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they should all turn over to united states law and land. join the u.s. and build bad a** history museums/ libraries dedicated to local native heritage.

no, museums are for dead cultures


Or stolen ones.
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I don't mean to suggest that any of this excuses what was done/is being done to the natives.

Just the opposite. My point is that when that is done to anybody, it is a horrible thing. So many systems/policies around the natives need to be fixed/reformed and a lot of abuses need to be addressed.

However, the fact that this was done to natives by Europeans does not mean that it has never happened to a European group. Albeit, there are few in recent memory (Because if we go back far enough, The Romans ******** everyone over very fiercely.) who rival the natives.


Sure they conquered everywhere, but I think I read somewhere that the Romans tended to leave native cultures and religions well enough alone. I could be wrong though.



Yes and no. Romans were very big on eradicating cultures in the early days of the Empire. They wanted assimilation (that and after war with Carthage they've discovered that they really like destroying s**t). When they conquered Greece, they were so impressed with the tradition and history there - something they painfully lacked and felt the loss - they adapted much of Greek tradition as their own. In later conquests, the empire has expanded so far that true control over what religion is practiced and what language is spoken could not be achieved and neither could full-scale vandalism. The fight to keep the state homogeneous was very successful land very diligent close to home. Christians, if you recall, were hardly loved till Constantine. An exception to the rule are the British Isles where the culture of its people was systematically and successfully destroyed. But, in fairness, there wasn't much of a culture to eradicate at that time, at least when you compare it to that of Mediterranean and the Fertile Crescent.

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Yea we actually had a university class that actually dealt with the issues of the aboriginals and honestly, it's pretty ridiculous.

The Aboriginals don't even own their own ******** land, it's all crown land which is required to be regulated and controlled by the state.

The funds they receive are less than the average Canadian for the exact same thing, be it for healthcare, schooling, welfare, etc.
One of the things they should ATLEAST be getting is the same treatment as every day Canadians.

The reservations are falling apart and I think it's time the land was given specifically to the bands to do as they please.

They also deserve their proper treaty rights which they were guaranteed in the treaties that they signed.

Don't take my word for it, take former Prime Minister Paul Martin's instead.


My half sister is native, and I have some native friends.
They have it easy.
My sister has full insurance, everything for her is pretty well paid for.
My friend is going to school on the governments coin. She is literally being paid by the government to go to University.
I don't think we owe this generation of Native Americans anything.
I think everyone, at this point, needs to be equal.
The reservations out where I live are ******** nice, bro.
And the houses are cheap as dirt for them. It's why they can all be drunk and on welfare and live in a two story four bedroom home.


They have it easy, except for the fact everyone considers them lazy ********, useless for everything. neutral


Because they're spoiled.
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Big mistake, on both sides

American indians need to learn that they must stop discriminating against themselves

What are you talking about?

By staying on reservations

They must learn to integrate themselves into America, like nearly everyone in America has done


When mainstream America will culturally integrate and not merely demand assimilation, you may have a point. But, I understand resistance to the narcissistic attitude that they should drop everything and act as contemporary Europeans because it's "modern."
I think it's a poor attempt to preserve culture and it causes more trouble than it's worth. The money given to native american reservations and the native population seems to have a tendency to be misused. I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of natives in my small town that are on food stamps but they still waste their money. I'm not saying all native americans are prone to the abuse of federal dollars. Rather, it seems to me that programs to compensate for the native americans loses was a poor mistake made by the government. I really want natives to keep their bits of their culture for all that it is worth. There is something to say about tribalism that believing in protecting the land and nature.
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I think it's a poor attempt to preserve culture and it causes more trouble than it's worth. The money given to native american reservations and the native population seems to have a tendency to be misused. I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of natives in my small town that are on food stamps but they still waste their money. I'm not saying all native americans are prone to the abuse of federal dollars. Rather, it seems to me that programs to compensate for the native americans loses was a poor mistake made by the government. I really want natives to keep their bits of their culture for all that it is worth. There is something to say about tribalism that believing in protecting the land and nature.

It wouldn't be such a poor attempt if we gave them even splitsies with federal lands.
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Big mistake, on both sides

American indians need to learn that they must stop discriminating against themselves

What are you talking about?

By staying on reservations

They must learn to integrate themselves into America, like nearly everyone in America has done


When mainstream America will culturally integrate and not merely demand assimilation, you may have a point. But, I understand resistance to the narcissistic attitude that they should drop everything and act as contemporary Europeans because it's "modern."

Damn contemporary Europeans, they're up to something. I can feel it.
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Postscript....

I don't mean to suggest that any of this excuses what was done/is being done to the natives.

Just the opposite. My point is that when that is done to anybody, it is a horrible thing. So many systems/policies around the natives need to be fixed/reformed and a lot of abuses need to be addressed.

However, the fact that this was done to natives by Europeans does not mean that it has never happened to a European group. Albeit, there are few in recent memory (Because if we go back far enough, The Romans ******** everyone over very fiercely.) who rival the natives.


Sure they conquered everywhere, but I think I read somewhere that the Romans tended to leave native cultures and religions well enough alone. I could be wrong though.



Yes and no. Romans were very big on eradicating cultures in the early days of the Empire. They wanted assimilation (that and after war with Carthage they've discovered that they really like destroying s**t). When they conquered Greece, they were so impressed with the tradition and history there - something they painfully lacked and felt the loss - they adapted much of Greek tradition as their own. In later conquests, the empire has expanded so far that true control over what religion is practiced and what language is spoken could not be achieved and neither could full-scale vandalism. The fight to keep the state homogeneous was very successful land very diligent close to home. Christians, if you recall, were hardly loved till Constantine. An exception to the rule are the British Isles where the culture of its people was systematically and successfully destroyed. But, in fairness, there wasn't much of a culture to eradicate at that time, at least when you compare it to that of Mediterranean and the Fertile Crescent.

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But remember that they did not often 'destroy s**t' for no reason at all, even if from a modern perspective the reasons would be solvable by discussion and negotiation; that was not the Roman mindset. They did have a culture of their own, but it was primarily a combination of Latin and Etruscan influences from their tribal origins - it was not concrete or truly centralised, which is what the Greece culture did when it was taken over. The control over the religion was not always that. The Romans, at least by the time of the Imperators, practiced tolerance; so long as you swore loyalty to the Imperator, paid your taxes and did not try and intentionally disrupt anything, many imported religions and cults were permitted. The only two I can think of that significantly caused any sort of issues was that of the Magna Mater, whose priests would and could turn to ritual castration, and that of Dionysus. Otherwise, Rome was often willing to add foreign gods to their pantheon or tolerated 'extras', as in the case of Mithras, which became rapidly popular amongst those in the military.

In the case of Britain, some of the culture assimilating/eradicating was actually voluntary by some tribes, who either through fear or willingness saw Rome as offering a better structure and standard of living, hence the Romano-British. The main thing that was eradicated, was the societal-religious control of the Druids, which is why thanks to Iulius Caesar, the only written records are in his Commentaries.

Rome tolerated other cultures, so long as they were obedient. Or as the saying goes that I tell the public during re-enacting; 'When it came to war, the solution was simple. Do you want to be Roman, or do you want to be dead?'. There were exceptions to the rule of tolerating native worship of their indigenous gods, but in many provinces, there was integration to encourage native obedience while not sufficiently alienating them enough to incite rebellion.
So this white family goes to this new Native American restaurant it's a really nice place. The greeter at the door tells them their reservation is ready. The husband say but we didn't have one... No problem sir one has been provided for you complements of our restaurant. A waiter comes and then escorts the family through the restaurant and through a door. There in the alley sits a table. The waiter tells the family I will be your waiter if you need anything I will be around when ever it's convenient for me please don't leave your table.
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i personally think that the US are being really generous to the native american, right now. Although preserving the culture is good... i think its unfair that they can get more benefits than some other Americans.
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i think its unfair that they can get more benefits than some other Americans.
I feel that it's unfair that they're not getting enough benefits as other Americans.
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i think its unfair that they can get more benefits than some other Americans.
I feel that it's unfair that they're not getting enough benefits as other Americans.

well, they are kind of like Americans, but the Government can really have much control in the native reservation ... like tax. When we want government help, they need our tax money.
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i think its unfair that they can get more benefits than some other Americans.
I feel that it's unfair that they're not getting enough benefits as other Americans.

well, they are kind of like Americans, but the Government can really have much control in the native reservation ... like tax. When we want government help, they need our tax money.
That's what tends to happen when big, self-important white people kill most of you with disease and war, take your home away, then trade you and your future generations the worst parcels of land in the country, limited education, and limited food supplies.

When you, your grandparents, your grandparents' parents and so forth have all been nomads, hunters, and fishermen for thousands of years, and your societal structure is completely different-- you're gonna have a bad time. That is, if you're not shot dead or wiped out by disease first.

When your lake runs dry, you run out of game, or it marches off your tiny a** reservation, you can't exactly just waltz over to your new white neighbor's self proclaimed land and kill more. Bear in mind that not all settlers were friendly or helpful-- in fact, the opposite was true in most cases, and many who tried to hunt outside their reservation were shot on sight. Natives were considered by most whites as inferior, disgusting, savage--little more than a nuisance and many would be driven away with violence and even primitive forms of biological warfare like blankets addled with influenza or smallpox. Historically speaking, it often takes a very long time to recover any sort of national or fiscal independence from the defeat side of a war, and when you actually break it down, this was several wars and several defeats over several generations. It hasn't even been much more than a hundred years for some of this stuff-- hell, we're barely even into a new century.

You also can't lump tribes all into one homogeneous "Native American" category. They are all governed and regulated in different ways. Some have received better treatment or just plain better luck than others. It's important to look at the big picture here. The current state of reservations is an enormous problem, yes, but unfortunately, it's not something so simple that money alone can solve. The treaties were designed to provide some monetary and physical compensation (barely) for the lands and homes taken from the free peoples. That's all. But, as they say, there are some things that money just can't buy-- cultural identity, religious freedom, and the lives of millions are some of those things. The tribes are still recovering. Crime, drugs, and lack of education are major problems on many reservations, but most of them lack the resources and money to address it. I can't say what the future will hold or what the right answer will be.

Sadly, it's a lot more complicated than I care to spend more time explaining, but there are some excellent documentaries on events like the Trail of Tears, Smallpox extinctions, and the arrival of Europeans to the Americas that might better help you understand why things are the way they are. Crash Course World history also does a wonderful little segment on the Colombian Exchange (Which you can draw parallels with) and Native Americans..
I live in Canada, and here it is a system that has failed itself. This will be long, and it may be considered rather controversial.


In the very beginning of North America, there was corruption in the relationship between the Native People. There was massive amounts of Competition between the French, Spanish, Portuguese, and British, they frequently warred over the land, and the relationship with various tribes varied in connection to the Europeans.

There were trades between for various spices, goods, services and drugs. There was very little exchange between either party of the health problems associated with the use of one another's drugs. There was no explanation of the use of Coca, or Tobacco, or Alcohol. In Canada, you see that by the masses of white smokers and native alcoholics.

While tobacco at the time was not interfering social function, alcohol was. Now, if societally, everyone is a drunk, things don't work out too well- you will have chiefs not properly accounting for funding that comes from non-native Canadian taxpayer's pockets.

At this point in time, smoking is being banned in various places (in Ontario, there are no "smoking tables" at restaurants, and smoking is banned within 9 meters (29.5 feet) of any public institution, or store, not limited to even dump trucks. And the native population have made massive progress in the issues with drugs and alcohol, but that has yet to affect their system. In many tribes, there is NO accountability held, and even hard working people end up homeless, due to lack of housing.

tl;dr: They are literally committing societal suicide, and the native people are Canadians, too. There comes a point where intervention is the only option. Our treaties do not reflect current day society. They want to speak with the Queen; and we've cut off all ties. She won't talk to them.

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