle east. It is definetly possible that she is of part asian descent.
And i'm tired of americans telling people they must stick to their own culture, we live in a global society these culture are exported by the people of those countries to us, and we in turn export our culture to them. We have being adopting other global cultures for centuries, the only time it might be an issue is when the culture is closed, and with the amount of stuff exported from japan that we are exposed to in the west, ie I can go watch a myazaki film at the cinema, go for lunch at a sushi bar, drive in my suzuki to my zen meditation class, then go home read the latest shonen jumo, rounding off the day playing final fantasy on my sony playstation. whilst chowing down on some noodle soup.

Its being done since antiquity smile

[Yaminon]

Mostly confused

Nano Charat

Well, I'm a German Japanese. I've done my research, and apparently Germany and Japan were together from the 1600's until about 1868~ So I'm sure I'm a Japanese aswell. (If not, then why do I look like a pure asian that dyed her hair copper?)

All of my German ancestry are "Black Germans." (Germans who have Black hair and various eye colors besides blue.) In Germany, until they started trading with Japan, Black haired Germans were unheard of. Blonde hair, blue eyes, ect ect.

I know Black Germans have Japanese Genes...but I wish I knew more about it. Oh, same with the Dutch, they also have Dutch-Asians.

I wish to learn more about my German Japanese heritage. Could anyone fill me in?

No flaming. :/

I'm quoting the OP because I wish for people to re-read it so they don't make tits of themselves when they post.

firstly she mentions nothing about the culture, she has noted that Japan had a connection, most likley colonial or trading with germany, and gives very exact dates.

Secondly I'm tired of americans thinking european cultures grew up in isolation, we didn't we mixed with the east a lot, thats what caused things like hong-kong, india. At one point the UK owned half the middle east. It is definetly possible that she is of part asian descent.
And i'm tired of americans telling people they must stick to their own culture, we live in a global society these culture are exported by the people of those countries to us, and we in turn export our culture to them. We have being adopting other global cultures for centuries, the only time it might be an issue is when the culture is closed, and with the amount of stuff exported from japan that we are exposed to in the west, ie I can go watch a myazaki film at the cinema, go for lunch at a sushi bar, drive in my suzuki to my zen meditation class, then go home read the latest shonen jumo, rounding off the day playing final fantasy on my sony playstation. whilst chowing down on some noodle soup.

Its being done since antiquity smile

You're completely misunderstanding the concept of cultural identification. Unless you are submerged and raised within a culture you really cannot truly be part of it. Simple awareness of differing cultures does not make one a part of it.

Being raised in different cultures changes your perspective. It changes the way you view the world. Your morals, your opinions, your perspectives are all subject to the culture in which you were raised. There are sub-cultures that further compound upon this, but no matter how much you research and learn about Japanese culture you cannot experience nor emulate what it is like. It's simply impossible.

Even being raised in a culture and moving into another one does not change the imprint your culture put on you. You simply are not going to view the world in the same way. The same standards and ideas will not have been impressed on you.

[Mostly confused]

Yaminon

Mostly confused

Nano Charat

Well, I'm a German Japanese. I've done my research, and apparently Germany and Japan were together from the 1600's until about 1868~ So I'm sure I'm a Japanese aswell. (If not, then why do I look like a pure asian that dyed her hair copper?)

All of my German ancestry are "Black Germans." (Germans who have Black hair and various eye colors besides blue.) In Germany, until they started trading with Japan, Black haired Germans were unheard of. Blonde hair, blue eyes, ect ect.

I know Black Germans have Japanese Genes...but I wish I knew more about it. Oh, same with the Dutch, they also have Dutch-Asians.

I wish to learn more about my German Japanese heritage. Could anyone fill me in?

No flaming. :/

I'm quoting the OP because I wish for people to re-read it so they don't make tits of themselves when they post.

firstly she mentions nothing about the culture, she has noted that Japan had a connection, most likley colonial or trading with germany, and gives very exact dates.

Secondly I'm tired of americans thinking european cultures grew up in isolation, we didn't we mixed with the east a lot, thats what caused things like hong-kong, india. At one point the UK owned half the middle east. It is definetly possible that she is of part asian descent.
And i'm tired of americans telling people they must stick to their own culture, we live in a global society these culture are exported by the people of those countries to us, and we in turn export our culture to them. We have being adopting other global cultures for centuries, the only time it might be an issue is when the culture is closed, and with the amount of stuff exported from japan that we are exposed to in the west, ie I can go watch a myazaki film at the cinema, go for lunch at a sushi bar, drive in my suzuki to my zen meditation class, then go home read the latest shonen jumo, rounding off the day playing final fantasy on my sony playstation. whilst chowing down on some noodle soup.

Its being done since antiquity smile

You're completely misunderstanding the concept of cultural identification. Unless you are submerged and raised within a culture you really cannot truly be part of it. Simple awareness of differing cultures does not make one a part of it.

Being raised in different cultures changes your perspective. It changes the way you view the world. Your morals, your opinions, your perspectives are all subject to the culture in which you were raised. There are sub-cultures that further compound upon this, but no matter how much you research and learn about Japanese culture you cannot experience nor emulate what it is like. It's simply impossible.

Even being raised in a culture and moving into another one does not change the imprint your culture put on you. You simply are not going to view the world in the same way. The same standards and ideas will not have been impressed on you.

I want you to prove this because I've seen it happen a lot, I've seen Americans become part of british culture, I've seen other nationalities intergrate into british culture, culture is a global thing. That was why martine batchelor was able to integrate into korean culture. Culture isn't just related to psychology, its also about how things are done.

[Yaminon]

Mostly confused

Yaminon

Mostly confused

Nano Charat

Well, I'm a German Japanese. I've done my research, and apparently Germany and Japan were together from the 1600's until about 1868~ So I'm sure I'm a Japanese aswell. (If not, then why do I look like a pure asian that dyed her hair copper?)

All of my German ancestry are "Black Germans." (Germans who have Black hair and various eye colors besides blue.) In Germany, until they started trading with Japan, Black haired Germans were unheard of. Blonde hair, blue eyes, ect ect.

I know Black Germans have Japanese Genes...but I wish I knew more about it. Oh, same with the Dutch, they also have Dutch-Asians.

I wish to learn more about my German Japanese heritage. Could anyone fill me in?

No flaming. :/

I'm quoting the OP because I wish for people to re-read it so they don't make tits of themselves when they post.

firstly she mentions nothing about the culture, she has noted that Japan had a connection, most likley colonial or trading with germany, and gives very exact dates.

Secondly I'm tired of americans thinking european cultures grew up in isolation, we didn't we mixed with the east a lot, thats what caused things like hong-kong, india. At one point the UK owned half the middle east. It is definetly possible that she is of part asian descent.
And i'm tired of americans telling people they must stick to their own culture, we live in a global society these culture are exported by the people of those countries to us, and we in turn export our culture to them. We have being adopting other global cultures for centuries, the only time it might be an issue is when the culture is closed, and with the amount of stuff exported from japan that we are exposed to in the west, ie I can go watch a myazaki film at the cinema, go for lunch at a sushi bar, drive in my suzuki to my zen meditation class, then go home read the latest shonen jumo, rounding off the day playing final fantasy on my sony playstation. whilst chowing down on some noodle soup.

Its being done since antiquity smile

You're completely misunderstanding the concept of cultural identification. Unless you are submerged and raised within a culture you really cannot truly be part of it. Simple awareness of differing cultures does not make one a part of it.

Being raised in different cultures changes your perspective. It changes the way you view the world. Your morals, your opinions, your perspectives are all subject to the culture in which you were raised. There are sub-cultures that further compound upon this, but no matter how much you research and learn about Japanese culture you cannot experience nor emulate what it is like. It's simply impossible.

Even being raised in a culture and moving into another one does not change the imprint your culture put on you. You simply are not going to view the world in the same way. The same standards and ideas will not have been impressed on you.

I want you to prove this because I've seen it happen a lot, I've seen Americans become part of british culture, I've seen other nationalities intergrate into british culture, culture is a global thing. That was why martine batchelor was able to integrate into korean culture. Culture isn't just related to psychology, its also about how things are done.

You're confusing the concept. If you are raised in a quintessential American culture, that is forever going to shape you. If someone who spent the first 20 years of their life in America moves to Australia and then spends the rest of their life in that culture, they are going to integrate themselves into that culture as someone foreign and whose experiences differ from the experiences of someone who was shaped within an Australian culture.

You can adapt and take on the characteristics of a culture and conform to their rules, but you will still not experience that in the same way.

Similarly, if you are the fourth generation in your family to live in America, you cannot lay a claim to German culture or Japanese culture unless you were raised within it. There are Japanese-American cultures and German-American cultures that are constructed amongst a shared ancestry. But that's not the same as being raised in Germany or Japan. That does not make you German. That does not make you Japanese.

[Mostly confused]

Yaminon

Mostly confused

Yaminon

Mostly confused

Nano Charat

Well, I'm a German Japanese. I've done my research, and apparently Germany and Japan were together from the 1600's until about 1868~ So I'm sure I'm a Japanese aswell. (If not, then why do I look like a pure asian that dyed her hair copper?)

All of my German ancestry are "Black Germans." (Germans who have Black hair and various eye colors besides blue.) In Germany, until they started trading with Japan, Black haired Germans were unheard of. Blonde hair, blue eyes, ect ect.

I know Black Germans have Japanese Genes...but I wish I knew more about it. Oh, same with the Dutch, they also have Dutch-Asians.

I wish to learn more about my German Japanese heritage. Could anyone fill me in?

No flaming. :/

I'm quoting the OP because I wish for people to re-read it so they don't make tits of themselves when they post.

firstly she mentions nothing about the culture, she has noted that Japan had a connection, most likley colonial or trading with germany, and gives very exact dates.

Secondly I'm tired of americans thinking european cultures grew up in isolation, we didn't we mixed with the east a lot, thats what caused things like hong-kong, india. At one point the UK owned half the middle east. It is definetly possible that she is of part asian descent.
And i'm tired of americans telling people they must stick to their own culture, we live in a global society these culture are exported by the people of those countries to us, and we in turn export our culture to them. We have being adopting other global cultures for centuries, the only time it might be an issue is when the culture is closed, and with the amount of stuff exported from japan that we are exposed to in the west, ie I can go watch a myazaki film at the cinema, go for lunch at a sushi bar, drive in my suzuki to my zen meditation class, then go home read the latest shonen jumo, rounding off the day playing final fantasy on my sony playstation. whilst chowing down on some noodle soup.

Its being done since antiquity smile

You're completely misunderstanding the concept of cultural identification. Unless you are submerged and raised within a culture you really cannot truly be part of it. Simple awareness of differing cultures does not make one a part of it.

Being raised in different cultures changes your perspective. It changes the way you view the world. Your morals, your opinions, your perspectives are all subject to the culture in which you were raised. There are sub-cultures that further compound upon this, but no matter how much you research and learn about Japanese culture you cannot experience nor emulate what it is like. It's simply impossible.

Even being raised in a culture and moving into another one does not change the imprint your culture put on you. You simply are not going to view the world in the same way. The same standards and ideas will not have been impressed on you.

I want you to prove this because I've seen it happen a lot, I've seen Americans become part of british culture, I've seen other nationalities intergrate into british culture, culture is a global thing. That was why martine batchelor was able to integrate into korean culture. Culture isn't just related to psychology, its also about how things are done.

You're confusing the concept. If you are raised in a quintessential American culture, that is forever going to shape you. If someone who spent the first 20 years of their life in America moves to Australia and then spends the rest of their life in that culture, they are going to integrate themselves into that culture as someone foreign and whose experiences differ from the experiences of someone who was shaped within an Australian culture.

You can adapt and take on the characteristics of a culture and conform to their rules, but you will still not experience that in the same way.

Similarly, if you are the fourth generation in your family to live in America, you cannot lay a claim to German culture or Japanese culture unless you were raised within it. There are Japanese-American cultures and German-American cultures that are constructed amongst a shared ancestry. But that's not the same as being raised in Germany or Japan. That does not make you German. That does not make you Japanese.

Thats not culture you are talking about then is it? You are talking about mindset. If I moved to portugul I would experience and adopt Portuguese culture. Seriously thats not culture. I experience english culture as does a southerner but we have different views, different mindsets.

And whats all this bollocks about laying claim and not being able to do it. its part of her heritage she can do what she likes.

[0Circe0]

Mostly confused

Yaminon

Mostly confused

Yaminon

Mostly confused

Nano Charat

Well, I'm a German Japanese. I've done my research, and apparently Germany and Japan were together from the 1600's until about 1868~ So I'm sure I'm a Japanese aswell. (If not, then why do I look like a pure asian that dyed her hair copper?)

All of my German ancestry are "Black Germans." (Germans who have Black hair and various eye colors besides blue.) In Germany, until they started trading with Japan, Black haired Germans were unheard of. Blonde hair, blue eyes, ect ect.

I know Black Germans have Japanese Genes...but I wish I knew more about it. Oh, same with the Dutch, they also have Dutch-Asians.

I wish to learn more about my German Japanese heritage. Could anyone fill me in?

No flaming. :/

I'm quoting the OP because I wish for people to re-read it so they don't make tits of themselves when they post.

firstly she mentions nothing about the culture, she has noted that Japan had a connection, most likley colonial or trading with germany, and gives very exact dates.

Secondly I'm tired of americans thinking european cultures grew up in isolation, we didn't we mixed with the east a lot, thats what caused things like hong-kong, india. At one point the UK owned half the middle east. It is definetly possible that she is of part asian descent.
And i'm tired of americans telling people they must stick to their own culture, we live in a global society these culture are exported by the people of those countries to us, and we in turn export our culture to them. We have being adopting other global cultures for centuries, the only time it might be an issue is when the culture is closed, and with the amount of stuff exported from japan that we are exposed to in the west, ie I can go watch a myazaki film at the cinema, go for lunch at a sushi bar, drive in my suzuki to my zen meditation class, then go home read the latest shonen jumo, rounding off the day playing final fantasy on my sony playstation. whilst chowing down on some noodle soup.

Its being done since antiquity smile

You're completely misunderstanding the concept of cultural identification. Unless you are submerged and raised within a culture you really cannot truly be part of it. Simple awareness of differing cultures does not make one a part of it.

Being raised in different cultures changes your perspective. It changes the way you view the world. Your morals, your opinions, your perspectives are all subject to the culture in which you were raised. There are sub-cultures that further compound upon this, but no matter how much you research and learn about Japanese culture you cannot experience nor emulate what it is like. It's simply impossible.

Even being raised in a culture and moving into another one does not change the imprint your culture put on you. You simply are not going to view the world in the same way. The same standards and ideas will not have been impressed on you.

I want you to prove this because I've seen it happen a lot, I've seen Americans become part of british culture, I've seen other nationalities intergrate into british culture, culture is a global thing. That was why martine batchelor was able to integrate into korean culture. Culture isn't just related to psychology, its also about how things are done.

You're confusing the concept. If you are raised in a quintessential American culture, that is forever going to shape you. If someone who spent the first 20 years of their life in America moves to Australia and then spends the rest of their life in that culture, they are going to integrate themselves into that culture as someone foreign and whose experiences differ from the experiences of someone who was shaped within an Australian culture.

You can adapt and take on the characteristics of a culture and conform to their rules, but you will still not experience that in the same way.

Similarly, if you are the fourth generation in your family to live in America, you cannot lay a claim to German culture or Japanese culture unless you were raised within it. There are Japanese-American cultures and German-American cultures that are constructed amongst a shared ancestry. But that's not the same as being raised in Germany or Japan. That does not make you German. That does not make you Japanese.

Thats not culture you are talking about then is it? You are talking about mindset. If I moved to portugul I would experience and adopt Portuguese culture. Seriously thats not culture. I experience english culture as does a southerner but we have different views, different mindsets.

And whats all this bollocks about laying claim and not being able to do it. its part of her heritage she can do what she likes.

Nope. I don't agree. I think Yaminon was dead on.

Look, for a theory of culture read author Herder. He's a philosopher that explains the concept of culture, language, etc very well I think.

I understand where you're coming from but I'm going to explain from personal experience. I'm british half Colombian and at 13 I moved to Colombia. The fact that I moved does not make me Colombian. The fact that I have Colombian genes does not make me Colombian. I arrived as a british person in a foreign country. Four years on, I've integrated into the culture. You wouldn't be able to point me out as a foreigner among a group of natives. BUT that does not mean this is MY culture. It isn't. I am dominantly British whether or not I have ADOPTED the other culture. The place where you are born and raised in is the dominant culture always and foremost. You can adopt thousands of cultures but simply the WAY YOU THINK is tied to those first years of formation within the given dominant culture.

Even language carries culture within it. I can speak Spanish fluently for example, but the way I think when I'm speaking is different to the way my friends speak even though I'm thinking in the same language. When I speak, when anyone from another culture speaks, you can see the underplay of another culture in their words, or the way they describe things etc. even in the most trivial of subjects.

Culture is not something you wash your hands of and put on like an ointment whenever you so please. Culture is your hand, other cultures are the gloves or bangles or whatever you please. THIS DOES NOT MEAN, that one culture is superior to another however. I'm simply stating that for every person there is a dominant culture which underlays all attempts to adopt another. The adoption therefore is an imitation, a natural ability to mimic the second culture and fit in... but even if it's two millimeters from being a perfect blend, it still isn't the same. You're culture is your culture. Full stop.

A mindset IS part of the unit called culture. Again, check out Herder.

[TararistThreat]

No idea what's on the male's side of the family, but my mother's side is almost entirely Norwegian and Swedish. When her family came over to the US, Mom's grandmother on her mom's side decided none of her children would learn Norwegian because English was their newly adopted language. Slowly but surely our family was basically entirely Americanized, though some of our customs have been passed down since long before either my mother's paternal or maternal grandparents left the Old Country, as my grandmother always said. Oddly enough, my grandfather's family had dropped both the Swedish and Norwegian, too, and he also grew up speaking only English.

As I got older, I became more interested in my family's ancestry and countries of origin. I think it's perfectly normal to be curious, and you can often find information you're looking for by researching your family tree. (directed at the OP) I think there are several websites that can help you trace your ancestry, and you may be able to find out something about the people who immigrated to Germany from Japan pretty quickly. Check and see if there's a local historical society that might also be able to point you in the right direction.

[irishcandie]

Eirikir

Geisterfahrer

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to ask... I think I'm going to have to go with a no.

It sounds to me like you are a white person dealing with a stage of white identity development known as the resistance and immersion stage. During this stage of identity development, white people often over-identify with a minority culture they do not belong to.

Base on your post and a quick glance at your profile, it looks like you're over identifying with with the Japanese culture. Usually white people in this stage of racial identity development feel a lack of connectedness to their own race or are experiencing cognitive dissonance and "white guilt" because of increased awareness of their role as oppressors.

I was just going to ask if he was sure he wasn't just wishing he was Japanese, but this is far more articulate.

As to the OP and to that reply, without getting nazi about it, you can explore your own German culture a bit, and thin you won't be stealing cultural identity from the Japanese. Here are some topics to help get you started: mrgreen

1. Hitler
2. Nazis
3. Beer
4. Wagner
5. WWII

gonk Forget the list. Start with beer. Beer is good. mrgreen

but irish beer and whisky is better thant german, in my opinion, but maybe im just biased because im irish.haha