nakedness and children

[Hepzeba]

PC Angel Troll

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

A man with such sweet kittens in his signature should be all sugar and no sour, don't you think?

I Walk the Path of Our Lord and Follow His Will. I Will Rejoice in What He Rejoices In and Reject What He Rejects In The Hopes of Reaching His Kingdom.

I think the Lord made our bodies with great fondness. I think to share such a divine creation with someone is to share God with that person.

Back Ye Pox Weeviled Pugnet! Back I Say! Thou Shall Not Corrupt Me! I Will Remain Strong For My Lord Thou Foul Blasphemer.

You tell 'em, Angel Troll. Does this incarnaton mean that you have passed on? No puns intended.

[Kilomech]

Hepzeba

Kilomech

Hepzeba

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How am I going to have problems with my child? Because I'm not going to breastfeed him past a year and am not going to just remove my pants and have a bowel movement in front of him? I'm not sure how this could possibly cause him to end up having problems later on in life.

These are all bad signs that you do not have a naturalistic appreciation of the human body. Also, another important thing to the success of potty training is to never tell your child his poo is stinky. He is not going to want to "give you his poo" in the toilet if you shame him about it in anyway.

Why would I shame my child into feeling bad about pooping in the toilet?

And I appreciate the human body. I just believe there is a limit to how late in one's life one should be breastfed and I believe that a child can learn to use the toilet without first seeing mommy or daddy do it.

Nor did I say you would shame him for releasing his bowels into the toilet. What I am saying is that your general inability to release your bowels in the presence of your own child is a very bad sign to me that you have negative feelings about this. It is not impossible to toilet train children even in the most horrendous ways because eventually children will use the toilet, as I have stated earlier. What is at risk here is your core foundational relationship with your child.

Breastfeeding for as long as I did it not necessary. I concede that it isn't.

There is nothing abnormal about pooping. Everybody does it. I just can't do it if someone is watching or listening.

It was how I was potty trained and I got it down before I hit preschool at age three. I'm guessing around age two, if my memory serves me correctly. The fact that I had accidents (wet the bed or my pants) was not a result of me not understanding how a toilet worked, it was a result of me being way too shy to tell anyone I had to use the bathroom or holding it in until I couldn't stand up. I have a very weak bladder as a result of this and to this day, when I gotta go I GOTTA GO. If a child refuses to use the toilet by age three, it's likely not because they don't know how, it's likely because, for some reason, they just don't want to.

[Albany King]

Hepzeba

Sharing your child as a gift of God is only going to be good if the person is actually in a position to appreciate your child. Men who are coming for a booty call are going to say, "cute kid" but that is not going to be the reason they are coming to call.

That's not what I meant at all, but I'll roll with it.

I would never have sex with an anonymous person while my children were around. I choose to sleep with men and women I feel comfortable with, which usually means we are already close friends. Hopefully, should I have children in the future, my close friends will at least play minor roles in their lives.

[Cheshire6]

Death and Misery

Cheshire6

Lol, nope. Actually grades are an irrelevant (ask a teacher), they don't condition anything in a child nor do they determine or motivate more than 15% of children to learn or study.

Actually grades aren't meant to condition you to study. You clearly didn't pick up what I just said, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing a claim no one made. A through F dictate how well you do; if you get an F you think "I did bad", if you get an A you think "I did well". That's the conditioning.

That's just it, it doesn't. On average your ability to regenerate facts does not determine anything about how much you have learned, Intro to Teaching 101. Either way, that's still not a conditioned response since it has to be learned =P

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Which shows you have no idea what conditioning is. :[

I was just about to say the same to you, since your own definitions and examples contradict each other. For instance, a child would have to be taught that grades hold any inherent value, which by your own admittance earlier would be an operational, since it's not inherent like pain.

[Hepzeba]

Olya

Hepzeba

Olya

Kilomech

Olya

Kilomech

While all mentally handicapped people start out as children, not all children start out as mentally handicapped people.

And just what is his point? That children can't learn something unless they're first shown how to do it? That's bullshit and you should know it.

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

I'm sorry, I just found that statement funny.

Here's an example. Mommy and daddy are sitting quietly and reading magazines. Three-year old is yelling off the top of his/her lungs. Why isn't the three year old copying the parents? How about at restaurants? Why do so many kids refuse to mimic their parent's behaviour?

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

...yeah?

Children cry out for attention. This happens.

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

A child refusing to potty train may also be a cry out for attention. Point?

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

The worst possible scenario is to get into a power struggle with your child about toileting. The WORST possible. If a child is refusing, then you simply allow him or her to remain in diapers. No child of sixteen is still wearing a diaper, baring some kind of somatic disability.

If you do it my way, they will be toiilet trained circa age two. If you don't you might be giving your child his first bad memories and hatred toward you that will upset him the rest of his life. Also you will be changing pooey diapers until he is going on five instead of breast feeding him.

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

So, you're agreeing with me that a child will not always mimic parent's behaviour even if by mimicking it there is something to be gained. So, what are we arguing about?

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

I would never quarrel with one so dear. You may do it as you like. Just ignore me.

[Albany King]

PC Angel Troll

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

A man with such sweet kittens in his signature should be all sugar and no sour, don't you think?

I Walk the Path of Our Lord and Follow His Will. I Will Rejoice in What He Rejoices In and Reject What He Rejects In The Hopes of Reaching His Kingdom.

I think the Lord made our bodies with great fondness. I think to share such a divine creation with someone is to share God with that person.

Back Ye Pox Weeviled Pugnet! Back I Say! Thou Shall Not Corrupt Me! I Will Remain Strong For My Lord Thou Foul Blasphemer.

It would suck if you got up there and Jesus was all "damn n***a, why you such a prude?"

[Hepzeba]

Albany King

Hepzeba

Sharing your child as a gift of God is only going to be good if the person is actually in a position to appreciate your child. Men who are coming for a booty call are going to say, "cute kid" but that is not going to be the reason they are coming to call.

That's not what I meant at all, but I'll roll with it.

I would never have sex with an anonymous person while my children were around. I choose to sleep with men and women I feel comfortable with, which usually means we are already close friends. Hopefully, should I have children in the future, my close friends will at least play minor roles in their lives.

Phew! You do not have children as of yet. Something weird happens to our minds when we have children and plans that we thought we would carry out IRL change radically when we look at our helpless infant and bond with her.

You will no doubt turn into a lioness of protective feelings!

[I got bored one day]

Cheshire6

That's just it, it doesn't. On average your ability to regenerate facts does not determine anything about how much you have learned, Intro to Teaching 101. Either way, that's still not a conditioned response since it has to be learned =P

... Conditioning is a method of learning. Of course it has to be learned. It becomes automatic. If your teacher suddenly told you that they will write "R" for passing and "Y" for failing on your papers you'd assimilate rapidly that R = Good and B = Bad. You're either being a troll, or you're making it more complex than it actually is. I'm actually hoping it's the first, because redirecting overcomplications is hard.

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I was just about to say the same to you, since your own definitions and examples contradict each other. For instance, a child would have to be taught that grades hold any inherent value, which by your own admittance earlier would be an operational, since it's not inherent like pain.

Actually it's the happiness or sadness that's the steady device. You are generally happy, with or without external praise, when you do well at something. Crazy, huh?

[Hepzeba]

Kilomech

Hepzeba

Kilomech

Hepzeba

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How am I going to have problems with my child? Because I'm not going to breastfeed him past a year and am not going to just remove my pants and have a bowel movement in front of him? I'm not sure how this could possibly cause him to end up having problems later on in life.

These are all bad signs that you do not have a naturalistic appreciation of the human body. Also, another important thing to the success of potty training is to never tell your child his poo is stinky. He is not going to want to "give you his poo" in the toilet if you shame him about it in anyway.

Why would I shame my child into feeling bad about pooping in the toilet?

And I appreciate the human body. I just believe there is a limit to how late in one's life one should be breastfed and I believe that a child can learn to use the toilet without first seeing mommy or daddy do it.

Nor did I say you would shame him for releasing his bowels into the toilet. What I am saying is that your general inability to release your bowels in the presence of your own child is a very bad sign to me that you have negative feelings about this. It is not impossible to toilet train children even in the most horrendous ways because eventually children will use the toilet, as I have stated earlier. What is at risk here is your core foundational relationship with your child.

Breastfeeding for as long as I did it not necessary. I concede that it isn't.

There is nothing abnormal about pooping. Everybody does it. I just can't do it if someone is watching or listening.

It was how I was potty trained and I got it down before I hit preschool at age three. I'm guessing around age two, if my memory serves me correctly. The fact that I had accidents (wet the bed or my pants) was not a result of me not understanding how a toilet worked, it was a result of me being way too shy to tell anyone I had to use the bathroom or holding it in until I couldn't stand up. I have a very weak bladder as a result of this and to this day, when I gotta go I GOTTA GO. If a child refuses to use the toilet by age three, it's likely not because they don't know how, it's likely because, for some reason, they just don't want to.

My children never had accidents because their culture shift to toileting was their own decision and not bribed, manipulated or coerced even gently.

[Albany King]

Hepzeba

Albany King

Hepzeba

Sharing your child as a gift of God is only going to be good if the person is actually in a position to appreciate your child. Men who are coming for a booty call are going to say, "cute kid" but that is not going to be the reason they are coming to call.

That's not what I meant at all, but I'll roll with it.

I would never have sex with an anonymous person while my children were around. I choose to sleep with men and women I feel comfortable with, which usually means we are already close friends. Hopefully, should I have children in the future, my close friends will at least play minor roles in their lives.

Phew! You do not have children as of yet. Something weird happens to our minds when we have children and plans that we thought we would carry out IRL change radically when we look at our helpless infant and bond with her.

You will no doubt turn into a lioness of protective feelings!

I imagine something like that will happen. I am already a bit protective about my male friends. Their new lady friends go through a tough yet fair screening process in order to be deemed "good enough" for my little pumpkins.

...I am a weirdo. Q_Q

[Hepzeba]

Kilomech, have you ever stopped to think why you cannot have a bowel movement with someone present? or why it is you use infantile expressions about this natural function?

[Albany King]

Death and Misery

Actually it's the happiness or sadness that's the steady device. You are generally happy, with or without external praise, when you do well at something. Crazy, huh?

Oh god... this cupcake... IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL? WHY DO I HAVE TO MAKE SUCH BEAUTIFUL CUPCAKES. I MAY AS WELL JUST PUT MYSELF IN THE OVEN AND DIE.

[I got bored one day]

Albany King

Death and Misery

Actually it's the happiness or sadness that's the steady device. You are generally happy, with or without external praise, when you do well at something. Crazy, huh?

Oh god... this cupcake... IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL? WHY DO I HAVE TO MAKE SUCH BEAUTIFUL CUPCAKES. I MAY AS WELL JUST PUT MYSELF IN THE OVEN AND DIE.

I stand behind that suggestion.

[Hepzeba]

Albany King

Hepzeba

Albany King

Hepzeba

Sharing your child as a gift of God is only going to be good if the person is actually in a position to appreciate your child. Men who are coming for a booty call are going to say, "cute kid" but that is not going to be the reason they are coming to call.

That's not what I meant at all, but I'll roll with it.

I would never have sex with an anonymous person while my children were around. I choose to sleep with men and women I feel comfortable with, which usually means we are already close friends. Hopefully, should I have children in the future, my close friends will at least play minor roles in their lives.

Phew! You do not have children as of yet. Something weird happens to our minds when we have children and plans that we thought we would carry out IRL change radically when we look at our helpless infant and bond with her.

You will no doubt turn into a lioness of protective feelings!

I imagine something like that will happen. I am already a bit protective about my male friends. Their new lady friends go through a tough yet fair screening process in order to be deemed "good enough" for my little pumpkins.

...I am a weirdo. Q_Q

Your child will be an entirely different and unique person than are you and this will require that you adapt to who this person is and relate to his or her learning style and needs. If you do not respond to his/her needs and put your sex life ahead of your child's development you will have unexpected headaches and behavior problems all down the line.

Please consider this deeply before you have a family. If possible secure a single mate to parent your children with you through life.

[Kilomech]

Hepzeba

Kilomech

Hepzeba

Kilomech

Hepzeba

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How am I going to have problems with my child? Because I'm not going to breastfeed him past a year and am not going to just remove my pants and have a bowel movement in front of him? I'm not sure how this could possibly cause him to end up having problems later on in life.

These are all bad signs that you do not have a naturalistic appreciation of the human body. Also, another important thing to the success of potty training is to never tell your child his poo is stinky. He is not going to want to "give you his poo" in the toilet if you shame him about it in anyway.

Why would I shame my child into feeling bad about pooping in the toilet?

And I appreciate the human body. I just believe there is a limit to how late in one's life one should be breastfed and I believe that a child can learn to use the toilet without first seeing mommy or daddy do it.

Nor did I say you would shame him for releasing his bowels into the toilet. What I am saying is that your general inability to release your bowels in the presence of your own child is a very bad sign to me that you have negative feelings about this. It is not impossible to toilet train children even in the most horrendous ways because eventually children will use the toilet, as I have stated earlier. What is at risk here is your core foundational relationship with your child.

Breastfeeding for as long as I did it not necessary. I concede that it isn't.

There is nothing abnormal about pooping. Everybody does it. I just can't do it if someone is watching or listening.

It was how I was potty trained and I got it down before I hit preschool at age three. I'm guessing around age two, if my memory serves me correctly. The fact that I had accidents (wet the bed or my pants) was not a result of me not understanding how a toilet worked, it was a result of me being way too shy to tell anyone I had to use the bathroom or holding it in until I couldn't stand up. I have a very weak bladder as a result of this and to this day, when I gotta go I GOTTA GO. If a child refuses to use the toilet by age three, it's likely not because they don't know how, it's likely because, for some reason, they just don't want to.

My children never had accidents because their culture shift to toileting was their own decision and not bribed, manipulated or coerced even gently.

All right, I get it, I'm weird cause I wet my pants. It's not like I did it on purpose, I just have very poor bladder control. sweatdrop

But I assure you, I did not have them because I was unaware of as to how to use the bathroom or because I refused to do so. Plus it's not my fault that my dad didn't have heating in my room until I was older and I was a very heavy sleeper. sweatdrop