nakedness and children

[Kilomech]

Hepzeba

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How am I going to have problems with my child? Because I'm not going to breastfeed him past a year and am not going to just remove my pants and have a bowel movement in front of him? I'm not sure how this could possibly cause him to end up having problems later on in life.

These are all bad signs that you do not have a naturalistic appreciation of the human body. Also, another important thing to the success of potty training is to never tell your child his poo is stinky. He is not going to want to "give you his poo" in the toilet if you shame him about it in anyway.

Why would I shame my child into feeling bad about pooping in the toilet?

And I appreciate the human body. I just believe there is a limit to how late in one's life one should be breastfed and I believe that a child can learn to use the toilet without first seeing mommy or daddy do it.

[Hepzeba]

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

Apparently puritanism still runs rampant in the old ED where otherwise they decry religion. confused Some of these Gaians are psychologically affected in such perilous ways that I don't even know where to begin to sort out such disorder.

IMO bad potty training is the beginning of a unhappy relationship with your child and the cause of more aggressive resistance to any other kind of conformity than I could even begin to explain on a thread in GAIA.

[Albany King]

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Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

A man with such sweet kittens in his signature should be all sugar and no sour, don't you think?

I Walk the Path of Our Lord and Follow His Will. I Will Rejoice in What He Rejoices In and Reject What He Rejects In The Hopes of Reaching His Kingdom.

I think the Lord made our bodies with great fondness. I think to share such a divine creation with someone is to share God with that person.

[I got bored one day]

Olya

Death and Misery

Cheshire6

Since we're discussing child development, you should at least be ready to discuss its founding principles O.o

Conditioning is actually about learning rather than development. There's a difference. They intermingle but... anyway.

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I get what you are trying to get at, the problem is that that's not a conditioned response, except in the loosest since of the term, since it lacks the true stimulants and a control. On top of that if it was a classical conditioned response you would be able to break it. If I will never touch the stove twice, then I wouldn't be able to break it.

The problem here is that you're ignoring that development occurs. CC works for children, not for adults usually due to heightened reason. I think a chart is in order:

http://missbakersbiologyclasswiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/pavlovdog.jpg/47218219 Courtesy of Wikipedia

Let's talk about something readily understandable: Grades. The letters A through F have no value inherent to your understanding of how well or poorly you did; you are conditioned into the understanding of avoiding F grades and getting A grades by means of Classical Conditioning.

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

OPERANT!

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

I'll raise your claim and ask for an explanation. I don't think playing all the cards in my hand right away makes sense.

[Cheshire6]

Death and Misery

Cheshire6

Since we're discussing child development, you should at least be ready to discuss its founding principles O.o

Conditioning is actually about learning rather than development. There's a difference. They intermingle but... anyway.

When did we stop talking about child development as a whole?

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The problem here is that you're ignoring that development occurs. CC works for children, not for adults usually due to heightened reason. I think a chart is in order:

http://missbakersbiologyclasswiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/pavlovdog.jpg/47218219 Courtesy of Wikipedia

Let's talk about something readily understandable: Grades. The letters A through F have no value inherent to your understanding of how well or poorly you did; you are conditioned into the understanding of avoiding F grades and getting A grades by means of Classical Conditioning.

Lol, nope. Actually grades are an irrelevant (ask a teacher), they don't condition anything in a child nor do they determine or motivate more than 15% of children to learn or study. They don't condition, because unless you have no sense of self desire, you can't be classically conditioned, this is why no one really sticks to it any more. Also, grades are operational at best.

[Hepzeba]

Kilomech

Hepzeba

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How am I going to have problems with my child? Because I'm not going to breastfeed him past a year and am not going to just remove my pants and have a bowel movement in front of him? I'm not sure how this could possibly cause him to end up having problems later on in life.

These are all bad signs that you do not have a naturalistic appreciation of the human body. Also, another important thing to the success of potty training is to never tell your child his poo is stinky. He is not going to want to "give you his poo" in the toilet if you shame him about it in anyway.

Why would I shame my child into feeling bad about pooping in the toilet?

And I appreciate the human body. I just believe there is a limit to how late in one's life one should be breastfed and I believe that a child can learn to use the toilet without first seeing mommy or daddy do it.

Nor did I say you would shame him for releasing his bowels into the toilet. What I am saying is that your general inability to release your bowels in the presence of your own child is a very bad sign to me that you have negative feelings about this. It is not impossible to toilet train children even in the most horrendous ways because eventually children will use the toilet, as I have stated earlier. What is at risk here is your core foundational relationship with your child.

Breastfeeding for as long as I did it not necessary. I concede that it isn't.

[I got bored one day]

Cheshire6

Lol, nope. Actually grades are an irrelevant (ask a teacher), they don't condition anything in a child nor do they determine or motivate more than 15% of children to learn or study.

Actually grades aren't meant to condition you to study. You clearly didn't pick up what I just said, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing a claim no one made. A through F dictate how well you do; if you get an F you think "I did bad", if you get an A you think "I did well". That's the conditioning.

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They don't condition, because unless you have no sense of self desire, you can't be classically conditioned, this is why no one really sticks to it any more. Also, grades are operational at best.

Which shows you have no idea what conditioning is. :[

[Mr Ransom 2]

froggymama89

Is it Ok to be naked around your own children even if you have no sexual intent? what about around babies? What about taking a bath together? What are your thoughts on parents who walk around th house topless, allow their kids to see them go to the restroom, or take baths with their children?

to an extent, yes I have been naked around my son, like changing clothes and stuff

on taking a bath together, I can understand taking a shower with him when he is young, but that should stop around 5, if not before

I walk around the house in my underwear all the time, its not an issue

there is a line between "look at me, I'm naked" and just casually being naked, the human body is not something gross and disgusting, so I do not see a problem with being naked around children

[Hepzeba]

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

A man with such sweet kittens in his signature should be all sugar and no sour, don't you think?

I Walk the Path of Our Lord and Follow His Will. I Will Rejoice in What He Rejoices In and Reject What He Rejects In The Hopes of Reaching His Kingdom.

I think the Lord made our bodies with great fondness. I think to share such a divine creation with someone is to share God with that person.

Sharing your child as a gift of God is only going to be good if the person is actually in a position to appreciate your child. Men who are coming for a booty call are going to say, "cute kid" but that is not going to be the reason they are coming to call.

[I got bored one day]

Olya

Grades don't come simultaneously as you're doing your homework. I already replied to you about this a few pages ago. In fact, grades aren't even a reward. They are a "foreplay" to a reward.

Actually you just disproved it being Operant. Operant conditioning would be "If you get A's you will get [this]." Classical conditioning is "An A is a good grade."

This is getting butchered.

[PC Angel Troll]

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Albany King

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

A man with such sweet kittens in his signature should be all sugar and no sour, don't you think?

I Walk the Path of Our Lord and Follow His Will. I Will Rejoice in What He Rejoices In and Reject What He Rejects In The Hopes of Reaching His Kingdom.

I think the Lord made our bodies with great fondness. I think to share such a divine creation with someone is to share God with that person.

Back Ye Pox Weeviled Pugnet! Back I Say! Thou Shall Not Corrupt Me! I Will Remain Strong For My Lord Thou Foul Blasphemer.

[Hepzeba]

Mr Ransom 2

froggymama89

Is it Ok to be naked around your own children even if you have no sexual intent? what about around babies? What about taking a bath together? What are your thoughts on parents who walk around th house topless, allow their kids to see them go to the restroom, or take baths with their children?

to an extent, yes I have been naked around my son, like changing clothes and stuff

on taking a bath together, I can understand taking a shower with him when he is young, but that should stop around 5, if not before

I walk around the house in my underwear all the time, its not an issue

there is a line between "look at me, I'm naked" and just casually being naked, the human body is not something gross and disgusting, so I do not see a problem with being naked around children.

Bathing with children is more of a mommy thing. Men cannot be blamed for inadvertant erections either. I think swimming naked or hottubbing as a family naked must include the mother and other children. One on one nakey-ness with daddy alone might make dad feel too uncomfortable and those feelings of discomfort do come across to the child.

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Hepzeba

PC Angel Troll

Shame! A Pox Upon Thee for Even Suggesting In Divulging In Such Lewd Conduct. The Lord Hath Provided Us With Such Bodies as a Test. They Are a Testament To Our Weakness and Our Sins And Doth Deserve to BE Hidden And Not Flaunted. The Youth Should Be Spared From Such Scarring And Damning Experiences. A Pox Upon Thee!

Apparently puritanism still runs rampant in the old ED where otherwise they decry religion. confused Some of these Gaians are psychologically affected in such perilous ways that I don't even know where to begin to sort out such disorder.

IMO bad potty training is the beginning of a unhappy relationship with your child and the cause of more aggressive resistance to any other kind of conformity than I could even begin to explain on a thread in GAIA.

Thou Shall Train Thy Child To Excrete Without The Removal Of Dignity. Thy Is Child Is That of God and SHould Not Wander the Land Nude Like a Heathen.