[ Poll ] One Gunman shouts Allah Akbar! Before shooting 43 people.

America Muslims in the military should be:

Let go. We can no longer trust them with guns and authority.		4.7%	[ 8 ]
Screened for interest in radical forms of Islam.		15.7%	[ 27 ]
Screened and profile in more than one way..		7.0%	[ 12 ]
Just ignore them.		1.2%	[ 2 ]
Muslim service men and women are just like anyone else.		59.3%	[ 102 ]
They should be singled out for further training together with psychiatric evaluations.		2.9%	[ 5 ]
More than once answer from above.		9.3%	[ 16 ]

Total Votes: 172

[TagraNar]

Ubasti

Ask me about Africa. I'm tired of making a fool of myself with my limited knowledge on the Middle East.

sweatdrop I just think saying Muslims are a vital part of the mission as interpreters is a faulty comment, because being Muslim does not necessarily equate to speaking the language of whatever region you are deployed to.

The only reason I know what Afghanis speak is because of family.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

Tagra: It has more to do with the ability to speak Arabic and read it than it does about religion. I think that's what Ubasti is getting at.

[DakiDaki]

Let's put it this way, if a enlisted man snaps and shouts "Jesus loves you!" just before showering his comrades with lead, there would not be comments, rants, and general hysteria over his religion, because we'd know he was a crazy ********.

OTOH, if a Muslim so much as sneezes and gives somebody the flu, you'd have loudmouths coming out of the woodwork saying that Islam is a religion of violence and that ALL Muslims are untrustworthy terrorists in the making. Gods, I hate my country sometimes.

[Ubasti]

xLady Tsukiyox

Tagra: It has more to do with the ability to speak Arabic and read it than it does about religion. I think that's what Ubasti is getting at.

No, I made a dumb, uneducated comment. That's all. I should know better.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

Me, my friend Lupis and my dad were talking about it last night (on separate occassions) and we all think something is up with it. This was pre-meditated but I don't think he was a terrorist insurgent. Just someone who got fed up with the prejudice he was receiving from other individuals and he just lost it. This screams Columbine all over it. The whole "he screamed Allah Akbar" seems to be a prejuidiced message trying to claim that this guy is a terrorist. When it's the opposite. He was also a psychiatrist.

I don't know about you, but if I were a psychiatrist in the Army, and were to hear horror stories from soldiers returning home from both Iraq and Afghanistan, I would be more devote. Even more so, if I were to be sent to both places.

In Vietnam, from what I read on the Newsvine boards is that the army sent less Vietnamese soldiers there because they fear that there might be insurgents. Whether it's a good idea to do the same is unknown. However it is quite clear that our troops need to be home.

I'm going to wait for more information on this incident before I make any more speculations. Like I said, chances are he probably didn't say Allah Akbar. And it's best not to assume that he did. I have a friend at Fort Hood, I hope he wasn't involved and I hope he can give some insight and viable proof.

In the mean time, my thoughts and prayers are going out to the families of the victims and the family of the Major.

[TagraNar]

xLady Tsukiyox

Tagra: It has more to do with the ability to speak Arabic and read it than it does about religion. I think that's what Ubasti is getting at.

Which I'm saying doesn't make one vital in Afghanistan, because they don't speak Arabic there as a primary language. From what I understand of Islam, they don't like translating it into another language, because it loses part of its meaning in doing so. So, if we assume that American Muslims are practicing in that manner, they'd know Arabic. This doesn't make them vital in Afghanistan, but could make them vital in Iraq. Depending on their numbers in the military, of course. Making up a majority of the interpreters would make them vital. Being only a handful makes them a huge help, but not necessarily vital.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

TagraNar

xLady Tsukiyox

Tagra: It has more to do with the ability to speak Arabic and read it than it does about religion. I think that's what Ubasti is getting at.

Which I'm saying doesn't make one vital in Afghanistan, because they don't speak Arabic there as a primary language. From what I understand of Islam, they don't like translating it into another language, because it loses part of its meaning in doing so. So, if we assume that American Muslims are practicing in that manner, they'd know Arabic. This doesn't make them vital in Afghanistan, but could make them vital in Iraq. Depending on their numbers in the military, of course. Making up a majority of the interpreters would make them vital. Being only a handful makes them a huge help, but not necessarily vital.

When it comes to their holy books.

[TagraNar]

xLady Tsukiyox

When it comes to their holy books.

Yes, that's what I meant by "it." ^^; That was my bad for not completing the thought.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

TagraNar

xLady Tsukiyox

When it comes to their holy books.

Yes, that's what I meant by "it." ^^; That was my bad for not completing the thought.

However military translators are translating for the Army soldiers speaking to the military personel over there (ie Afghan military, Iraq military) and or the civilans. They aren't translating their holy books.

[La Veuve Zin]

Do you have a source for this, or did you seriously just go by Repellant's post? Because that would put you on a level with the ghetto trolls we've had around here.

Religion doesn't matter, ALL personnel need close, thorough, stringent psychological screenings. Muslims in the military don't bother me nearly as much as Neo-Nazis.

[xLady Tsukiyox]

La Veuve Zin

Do you have a source for this, or did you seriously just go by Repellant's post? Because that would put you on a level with the ghetto trolls we've had around here.

Religion doesn't matter, ALL personnel need close, thorough, stringent psychological screenings. Muslims in the military don't bother me nearly as much as Neo-Nazis.

No. This was on the Today Show.


Today Show

[TagraNar]

xLady Tsukiyox

However military translators are translating for the Army soldiers speaking to the military personel over there (ie Afghan military, Iraq military) and or the civilans. They aren't translating their holy books.

I never said they were. My comment was that, if they go by the tradition of Islam that does not translate the holy books, the practitioner would have to or likely know Arabic. Assuming they weren't native speakers to begin with. This is about the only connection you can make with Muslims being translators and interpreters, and it still would not make them vital in Afghanistan.

[Yoshihiko]

Well, I'm not American, I'm English and over here there is a big issue between, Blacks, Whites & Muslims; the more Muslim individuals that take part in such acts as they have been, the more the Muslim community gets hassle, and worse in some cases. I personally do not have an issue with Muslims, they have never brought any harm to me or my family so I have no issue ontowards them, I have an issue with the individual Muslims that are doing such dreadful attacks throughout the World; although I dont hate the guys because they are Muslims, I'd hate a Christian or Jew just as much if they did such acts. Muslims shouldn't be taken out of the miltary, thats just too over protective and racist.

[Vice Admiral Romeo Mike]

Does him being a terrible, terrible person make what he said any less true?

[Heartfout]

Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

Does him being a terrible, terrible person make what he said any less true?

Agreed. Let's not drag poor Allah into this.