Prisoners need our help more than gays

[Vercingetorix VII]

OfficerLawl

DrCongressmanPHD

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world- both as a gross and as a percentage of the total population. Rape and abuse are common in this prison system.

I think it's fair to say that we don't have that many more serial rapists and murders than the rest of the world, so the flaw is in the American penal system which answers to a bloodthirsty mob calling itself a democracy. Over a million Americans are in prison for non-violent offenses.

Something to remember next time you hear China referred to as a prison state.

[OfficerLawl]

Vercingetorix VII

OfficerLawl

DrCongressmanPHD

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world- both as a gross and as a percentage of the total population. Rape and abuse are common in this prison system.

I think it's fair to say that we don't have that many more serial rapists and murders than the rest of the world, so the flaw is in the American penal system which answers to a bloodthirsty mob calling itself a democracy. Over a million Americans are in prison for non-violent offenses.

Something to remember next time you hear China referred to as a prison state.

As I stated in a previous post that unless informed otherwise I was going to assume that these horrible things going on in prisons are for the most part happening in hard core prisons. My point was that exactly. I don't think when the list of horrible things was brought up people were thinking of the petty and nonviolent criminals. I do think most people would be for the better treatment of such criminals and would be sickened if they were treated like this. When the subject was brought up I think most people thought of the worse scum they could and for them no, a lot of us don't care they're suffering and they're the ones this is most likely happening to. I can certainly see guards looking a blind eye to the abuse of a child murderer/rapist for example. Frankly that doesn't bother me at all.

[Vercingetorix VII]

OfficerLawl

Vercingetorix VII

OfficerLawl

DrCongressmanPHD

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world- both as a gross and as a percentage of the total population. Rape and abuse are common in this prison system.

I think it's fair to say that we don't have that many more serial rapists and murders than the rest of the world, so the flaw is in the American penal system which answers to a bloodthirsty mob calling itself a democracy. Over a million Americans are in prison for non-violent offenses.

Something to remember next time you hear China referred to as a prison state.

As I stated in a previous post that unless informed otherwise I was going to assume that these horrible things going on in prisons are for the most part happening in hard core prisons. My point was that exactly. I don't think when the list of horrible things was brought up people were thinking of the petty and nonviolent criminals. I do think most people would be for the better treatment of such criminals and would be sickened if they were treated like this. When the subject was brought up I think most people thought of the worse scum they could and for them no, a lot of us don't care they're suffering and they're the ones this is most likely happening to. I can certainly see guards looking a blind eye to the abuse of a child murderer/rapist for example. Frankly that doesn't bother me at all.

1) It should.

2) It does happen to the non-violent offenders.

3) Prison is already a horrible thing to happen to people that haven't committed any real crimes.

Take the recent trial of Lil' Wayne for example. Shitty artist? Yes. Did he hurt anyone? No. Is his crime, having a semi-automatic weapon on his tour bus, actually a crime? s**t, not according to the Constitution. Is he still going to spend at least a year in jail in all likelihood? Yes.

Why? Because Americans are ******** stupid.

[DrCongressmanPHD]

OfficerLawl

DrCongressmanPHD

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.

There are far more non-violent criminals in jail than the violent. The jail produces more violence and crime that it solves really. Sure hate the people who murder etc. But the hate hits them all the same.

[Kaosgirl]

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

That's not a rape joke. That's a "prostitution for services rendered" joke.

[OfficerLawl]

Vercingetorix VII

OfficerLawl

Vercingetorix VII

OfficerLawl

DrCongressmanPHD

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world- both as a gross and as a percentage of the total population. Rape and abuse are common in this prison system.

I think it's fair to say that we don't have that many more serial rapists and murders than the rest of the world, so the flaw is in the American penal system which answers to a bloodthirsty mob calling itself a democracy. Over a million Americans are in prison for non-violent offenses.

Something to remember next time you hear China referred to as a prison state.

As I stated in a previous post that unless informed otherwise I was going to assume that these horrible things going on in prisons are for the most part happening in hard core prisons. My point was that exactly. I don't think when the list of horrible things was brought up people were thinking of the petty and nonviolent criminals. I do think most people would be for the better treatment of such criminals and would be sickened if they were treated like this. When the subject was brought up I think most people thought of the worse scum they could and for them no, a lot of us don't care they're suffering and they're the ones this is most likely happening to. I can certainly see guards looking a blind eye to the abuse of a child murderer/rapist for example. Frankly that doesn't bother me at all.

1) It should.

2) It does happen to the non-violent offenders.

3) Prison is already a horrible thing to happen to people that haven't committed any real crimes.

Take the recent trial of Lil' Wayne for example. Shitty artist? Yes. Did he hurt anyone? No. Is his crime, having a semi-automatic weapon on his tour bus, actually a crime? s**t, not according to the Constitution. Is he still going to spend at least a year in jail in all likelihood? Yes.

Why? Because Americans are ******** stupid.

1) I see no reason why it should, do tell.

2) Yes but likely far less often or to such extremes. At least from what I know of the prisons in my area. I would really like to see numbers. The highest rates of this abuse is happening to which types of criminals? I need charts, numbers, pie graphs, anything.

3) You can't possibly be referring to all criminals with that comment, obviously a good deal of the people in prison have committed a real crime. I don't think we're talking about the exceptions here, for the most part when talking about criminals overall we're going to assume we're talking about criminals we all believe deserve to be there. Again, I'm fairly certain the average person is FOR the better treatment of nonviolent and petty criminals. We are simply less sympathetic towards the hardcore criminals our minds initially jumped to.

Edit: By the by, putting an entire nation of people into a single category is pretty ******** stupid in itself. wink

[Schmibble]

I don't think murderers or child molesters should even get a second chance.
They're treated like s**t because they are s**t.
Simple.

I have no tollerance for people like that and think they've done nothing wrong.

I also think the youth protection program is s**t.

[The Real Macai XXXV]

OfficerLawl

DrCongressmanPHD

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.

The hate comes from the fact that they broke society's rules.

[The Real Macai XXXV]

And one thing. I don't like how people are demonstrating my point. I've read the entire thread and realized that a lot of people really do think that "human rights" only apply to people that play nice.

[xion-tono]

I feel the opposite of the OP, I think that the US prison system needs to be tougher on criminals. When you get to the high-security prisons, who's in them? Oh right, guys who have been shuffled from prison to prison because they keep committing crimes while they're in there.

[Irahatam]

Prison is a time to reflect on the crime that put one there. To learn about the key trigger in ones self that turned ones life into a nightmare, and to work towards NOT doing it again. But they don't run prisons like that and there's more crime in prison than out of it.
A prison needs to be run like a boot camp. Up by five, down by eight with lots of work in between. None of this play yard stuff where they can continue their illicit activities.
Television should be limited to news stations and various learning channels, with only pre-screened commercials. Movies should be shown as a good behavior reward only.
No internet should be given. If they want their GED or to continue their education they should do so with books.
One should have to earn their right to have a visit from family. When one has earned that right then it should be through windows with telephones. Far too many drugs are passed when family or girlfriends/boyfriends have face to face visits.
And no conjugal visits what so ever.

[No Shore Gnome]

I assume you are speaking from personal experience and that's why you care.

[possiblywrong]

Oh no! Lets all give them a comfortable bed, a nice clean toilet and seperate showers! Lets give them some nice healthy food and give them a chocolate cake for desert every day! Give them a nice flat screen tv and the newest laptop while we're at it. They certainly deserved all those nice things after the horrible things they've done to other people, which is why they ended up in prison in the first place stare

I'm glad they're being treated like s**t! Because that's what they are. If you do something bad, you deserve to be punished. Prison is a place you don't want to be so it needs to be a horrible place. That way you scare people of doing stupid bad things. How do you think you would feel if you were a victim? Or someone of your family was a victim? And the criminal who did this to you got all the comfort in prison you will never have because you're too traumatised to go to work so you can't afford anything. How would you feel huh? I'd personally torture the people who ever lay their hands on me or any member of my family.

Prisoners never gave their victims a chance. They torture them, rape them, hurt them, kill them etc. and then you expect the prisoner to be treated well? No, hell no! I say: go ahead and throw them in a dark cave, starve them to death. They need to suffer like they made their victims suffer. And I don't mean capital punishment, I want them to really suffer! Because death brings end to all suffering. So make them suffer! Torture them for all I care! Criminals don't have the right to be treated like kings and queens.

(I would like to point out that I only wish this would happen to the really bad criminals, i.e. (child) rapist, murderers, etc. small criminals like thiefs who never physically harmed another person shouldn't be treated like s**t in my opinion.)

[Mokie7]

Really? I always thought our prison system was quite lenient compared to the rest of the world... and that's after watching those stupid prison shows that MSNBC shows marathons of on weekends.

[LilPinkCandy]

If prison were a more pleasant place and not filled with harm, people wouldn't care about being there. It would no longer be a place to fear and no longer deter people from committing crimes...
However, i do believe that when in prison, you lose your rights.