Prisoners need our help more than gays

[Gorbek II]

Prison should focus on Rectification of bad behaviour not punishment of it.

[TheSilverNoble]

The Real Macai XXXV

And one thing. I don't like how people are demonstrating my point. I've read the entire thread and realized that a lot of people really do think that "human rights" only apply to people that play nice.

And what should we do about those who violate the rights of others?

[Repellant]

TheSilverNoble

The Real Macai XXXV

And one thing. I don't like how people are demonstrating my point. I've read the entire thread and realized that a lot of people really do think that "human rights" only apply to people that play nice.

And what should we do about those who violate the rights of others?

Correct their behavior. Or lock them up in a fit of vengeful rage.

The choice is yours.

[Demetri Nolan]

Its horrible I know. Most of those people shouldn't really even be in prison at all. Drug users, gang murders, those kinds of things. Drug users, they dont harm anyone, they get high. Just cause the goverment isnt making money on them doesnt mean it's wrong of that person. The goverment made the drugs illegal, and they can make them legal. Gang murders. Gang members killing gang members. That doesnt really harm society, it helps it in a way. Less gang members! Also, if anyone wants to know how bad "The Hole" can be, watch the movie Murder in the First.

[Velkyn Faer]

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

Nah, that's not it. You're probably just misinformed. The joke was intended to be more cynical than laugh out loud, and I'm callous because I can't stand criminals and the fact that he was advocating for better treatment of them disgusts me. I hate crime, and I am not bothered by the fact that criminals have s**t happen to them.

It makes me laugh that you think that America is the only country that embraces vice. As if poor moral values are a regional affliction, defined by imaginary lines on a map. Vice is everywhere, you just can't see it from your pedestal.

Maybe I should add to my signature that I am not an accurate representation of the typical American, though I'm flattered that you use a single paragraph on the Internet to assume that I am.

xion-tono

I feel the opposite of the OP, I think that the US prison system needs to be tougher on criminals. When you get to the high-security prisons, who's in them? Oh right, guys who have been shuffled from prison to prison because they keep committing crimes while they're in there.

Don't they have one in Arizona that doesn't even have a fence around it? It's just a cluster of tents and basic service facilities. The heat is so intense that you couldn't make it to any sembelance of civilization without proper supplies, which the prisioners are obviously not offered. They do labor all day, and there is little need for guard enforcement.

Demetri Nolan

Its horrible I know. Most of those people shouldn't really even be in prison at all. Drug users, gang murders, those kinds of things. Drug users, they dont harm anyone, they get high. Just cause the goverment isnt making money on them doesnt mean it's wrong of that person. The goverment made the drugs illegal, and they can make them legal. Gang murders. Gang members killing gang members. That doesnt really harm society, it helps it in a way. Less gang members! Also, if anyone wants to know how bad "The Hole" can be, watch the movie Murder in the First.

You're kidding, right? So, if I were to develop an addiction to an illegal drug, my friends and family wouldn't be at all effected? When I blow all of my money on drugs and then start begging them, or stealing from them, it doesn't have an impact? What about when my parents watch me get carted off to prison for who knows how long?

As to gang murders, you're saying that murder is okay if it is commited on people you deem worthless? I'm not advocating gangs, but there are legitimate reasons that people join them, such as a protective family who will look out for you. It's not all black and white, as much as we all would like it to be.

[Demetri Nolan]

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You're kidding, right? So, if I were to develop an addiction to an illegal drug, my friends and family wouldn't be at all effected? When I blow all of my money on drugs and then start begging them, or stealing from them, it doesn't have an impact? What about when my parents watch me get carted off to prison for who knows how long?



As to gang murders, you're saying that murder is okay if it is commited on people you deem worthless? I'm not advocating gangs, but there are legitimate reasons that people join them, such as a protective family who will look out for you. It's not all black and white, as much as we all would like it to be.

Your friends and family would be affected if you were addicted to drugs, but it wouldnt harm society enough to deserve prison in my mind. Also I know gangmembers are real people, but there are murders every single day and were running out of room to lock them up, so thats one thing I would let slide to try and save space.

[wolfves tears]

I've never been to prison...so I can't say much about this. talk2hand

[TheSilverNoble]

Repellant

TheSilverNoble

The Real Macai XXXV

And one thing. I don't like how people are demonstrating my point. I've read the entire thread and realized that a lot of people really do think that "human rights" only apply to people that play nice.

And what should we do about those who violate the rights of others?

Correct their behavior. Or lock them up in a fit of vengeful rage.

The choice is yours.

I was asking Macai specifically. Most of us seem to have no problem with the concept of a prison in general, but Macai is challenging even that.

[demonbarber14]

If I were president, my first law would be to make prison nicer.

[WenchUndertheBridge]

demonbarber14

If I were president, my first law would be to make prison nicer.

Does this include fluffy curtains and flowers as centerpieces?

[Hashire-Greywolf]

Prison is not a vacation.
you go to prison to be punished for a crime so that you never do it again...not for a "time out", not to make friends, not to hang out".

Prisoners already have too many rights as it is...they get TV, cellmates, alot of social time, excellent meals, etc.

personally, I think the best way to turn someone away from crime is to torment them a little bit...cut off most of their human interaction and 1 hour outdoors for a little fresh air and sunshine (ive never been against anyone having a little one on one time with mother nature). Perhaps making them realize how good life was and what they screwed up will make them appreciate life enough to turn away from crime.

[OneWithDunamis]

But that fact remains that prisoners are almost 100% guilty of committing crimes, and being in prison is the consequence of their own actions.If someone killed your family, should he or she walk away free?

[HowHardIsItToGetAName]

Miko_9999

Prisoners bring it on themselves, gays usually don't have a choice in being gay.

This is debatable.

I would rather argue about the housing in the Maricopa County Prison in Arizona. Inmates slept outside in tents while abandoned animals took residence in the air-conditioned cells. The animals can't help if they were abused/abandoned, meanwhile prisoners did something to get them into that position. Sucks to be them.

[HowHardIsItToGetAName]

demonbarber14

If I were president, my first law would be to make prison nicer.

You do know that the president doesn't make laws right? And why the hell would you want prison to be nicer? It's some place you don't want to go, not vice versa.

[PCp Troll]

Onoes! Criminals Have Less Rights Than Homosexuals! Who Would Have Thunk?