Quick Question To Pro Obama Liberals

[pockybot]

Now that we know for sure it will be Obama v Romney in November(or, as I say...Obomney or Rombama), I wanted to ask some of the leftist/occupy/liberal types(as yes, I still identify myself in that realm) some questions. Yes, I get the 'lesser of two evils' meme. I get the "GOP wants to strip women of rights" meme.


To Liberals/Moderates Who Support Obama, what is your stance or take on:

- reversing a pro pot stance to where Obama has authorized the most aggressive anti medical marijuana/shop raids weve ever seen. Even way more hardcore than under Bush

- the fact he filled so many cabinet positions with former high ranking officials from very crooked wall street institutions

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

- the fact Obama received more wall street and corporate backing than Mccain did

- the endless use of drone attacks(which have killed thousands of innocent civilians in the Muslim world) that Obama is so proud of

- The dramatic escalation of US troops being sent to Afghanistan since 2009. Most of the US soldier deaths have happened after Obama took office

- Making the TSA and other Homeland Security agencies even more hardcore and Orwellian

- Refusing to close Gitmo or other CIA black sites known for torture

- Continuing giving Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other known Wahhabist terror financiers billions of US money

- Treating whistleblower Bradley Manning as an enemy combatant, while allowing PMC and soldiers who committed war crimes off the hook

- Continually flaunting the bin Laden raid(which itself was politically timed since the CIA was monitoring the ISI compound where he was staying for almost a year)

- Appeasing Republicans in taking out public housing help, assistance, compromising on cuts that hurt the poor and lower waged working class


Im probably not even covering a third of the complaints Ive seen legitimately raised.

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Those aren't questions at all.
You lied. emotion_donotwant

[pockybot]

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Those aren't questions at all.
You lied. emotion_donotwant

Well yes, the question is to liberals who support Obama what their position is on these matters

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pockybot

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Those aren't questions at all.
You lied. emotion_donotwant

Well yes, the question is to liberals who support Obama what their position is on these matters

I'd be more likely to answer them each individually if you wouldn't mind posting sources for them all. Not that I don't believe you, but I'd rather read up on each point more thoroughly before commenting on them.

[azulmagia]

pockybot

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

OK, this one is complete bullshit.

[Mr Stuch]

There were no questions and even they were, they wouldn't have been quick. More misinformation from Pocky.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

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pockybot

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

OK, this one is complete bullshit.

Forcing them to provide birth control when it goes against their religious beliefs is bullshit?

[azulmagia]

Old Blue Collar Joe

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pockybot

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

OK, this one is complete bullshit.

Forcing them to provide birth control when it goes against their religious beliefs is bullshit?

The entire framing of the question is bullshit.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

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pockybot

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

OK, this one is complete bullshit.

Forcing them to provide birth control when it goes against their religious beliefs is bullshit?

The entire framing of the question is bullshit.

Because it put it directly to the point of what actually occurred and it offended you? It was direct and accurate. Nothing about it was bullshit other than you getting upset about it.

[azulmagia]

Old Blue Collar Joe

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pockybot

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

OK, this one is complete bullshit.

Forcing them to provide birth control when it goes against their religious beliefs is bullshit?

The entire framing of the question is bullshit.

Because it put it directly to the point of what actually occurred and it offended you? It was direct and accurate. Nothing about it was bullshit other than you getting upset about it.

There's not only no violation of religious freedom, but something like 58% of Catholics support this allegedly anti-Catholic position, according to polls.

[Old Blue Collar Joe]

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pockybot

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

OK, this one is complete bullshit.

Forcing them to provide birth control when it goes against their religious beliefs is bullshit?

The entire framing of the question is bullshit.

Because it put it directly to the point of what actually occurred and it offended you? It was direct and accurate. Nothing about it was bullshit other than you getting upset about it.

There's not only no violation of religious freedom, but something like 58% of Catholics support this allegedly anti-Catholic position, according to polls.

Ah. So, a religion that's doctrine has always dictated NO BIRTH CONTROL isn't being violated by being ordered to provide it. Gotcha. Not a damn bit of contradiction there at all. Nope. Not one bit of stupid in the idea that that doesn't stomp all over separation of church and state.
And the 'statistics' they use? Nice that they provide absolutely NO information on who was polled, the number polled, and the questions asked. Yep. No way in hell that's not fudged a bit.
But I know how you operate. Obama wants, it has gotta be good for everyone. And it's only a little bit of an infringement of the separation of church and state.

[[Castration Pop]]

I voted for Obama because he promised to repeal DADT. He repealed DADT. He killed Bin Laden, made it so I could have health insurance again (Something that I like. I prefer going to the doctor for when I get cut at work rather than going into a car and burning it shut with the cigarette lighter. Texas miracle that, ********.) And pulled us out of Iraq.

I am disappointed with his appeasement policies. I thought them naive. But he's Obama... he has to at least try to go in the middle of the road. Though now it's clear what he's checked out of that according to the speaker of the house. Gitmo and Manning are a tad heavy handed. But considering the time the Bin Laden raid happened and when the wikileaks stuff was going on, I can understand why he's cracking down and making an example.

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Old Blue Collar Joe

Ah. So, a religion that's doctrine has always dictated NO BIRTH CONTROL isn't being violated by being ordered to provide it. Gotcha. Not a damn bit of contradiction there at all. Nope. Not one bit of stupid in the idea that that doesn't stomp all over separation of church and state.

It doesn't because

(a) The RELIGION ain't being asked to be doing anything

(b) Those institutions are there to serve THE PUBLIC and are therefore subject to the laws. They are not a ******** church.

....and the VERY INSTITUTIONS in question don't actually have a problem with it.

The only "Catholics" with a problem with it are the ******** bishops. You know, the same guys who shuffle the ***** priests around to districts so they molest more children.

And are you going to tell me with a straight face the Republicans would never in a million years do anything like this?

[Bubsy]

- reversing a pro pot stance to where Obama has authorized the most aggressive anti medical marijuana/shop raids weve ever seen. Even way more hardcore than under Bush

No opinion.

- the fact he filled so many cabinet positions with former high ranking officials from very crooked wall street institutions

Perhaps it had something to do with the economy. But isn't everyone in the whitehouse from some crooked wall street institution?

- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

Good, religion should not interfere with Civil Rights.

- the fact Obama received more wall street and corporate backing than Mccain did

Big money always makes smart investments.

- the endless use of drone attacks(which have killed thousands of innocent civilians in the Muslim world) that Obama is so proud of

I have yet to fully comprehend this from a militaristic perspective. When you say it like that it sounds so mean. What about the enemy combatants?

- The dramatic escalation of US troops being sent to Afghanistan since 2009. Most of the US soldier deaths have happened after Obama took office

Afghanistan is a mess, the troops gotta go somewhere.

- Making the TSA and other Homeland Security agencies even more hardcore and Orwellian

Obviously this is bad.

- Refusing to close Gitmo or other CIA black sites known for torture

Can they close it? Why not just use it as a prison while stopping the whole torture business?

- Continuing giving Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other known Wahhabist terror financiers billions of US money

How and why?

- Treating whistleblower Bradley Manning as an enemy combatant, while allowing PMC and soldiers who committed war crimes off the hook

He aided the enemy apparently, thats bad.

- Continually flaunting the bin Laden raid(which itself was politically timed since the CIA was monitoring the ISI compound where he was staying for almost a year)

If you got it flaunt it?

- Appeasing Republicans in taking out public housing help, assistance, compromising on cuts that hurt the poor and lower waged working class

I don't know the circumstances of this specific thing.

[Bento the spazcat]

pockybot

- reversing a pro pot stance to where Obama has authorized the most aggressive anti medical marijuana/shop raids weve ever seen. Even way more hardcore than under Bush

He's over 30 and in politics, so by default pot is evil to him.

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- the fact he filled so many cabinet positions with former high ranking officials from very crooked wall street institutions

Which would happen if it was republican and not democrat.
Nothing new, someone gets donations and pays them back.

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- forcing Catholic institutions to go against what they feel is moral obligations

this is why the church should have nothing to do with the gov and the gov should have nothing to do with the church.

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- the fact Obama received more wall street and corporate backing than Mccain did

which is why those jobs were filled by wall street guys...

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- the endless use of drone attacks(which have killed thousands of innocent civilians in the Muslim world) that Obama is so proud of

still looking for designs, saw a home-made scrambler that kills drone navigation called a flyswatter box. Do want.

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- The dramatic escalation of US troops being sent to Afghanistan since 2009. Most of the US soldier deaths have happened after Obama took office

Osama is dead. sadam is dead. WMDs were never found. We have zero reason to be there now.

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- Making the TSA and other Homeland Security agencies even more hardcore and Orwellian

I say that if the TSA wants to grope us, we should be allowed to have the testicles of the officer in our hands at all times so if they do something screwy they're one good squeeze away from talking in a higher octive.

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- Refusing to close Gitmo or other CIA black sites known for torture

Would not have been closed under anyone else either. But still, scumbaggy.

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- Continuing giving Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other known Wahhabist terror financiers billions of US money

US dollars should be used for the US.

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- Treating whistleblower Bradley Manning as an enemy combatant, while allowing PMC and soldiers who committed war crimes off the hook

It's all about who was harmed.
The soldiers harmed brown people, who are evil according to the media. but bradley harmed the US, making him the enemy. Or worse, a tur-izt muslin.

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- Continually flaunting the bin Laden raid(which itself was politically timed since the CIA was monitoring the ISI compound where he was staying for almost a year)

Well, the right kept trying to give bush the credit.

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- Appeasing Republicans in taking out public housing help, assistance, compromising on cuts that hurt the poor and lower waged working class

crappy but it seems the only way to get anything done is to put some of the things repubs don't want with things they do to find some balance.