PARENTS. Do you think your children should have privacy?

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DJ Katsuo

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Doesn't mean much when we're already treating everyone under the local magic-age-line-based-on-nothing like an infant anyway.

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So those kids with real problems will be infinitely better off if we ignore their quiet pleas for help because we're too busy being arrogant about adult superiority to listen?

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I reject your ageist judgement.

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You're at risk of molesting your kid because you are in a position of power over the kid, the kid can be easily isolated from any source of help or recourse, and you have an aditude of entitlement that says you have the right to do as you see fit and damn anyone who feels you're being abusive. There's a reason an overwhelming majority of child molesters are a parent or step-parent of the child in question.

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Ah, so your threats against your daughters had nothing to do with protecting them, and everything to do with your own control issues. I've got to admit, it's nice to see someone honest about that, at least.

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You're already at a disadvantage in arguing about how fair a parent you are due to the power differential you're operating in. The child is effectively helpless against you, has no ability to escape you, leaving you with a virtually limitless discression in terms of what you chose to do to the child for any or no reason. We've largely abandoned governments structured like that, yet each houshold has its own little despot. Benevolent use of absolute power is rather rare, and what you've said thus far is not suggesting that you are one of those rare few.

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Violence is precisely the right word. How do you think guardians enforce their decisions on the child?

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But no matter what path you're on, or how capable you are, you get treated as the exact same piece of subhuman chattel.

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Well, if you're a teen, doesn't that mean that because I'm an adult, I'm inherently superior to you, and you should just shut up and accept that I'm right and you're wrong? Just to go with your logic, mind you.

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Again, you misread. This isn't about concern for his daughter. It's about stonewalling a suitor he doesn't like in the hopes someone better will come along. Also, it's about ensuring Paris knows who's boss, and he's using his daughter's marriage as a way to win a d**k waving contest. It's all about control.

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Likewise, the urge to look down on those young whipper snappers is also irrational bias. Just saying.

I fail to see how these statements were NOT the result of you taking things too seriously.

Too seriously? M'boy, logical, reasoned arguments can never be too serious.

[Dr Rotinaj]

I believe kids should have all the privacy they want 'cuz it's the kids' business and not the parents.

[Scarleteye]

well, i'm not really a parent but i believe that the result of some kids running away, cuicide, and other things are because of lack of privacy. their parents might just force them to tell them everything that's going on in their daily lives. that's just so... invasive. i value my privacy. although, sometimes i like to talk to my parents and friends about things that are bugging me and that i can't make sense of. for example: a couple weeks ago, i was secretly going to ask my brother a question about one of his friends. then along came my mom and forced me to tell her because she thought that we might have been doing things that weren't exactly very good. i was so mad! and to those of you who also feel bad, i feel your pain and there are others out there as well that are in the same boat you are. tell those invaders how you really feel about privacy. it'll help. heart

[DJ Katsuo]

Demon of the 18th Shadow

DJ Katsuo

Demon of the 18th Shadow

DJ Katsuo

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Yes, lobying for people to be treated the same is sooooo biaed against the class of people who aren't being actively opressed. rolleyes

By ALL adults? Seriously, I can't believe I actually thought we were past this! Well I suppose it's not like others haven't tried with you either...

Again, did I say that? No.

I'm not saying kids aren't being oppressed, but you don't win sympathy by slandering adults you deem abusive, just because your idea of abuse is stricter than theirs. Oh and here's something else for you.

I call it like I see it. I make no apologies for that.

DJ Katsuo

Herald of Lies

Lord Setar

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And it's not an invasion of privacy when you live in their house.

So minors are not afforded the same privacy that adults are? Why the discrimination?

She never said it was dependant on their status as minors.

And it isn't. It doesn't matter how old you are, if it isn't your house, it's not your call. I didn't see you address this in any of your posts.

Has something to do with it being a bald faced lie. Adults are protected in their documents and posessions by this little thing we call "property rights". Just because you are in someone's house, you don't give up the right to keep your property.

This ignores the even more obvious point, which is that the minor has no choice but to remain in the house. It isn't a voluntary arrangment. A minor who attempts to leave will be dragged back forcably by the police. That's the function of the fugitive slave runaway return laws.

That's assuming the cops are able to locate them, then catch them. My Father wandered off when he was 4, his Mother sent the cops out to look for him. An officer located him and asked him to get in the car. Dad told him he didn't get in with strangers. Cop didn't touch him. He followed close by until Dad went back home on his own, then left. Not a word otherwise.

He wasn't even making a break for it either. He'd just got 20 dollars for his birthday and wanted to go out and buy toys. If the cop had wanted to grab him, he would've tried, thus scaring the kid, instead of him being comfortable enough to go about his business with the cop car following.

Besides, even if the cops haul the kid back, it's not always because the parents were abusive. Lots of them are spoiled so they run away when they don't get what they want. Like that XBox kid, but he never got caught. He fell out of a tree and died before anyone found him.

Also, when you have a kid, they get into your crap too, they get away with all sorts of abuse. But it's okay for them.

Crayons on wall - Vandalism
Playing with stove - Arson
Using parents'/siblings' stuff without asking - Theft
Flushing toys & clogging toilet - Vandalism
Pulling ears/tail of pet - Animal abuse
Ripping out earrings - Assault
Pulling on face - Assault
Grabbing glasses - Theft
Crying all night & preventing sleep - Mental cruelty
Breaking parents'/siblings' stuff - Vandalism
Urinating/Passing waste on floor, furniture, or parents - Vandalism, Harassment

You were talking about what's not okay to do to adults not being okay to do to kids? Consider what they do and get away with because they're kids. Adults would be criminally charged.

Parents don't get much privacy to begin with. Kids are always running in on them, wanting attention. Makes it hard to have alone time with your spousse.

[De Kelley III]

Every human being deserves that right. They need to feel they have something that is only their's. If they're suicidal or something, there's usually other signs that don't require a parent raving their things to find out about it.

[Pound_Of_Octane]

Nope. Children does not deserve privacy. Children's privacy is not a right, its a privilege. If the parents respect their privacy, fine. But by no means are they entitled to it.

[HelloNoora]

Sadly, my children have had lots of piracy. pirate