Prisoners need our help more than gays

[Kaosgirl]

Patroshus

It's their own fault for getting themselves in prison in the first place.

Not always.

[Macaroni Junior]

Mmmm....I agree with you. The way prisoners are treated really sucks...but they only go through a millionth of a millionth of what LGB and T people go through.

[SocratesAndHemlock]

Shrantic

araikoe

Project 429

araikoe

If you did the crime, then you deserve to serve your sentence.

Our drug laws aren't so good.

True: especially on marijuana. However, they knew what was in store for them, so they still deserve it.

You could say the same thing about speaking out against the government in a dictatorship. neutral

No. Speaking out against a tyrannical government is different from bitching about being punished for trying to get high/a fix.

[Velkyn Faer]

The Real Macai XXXV

The way we treat prisoners in the United States is atrocious. When I was a kid, I thought prison was merely an extended time out, and that seems to be the implied point of prison, but it's much more than that.

You mean, prison isn't a chair in the corner?

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Prisoners get locked in tiny cages and are only let out of them for an hour a day, if that. The Hole and other forms of solitary confinement are designed specifically to exploit this and use it as a form of punishment.

Prison is punishment. And people are put in solitary for a reason, be it issues with other inmates or as an advanced form of punishment because it is necessary. They don't throw people into The Hole willy-nilly.

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Prisoners are brutalized on a daily basis, not just by other prisoners, but by cell guards. If you get anally raped, and go tell a guard in hopes of getting to be in a more physically secure place, they have no real world obligation to put you in one. If the prisoner that did this to you catches wind of it, your dignity isn't the only thing at stake anymore, but so is your life.

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

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Going to prison ruins your life. There is no way a person can reasonably spend twenty years of their life in a cell and then be expected to just get up and get a job like nothing happened.

In the event that someone gets out of prison, they are expected to get back on their feet. However, employers have a right to look into your criminal history, which is public information. Your punishment, once convicted of a felony, is never over.

No, you ruin your life. Don't commit a crime, stay out of jail. It's not a random lotto that gets you there, it's your own actions. People don't want to hire ex-convicts, especially felons. Why, because they were convicted of crimes!

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Sex offenders have it even worse. No matter where you go, you must register yourself, and any malicious jerk can turn you into a social pariah simply by looking you up. They can find out where you live, and plaster your face everywhere you go, making you vulnerable to harassment or worse. Police and judges aren't likely to sympathize with a convicted child molester, and might choose to turn a blind eye to vandalism, break-ins or attempts at the person's life.

This must be a troll thread, because you can't possibly be advocating for ******** child molesters. I hear even in prison they treat perverts like the low s**t that they are, and I applaud the people that turn the freak into a pariah. You claim they'll be vulnerable to harassment or worse? Think they'll be more vulnerable than the kids they messed with? I doubt it, but I hope so.

[TheSilverNoble]

You're right in that prisoners have it worse; however, it's also true that, in theory, they have done something to harm another human being. Not always true, but often. It's prison, it's supposed to be a punishment.

That said, prisons are in need of some reform, as well as the way society treats former prisoners. Its very hard for former prisoners to get a job or be treated fairly. If we don't trust them, we shouldn't let them out; otherwise we're doing them no service. Sex offenders have it even worse, especially when you consider the things that can get you on that list.

[Aspen Dream]

TheSilverNoble

Sex offenders have it even worse, especially when you consider the things that can get you on that list.

I'll agree that there are some things that can get you on that list that shouldn't, but the recidivism rate for many sexual based offenses is so high that the list and the regulations that come with it are, for the most part, necessary.

[X_Torric_X]

Diceroll determines % of inmates are gay.
EDIT: Makes you think.

[I Chew Acid]

Asevenex

Diceroll determines % of inmates are gay.
EDIT: Makes you think.

I have no idea what's going on, but that made me laugh randomly..... then I felt awkward. o.O

[magicskittles08]

The long sentences are there obviously to make the crime an obvious deterrent, which you seem to be forgetting.

The treatment in prisons, however, is less than helpful. We want to rehabilitate these people and turn out productive members of society, since many crimes are committed because of unfortunate circumstances. Your comments about the guards and health care are probably true to a degree and need to be fixed.

However, the ability to know if someone has previously committed a crime bad enough to warrant prison, especially sexual offenses, need to be public record for the safety of society. It is unfortunate that a community's response can become so violent, but knowledge is power.

[Dion Necurat]

X-Reaper Man-X

Prison: Used as punishment for people who break the law.
Punishment: Doesn't have to be logical.

Actually...It has to be logical, otherwise it is unusual, which would then be a violation of the constitution.

[DrCongressmanPHD]

Why can't we help both?

Welp now that, that is taking care of, what else can we talk about here?

[Vercingetorix VII]

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

[OfficerLawl]

What's this have to do with gays?

Anyways I have a hard time caring much, especially about the sex offenders. And you know, I'm gonna need more specifics here because I'm not all that knowledgeable about prisons. Is all this apparent suffering that is going on happening in all prisons or for the most part just the real hardcore criminal prisons. I mean in blue collar prisons I hear it's actually pretty nice. Not sure about where other types of petty criminals get sent but I'm sure it's not as horrible as all that. So what are we talking about here, the worst of the worst scum? I'm going to assume so unless informed otherwise. To be honest I don't really care if they're the ones suffering.

[DrCongressmanPHD]

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

[OfficerLawl]

DrCongressmanPHD

Vercingetorix VII

I agree with you.

I especially find the whole "prisoners deserve whatever they get" mindset troubling from people who purport to be Christians in the rest of their life.

It's a barbaric and hideous attitude that shows a lack of moral character.

Velkyn Faer

The people in prison are criminals, and they're going to see you as a target, especially if this whiny attitude of yours carries on into the real world. Join a gang, maybe they'll protect you. Or maybe you'll be the gang's prom queen.

What a low and wretched creature you must be, to turn rape into a joke and shrug it off so callously.

Moral ambition in America is dead.

In a culture that embraces vice and makes a mockery of virtue, what could one expect?

Ignoring the million+ Americans in jail for drug-related charges that are outrageous by their nature.

American culture can be quite barbaric at times. The fact that people make prison rape jokes, and think that it is something to laugh about makes my stomach turn. I don't understand were the hatred comes from.

I'll respect your views about the treatment of prisoners even if I disagree, but how do you not understand where the hatred comes from? I'm sure the first place everyone's mind goes when they think about these prisoners is not Billy the local drunk. People think of serial killers, rapists, child molesters, gang members, mafia, kidnappers....the list goes on. Of course there's hate.