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Well during the Cold War the Russians did throw tons of them at any nation that claimed socialism and afterwords tons more were sold off for a few dollars each to whoever wanted them so it's quite understandable they would have widespread use.

If widespread use is a sign of superiority then we should all buy Volkswagen Beetles.
No because they were so widespread there is more record of their performance.


Mostly in the hands of ill trained guerilla fighters albeit. The factory sights themselves are generally poor and not fitted for accurately shooting which is what a trained professional military requires.

The Galil takes the base AKM design and vastly improves it's functionality, features, and rechambers it in 5.54x45 NATO, it clearly works or it wouldn't be in use by nearly 30 nations.

It also allows the the use of STANAG magazines with an adapter which is a plus given that AK-101/2 cannot comply to the Standardization Agreement.
I agree on the Galil. Still put your middle finger up and rip off the design.


An adapted version of the AK-101/2 would be best perhaps but the Galil still could accomplish the same feats, imo it would be essentially the same or at least very similar system in the end.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
The sights are better on the Galil. The only thing I don't like is the skeletal stock.


I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
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I actually know the guy that posted that.


Salute him for me.
PM him yourself his Gaia username is Das Rabble Rouser.


Das Rabble Rouser is seriously Ivan Chesnokov?

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I've seen him around the GD for years.

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I don't have a duck in this fight, I just wanted to post this.

User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.
I actually know the guy that posted that.


Salute him for me.
PM him yourself his Gaia username is Das Rabble Rouser.


Das Rabble Rouser is seriously Ivan Chesnokov?

emotion_jawdrop

I've seen him around the GD for years.

emotion_jawdrop emotion_jawdrop emotion_jawdrop
Da.


Mind = Blown
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Mostly in the hands of ill trained guerilla fighters albeit. The factory sights themselves are generally poor and not fitted for accurately shooting which is what a trained professional military requires.

The Galil takes the base AKM design and vastly improves it's functionality, features, and rechambers it in 5.54x45 NATO, it clearly works or it wouldn't be in use by nearly 30 nations.

It also allows the the use of STANAG magazines with an adapter which is a plus given that AK-101/2 cannot comply to the Standardization Agreement.
I agree on the Galil. Still put your middle finger up and rip off the design.


An adapted version of the AK-101/2 would be best perhaps but the Galil still could accomplish the same feats, imo it would be essentially the same or at least very similar system in the end.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
The sights are better on the Galil. The only thing I don't like is the skeletal stock.


I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
I do know that skeletal stocks ******** HURT!
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Salute him for me.
PM him yourself his Gaia username is Das Rabble Rouser.


Das Rabble Rouser is seriously Ivan Chesnokov?

emotion_jawdrop

I've seen him around the GD for years.

emotion_jawdrop emotion_jawdrop emotion_jawdrop
Da.


Mind = Blown
He did actually create an Ivan Chesnokov account here on Gaia. I wouldn't bug him about it though since he hasn't used the Chesnokov account for over a year.
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Mostly in the hands of ill trained guerilla fighters albeit. The factory sights themselves are generally poor and not fitted for accurately shooting which is what a trained professional military requires.

The Galil takes the base AKM design and vastly improves it's functionality, features, and rechambers it in 5.54x45 NATO, it clearly works or it wouldn't be in use by nearly 30 nations.

It also allows the the use of STANAG magazines with an adapter which is a plus given that AK-101/2 cannot comply to the Standardization Agreement.
I agree on the Galil. Still put your middle finger up and rip off the design.


An adapted version of the AK-101/2 would be best perhaps but the Galil still could accomplish the same feats, imo it would be essentially the same or at least very similar system in the end.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
The sights are better on the Galil. The only thing I don't like is the skeletal stock.


I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
I do know that skeletal stocks ******** HURT!


I've only ever used one on a CZ 858/Sporter Vz 58 but it wasn't long enough to really get a feel for it so I don't really have an opinion on them.

Do you think it would be that bad with the 5.56 cartridge though?
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An adapted version of the AK-101/2 would be best perhaps but the Galil still could accomplish the same feats, imo it would be essentially the same or at least very similar system in the end.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
The sights are better on the Galil. The only thing I don't like is the skeletal stock.


I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
I do know that skeletal stocks ******** HURT!


I've only ever used one on a CZ 858/Sporter Vz 58 but it wasn't long enough to really get a feel for it so I don't really have an opinion on them.

Do you think it would be that bad with the 5.56 cartridge though?
A 5.56 should recoil harder than a 7.62x39mm so yeah it will hurt.
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Salute him for me.
PM him yourself his Gaia username is Das Rabble Rouser.


Das Rabble Rouser is seriously Ivan Chesnokov?

emotion_jawdrop

I've seen him around the GD for years.

emotion_jawdrop emotion_jawdrop emotion_jawdrop
Da.


Mind = Blown
He did actually create an Ivan Chesnokov account here on Gaia. I wouldn't bug him about it though since he hasn't used the Chesnokov account for over a year.


I just think it's kind of funny to see, I never would have suspected that.
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An adapted version of the AK-101/2 would be best perhaps but the Galil still could accomplish the same feats, imo it would be essentially the same or at least very similar system in the end.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
The sights are better on the Galil. The only thing I don't like is the skeletal stock.


I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
I do know that skeletal stocks ******** HURT!


I've only ever used one on a CZ 858/Sporter Vz 58 but it wasn't long enough to really get a feel for it so I don't really have an opinion on them.

Do you think it would be that bad with the 5.56 cartridge though?
A 5.56 should recoil harder than a 7.62x39mm so yeah it will hurt.

I suppose it depends on the system the rifle uses for operation.
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Why the M4 sucks: Its made primarily by Colt.

Why the 5.56mm is weak: The hell it is. That little .22 piece of lead screams through the air at Mach III and will go through 3 inches of concrete. It is more lethal than 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm cartridges which are more commonly found on any battlefield than 5.56mm. The only real issue with this cartridge is that it loses its tumbling effect if its shot out of a barrel shorter than 12 inches.

I wouldnt say its deadlier than a 7.62, but I would go as far as to say its better than most magnum rounds.

******** .22? Really? Thats the biggest slug you could give us?
Its a .22 backed up by a ******** of powder. Have you ever seen a rifle round? Even an AK round is tiny, smaller than a 9mm. Smaller than a .32 for that matter. What makes a 5.56 round so deadly is common physics. It is smaller, but it is backed up by much more powder. That means that there is more force behind it once it impacts at a higher speed. Speed magnifies the weight of the object and causes more damage. Not only that but it can also tumble after impact, making an ever larger hole. If you take round like lets say a .45 though larger, has a lower speed. A bullet like that tends to kill you by making you bleed out. A5.56 though lighter, goes at a much faster speed. That round tends to kill you by shockwave. Meaning that the round will tear through you, damaging organs, sending involuntary nerve actions and causing vessels to burst. All without even touching them physically.
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An adapted version of the AK-101/2 would be best perhaps but the Galil still could accomplish the same feats, imo it would be essentially the same or at least very similar system in the end.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
The sights are better on the Galil. The only thing I don't like is the skeletal stock.


I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
I do know that skeletal stocks ******** HURT!


I've only ever used one on a CZ 858/Sporter Vz 58 but it wasn't long enough to really get a feel for it so I don't really have an opinion on them.

Do you think it would be that bad with the 5.56 cartridge though?
A 5.56 should recoil harder than a 7.62x39mm so yeah it will hurt.
No the 7.62 as more recoil the the 5.56 NATO.
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Why the M4 sucks: Its made primarily by Colt.

Why the 5.56mm is weak: The hell it is. That little .22 piece of lead screams through the air at Mach III and will go through 3 inches of concrete. It is more lethal than 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm cartridges which are more commonly found on any battlefield than 5.56mm. The only real issue with this cartridge is that it loses its tumbling effect if its shot out of a barrel shorter than 12 inches.

I wouldnt say its deadlier than a 7.62, but I would go as far as to say its better than most magnum rounds.

******** .22? Really? Thats the biggest slug you could give us?
Its a .22 backed up by a ******** of powder. Have you ever seen a rifle round? Even an AK round is tiny, smaller than a 9mm. Smaller than a .32 for that matter. What makes a 5.56 round so deadly is common physics. It is smaller, but it is backed up by much more powder. That means that there is more force behind it once it impacts at a higher speed. Speed magnifies the weight of the object and causes more damage. Not only that but it can also tumble after impact, making an ever larger hole. If you take round like lets say a .45 though larger, has a lower speed. A bullet like that tends to kill you by making you bleed out. A5.56 though lighter, goes at a much faster speed. That round tends to kill you by shockwave. Meaning that the round will tear through you, damaging organs, sending involuntary nerve actions and causing vessels to burst. All without even touching them physically.


Actually a 7.62mm x 39mm round is typically 8 grams while a 9mm round is typically 7.5, so the Ak round is technically bigger.

And a heavier round tends to have better energy transfer, power, and momentum, which is what results in immediate take down power and incapacitation.


A smaller object traveling quickly, like a micro meteorite has a tendency to poke holes in things rather than tear holes or transfer energy.

So you're just wrong on that part.
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I've never liked the way the Galil looks but from reading about it it sounds like a good weapon.
I do know that skeletal stocks ******** HURT!


I've only ever used one on a CZ 858/Sporter Vz 58 but it wasn't long enough to really get a feel for it so I don't really have an opinion on them.

Do you think it would be that bad with the 5.56 cartridge though?
A 5.56 should recoil harder than a 7.62x39mm so yeah it will hurt.
No the 7.62 as more recoil the the 5.56 NATO.


In theory it should have quite a bit more.

10% more energy and a bullet that's twice as heavy.
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Why the M4 sucks: Its made primarily by Colt.

Why the 5.56mm is weak: The hell it is. That little .22 piece of lead screams through the air at Mach III and will go through 3 inches of concrete. It is more lethal than 7.62x39mm and 5.45x39mm cartridges which are more commonly found on any battlefield than 5.56mm. The only real issue with this cartridge is that it loses its tumbling effect if its shot out of a barrel shorter than 12 inches.

I wouldnt say its deadlier than a 7.62, but I would go as far as to say its better than most magnum rounds.

******** .22? Really? Thats the biggest slug you could give us?
Its a .22 backed up by a ******** of powder. Have you ever seen a rifle round? Even an AK round is tiny, smaller than a 9mm. Smaller than a .32 for that matter. What makes a 5.56 round so deadly is common physics. It is smaller, but it is backed up by much more powder. That means that there is more force behind it once it impacts at a higher speed. Speed magnifies the weight of the object and causes more damage. Not only that but it can also tumble after impact, making an ever larger hole. If you take round like lets say a .45 though larger, has a lower speed. A bullet like that tends to kill you by making you bleed out. A5.56 though lighter, goes at a much faster speed. That round tends to kill you by shockwave. Meaning that the round will tear through you, damaging organs, sending involuntary nerve actions and causing vessels to burst. All without even touching them physically.


Actually a 7.62mm x 39mm round is typically 8 grams while a 9mm round is typically 7.5, so the Ak round is technically bigger.

And a heavier round tends to have better energy transfer, power, and momentum, which is what results in immediate take down power and incapacitation.


A smaller object traveling quickly, like a micro meteorite has a tendency to poke holes in things rather than tear holes or transfer energy.

So you're just wrong on that part.

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I wouldnt say its deadlier than a 7.62, but I would go as far as to say its better than most magnum rounds.

******** .22? Really? Thats the biggest slug you could give us?
Its a .22 backed up by a ******** of powder. Have you ever seen a rifle round? Even an AK round is tiny, smaller than a 9mm. Smaller than a .32 for that matter. What makes a 5.56 round so deadly is common physics. It is smaller, but it is backed up by much more powder. That means that there is more force behind it once it impacts at a higher speed. Speed magnifies the weight of the object and causes more damage. Not only that but it can also tumble after impact, making an ever larger hole. If you take round like lets say a .45 though larger, has a lower speed. A bullet like that tends to kill you by making you bleed out. A5.56 though lighter, goes at a much faster speed. That round tends to kill you by shockwave. Meaning that the round will tear through you, damaging organs, sending involuntary nerve actions and causing vessels to burst. All without even touching them physically.


Actually a 7.62mm x 39mm round is typically 8 grams while a 9mm round is typically 7.5, so the Ak round is technically bigger.

And a heavier round tends to have better energy transfer, power, and momentum, which is what results in immediate take down power and incapacitation.


A smaller object traveling quickly, like a micro meteorite has a tendency to poke holes in things rather than tear holes or transfer energy.

So you're just wrong on that part.



That didn't really...

Refute anything I said at all. O_o


Also large temporary cavity, small permanent one.

In terms of actual damage it would be small.


Plus if you noticed it over penetrated.

In any case, the consistency of the round is way off, it depends on your range (for instance it generally has better performance at 200 yards than straight out the muzzle) and this is just a youtube video, they could be using 2% gelatin instead of 20% or 10% or whatever for all I know.

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