Music: What are we really listening to?

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Leonard Bones McCoy

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Leonard Bones McCoy

Newest music I got was Lady Gaga's "The Fame". It's not necessarily sophisticated but most of her music is relatively clean. In b4 Disco Stick.

Yeah, wen I was younger I was into what was "cool" for the anime crowd. In 2007 I started getting into cult-classic films, which are strill relatively popular, but then I got deeper into more obscure genres and in doing so became more of an "individual". Not on purpose, it's just where my tastes were. Now I'm focusing on sience fiction genres mostly, of any "decade". This actually makes me a bit of a "nerd" now, and less "popular" in some groups. A lot of people hate and resent antone who likes Star Trek, for instance.

I know that not all kids are sponges. I was "good", I didn't have sex until I was 19 because I wanted to be with someone I REALLY cared about, not because I "couldn't get laid," I had offers for sex as young as 16. But the social climate was a little different then too. Just in the last 5 years things have gotten a lot more sexualized.

I sort of like anime, it's less an "omg must se kawaii desu" thing as, "I like this story". Still have my Wolf's Rain series on DVD, and to reminisce about my childhood had a friend burn me some Samurai Jack DVDs. Again, not because I feel I need to, but because on a boring day it's fun to look back at something you once liked. My own tastes are scattered as all hell, but I'm just a very odd person naturally. I like to think I've just expanded my horizons and like to enjoy many different things in life.

It seems most music and pop culture is sexualized. Music, movies, books. I can't remember how many times my sister said she dreamed of Edward, or Jacob, or Sasuke and her doing terrible things. I know people who are a year younger than me, have 2 kids already. A girl I went to elementary school got preggos at 13. Baby at 14. And another at 16. And that's the standard for girls in my neighborhood, I'm the odd one for keeping my V card until I've got a ring on my finger.

But I digress. It seems a lot has really become sexually charged. Not that all people will follow it, but it seems a decent amount of young teens will follow anything with a brand or name behind it.

I was never a KAWAIIDESUNE~! weeaboo. But I was very into anime. I look back and feel kind of stupid, like it was a waste of my childhood.

I jumped into sex pretty quickly once I knew I was with someone I cared about, and who cared about me. I was 19. I didn't care so much about the "marriage vow" or anything, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a simple fling the first time. Now that's long over with, I don't mind casual sex. I just wanted it to mean something the first time and not be a diappointment.

Sex has always been a part of our culture and media, but it is a lot more explicit now. Sure, Shakespeare talked about sex, but he wasn't like, "I'm gonna stick my d**k in yo p***y n***a." He was more implicit rather than explicit.

See, and here I am trying to keep the real big cherry saved for marriage. Foreplay no issue, hands no issue, just want to save full-on sex for honeymoon. Got to save something at least.

And I read something interesting a while back. Books like Dracula are believed, by some, to be a hidden romance novel. A man, penetrating a woman's flesh. Yes it's hidden almost to the point of being some lonely woman's wet dream, but you can sort of see the logic in it.

[Requiem of the Exodus]

Leonard Bones McCoy

Citation needed. I don't think you *know* what you say you know. You sound like you're just speculating.

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Leonard Bones McCoy

You're using the past to undermine the influence of the present. You might want to take psychology before you claim to be an expert on the effect of music on behavior.

I have taken psychology, and last I checked listening to Nirvana didn't come with a Kurt Combain voice telling people to off themselves.
Also, can you tell me where I said, "I'm an expert on music and behavior" please.

Leonard Bones McCoy

Taking music in college only really teaches you the mechanics of music.

History of Music in America, Asia, Africa, and Europe are required, and that involves more then mechanics in music; but the influence it had on culture as well.

Leonard Bones McCoy

Even if you're taking music theory, that's not the same as knowing human psychology. Oh, and I took psychology on the college level. Does that make me more informed? You tell me.

I took college level psychology as well, for an elective, and I'll let you decide how informed you are.

Leonard Bones McCoy

Music doesn't necessarily CREATE behavior, but it can influence it.

A person's past doesn't necessarily CREATE behavior, but it can influence it.
See what I did thar? Now, which do you think is more personal to a person: their past, or their music?

Leonard Bones McCoy

It would be insanity to claim it has no impact.

Please tell me where I said it had no impact, because I believe I said it had less impact then someone's past.

Leonard Bones McCoy

It's data. People make decisions based on information, and subconscious influences change their behavior. My question, however, is how much.

That would require experimentation and studies (that may have been done already), so I can't give a definite #.

[DJ-Anarchy]

If Nascaar is considered a "sport", is it any wonder that the half retarded, easily entertained masses of America love the whore-ish, white trash, unskilled excuses for music that come out nowadays?

[DeForest Kelley]

Requiem of the Exodus

Leonard Bones McCoy

You're using the past to undermine the influence of the present. You might want to take psychology before you claim to be an expert on the effect of music on behavior.

I have taken psychology, and last I checked listening to Nirvana didn't come with a Kurt Combain voice telling people to off themselves.
Also, can you tell me where I said, "I'm an expert on music and behavior" please.

No, but if a person is suicidal, listening to songs about suicide could push them over the edge.
Teenagers are highly sexualized and rebellious. That's something we've observed for thousands of years. Music that is highly rebellious and sexualized could push them over the edge.

That's what your tone implies.

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Leonard Bones McCoy

Taking music in college only really teaches you the mechanics of music.

History of Music in America, Asia, Africa, and Europe are required, and that involves more then mechanics in music; but the influence it had on culture as well.

You said you take music. You didn't specify how far into the curriculum you are, nor did you say it was your major. A lot of people take music on the side.

So you can talk about the "requirements", but have you met them? Are you on your last semester on the way to getting you degree?

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Leonard Bones McCoy

Even if you're taking music theory, that's not the same as knowing human psychology. Oh, and I took psychology on the college level. Does that make me more informed? You tell me.

I took college level psychology as well, for an elective, and I'll let you decide how informed you are.

Yeah, and elective is one thing. Studying it as a major is another (though I didn't finish). Fact is, taking music =/= understanding the psychology of music.

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Leonard Bones McCoy

Music doesn't necessarily CREATE behavior, but it can influence it.

A person's past doesn't necessarily CREATE behavior, but it can influence it.
See what I did thar? Now, which do you think is more personal to a person: their past, or their music?

Okay, I never contradicted that.

What is "more personal" is irrelevant. I'm just talking about behavior influence.

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Leonard Bones McCoy

It would be insanity to claim it has no impact.

Please tell me where I said it had no impact, because I believe I said it had less impact then someone's past.

You undermined it's impact by saying such. I never said it had "more impact" than the past. However, under certain circumstances, with certain sorts of pasts, certain kinds of music can influence certain kinds of behavior.

Stop trying to implicitly strawman my argument.

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Leonard Bones McCoy

It's data. People make decisions based on information, and subconscious influences change their behavior. My question, however, is how much.

That would require experimentation and studies (that may have been done already), so I can't give a definite #.

It could also require the input of others, given this is a discussion and all.

[DeForest Kelley]

DJ-Anarchy

If Nascaar is considered a "sport", is it any wonder that the half retarded, easily entertained masses of America love the whore-ish, white trash, unskilled excuses for music that come out nowadays?

I'm not surprised at all.

Though like I said a few time already, I kind of like this song, purely based on melody and beat. It's a dance song. I pretty much like anything of this genre no matter how trashy the lyrics are.

[DJ-Anarchy]

Leonard Bones McCoy

DJ-Anarchy

If Nascaar is considered a "sport", is it any wonder that the half retarded, easily entertained masses of America love the whore-ish, white trash, unskilled excuses for music that come out nowadays?

I'm not surprised at all.

Though like I said a few time already, I kind of like this song, purely based on melody and beat. It's a dance song. I pretty much like anything of this genre no matter how trashy the lyrics are.

The fact that you like the melody and beat doesn't mean that the singer is talented. Most singers nowadays (not bands) only sing, and the rest of the song is made by the studio. So you enjoy repetitive beats. Who doesn't? The lyrics are still craps.

[DeForest Kelley]

DJ-Anarchy

Leonard Bones McCoy

DJ-Anarchy

If Nascaar is considered a "sport", is it any wonder that the half retarded, easily entertained masses of America love the whore-ish, white trash, unskilled excuses for music that come out nowadays?

I'm not surprised at all.

Though like I said a few time already, I kind of like this song, purely based on melody and beat. It's a dance song. I pretty much like anything of this genre no matter how trashy the lyrics are.

The fact that you like the melody and beat doesn't mean that the singer is talented. Most singers nowadays (not bands) only sing, and the rest of the song is made by the studio. So you enjoy repetitive beats. Who doesn't? The lyrics are still craps.

I didn't disagree with any of this. A musician doesn't need to be talented for the final product to be catchy. A lot of people like Autotune, which doesn't even require the talent of editors in the studio to use effectively, since a lot of it is automatic (hence the name). There actually is a little autotune in this song (in the OP).

In bands, most vocalists are just vocalists. That's their thing. Some of them can also play instruments. Lady Gaga can play the piano extraordinarily well, but you almost never hear it in her songs. She instead takes advantage of the effects that come with a keyboard. I couldn't tell you if she plays all of it, but she does compose a lot of it. A lot of people assume anything that sounds digital was 100% made by a computer.

To enjoy repetitive beats (or repetitive anything, really) is human nature.

[Nines19]

Spellspark

I'm a firm believer that music/videogames/books/tv/movies do not affect children

As a former child who allowed herself to be heavily ******** affected by television, books, and especially music, I have to disagree.

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From a young age, I constantly analyzed the music I was listening to. The first thing out of my mouth nearly every time I heard a song (if I hadn't figured it out myself already) was, "What's it about?" A lot of times nobody told me. A lot of times they didn't know. So I'd pour over the lyrics, and how they were sung, and how the music behind it sounded, and come to my own conclusions.
Compared to some of the known meanings, I've been wrong, but I've been able to say why I thought my interpretation made sense as well.

When I was younger I always shied away from the songs that were about sex, especially the pop and rap songs (because that wasn't "my kind" of music). Now I can honestly say I'm perfectly fine with listening to songs about "bad" things like excessive violence and sex and necrophilia, etc. If the tune is good, the subject matter is less important, although good subject matter plus a good tune makes for an exceptional song, in my book.

I think if we teach kids to try and understand what they're listening to, the other "morals" or whatever that parents are teaching them might kick in and they might go, "Well this is about something bad, so why am I listening to it?"
I do heartily agree that this is the parent's "job," although I think music analyzation classes in school would be pretty damn interesting.

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Also, because I saw it mentioned; I thought "disco stick" was a ******** brilliant euphemism. I'm not a huge fan of that kind of music in general or Gaga in specific, but when I heard that I thought it was fantastic.

[xXRainbow_MelodyXx]

I am 17 and i even believe the new music that is coming out today is vulgar and horrible. That is why i stick to the classic songs. When i went to my thanksgiving party my 5 year old cousin sang the entire song Tik Tok. I was horrified. My cousin is being raised on the ideas of men "touching her junk". When i was her age i related myself to music constantly, and i do not want to see my five year old cousin growing up to relate herself to "smacking men if they are getting too drunk" and "wanting to takes rides on a disco stick".

[xXRainbow_MelodyXx]

Matthaios Dragon

''Beauty Through Order'' Slayer

It's the feel of your blood
As it flows smoothly down my skin
Intoxicating my soul
Immortality, seducing me

Burning in your own hell, which now binds you to me infinitely
Spirits of angels don't weep for you enticing me
Vanity, blood
Left for you to drink

Eternity waits for you
Vanity, blood
Left for you to drink
Eternity waits for you to drink

Frozen in time is the ice flowing in your veins
Are you insane?
At your mercy they suffered while you sat there painless
Vile and shameless

Crowned you are now for the merciless sins
It's the end
Your beauty through order is where blood flows through you
Where it begins

Vanity, blood
Left for you to drink
Eternity waits for you
Vanity blood

Left for you to drink
Eternity waits for you to drink
Young life striped down of all it's dignity
Sliced flesh pours out it's youthfulness

My lust will never be fully quenched
Your screams tell me that you're not prepared to die

[Lead: King]

Creature from hell why can't you see the things I see?
Mirror tells me that you were always meant for me
You are my sacrifice
Blood is the deficit

Biting the flesh, face my sick prelude
Now meet your frozen death
God did not do this
Heated iron bar I will insert inside your c**t

Mistress of cruelty, a name that will not die
You are my sacrifice
Blood is the deficit
Bathing in blood, your heart, your soul, your god

It all belongs to me
God belongs to me
It all belongs to me

[Lead: Hanneman]

Murder is my birthright the bloodline proves aristocracy
Walled in, left for dead, your actions show no hypocrisy
My birthright, is murder
Birthright, murder

Birthright, murder

Good music. Released last year, also, and I believe something on the same album is up for a Grammy, because ******** you pop music.

I agree. I despise pop music Dx

[LeonDecimus]

I ******** love that Slayer got pulled into this.
<^> (-_-) <^>

[DJ-Anarchy]

Nines19

Spellspark

I'm a firm believer that music/videogames/books/tv/movies do not affect children

As a former child who allowed herself to be heavily ******** affected by television, books, and especially music, I have to disagree.

---

From a young age, I constantly analyzed the music I was listening to. The first thing out of my mouth nearly every time I heard a song (if I hadn't figured it out myself already) was, "What's it about?" A lot of times nobody told me. A lot of times they didn't know. So I'd pour over the lyrics, and how they were sung, and how the music behind it sounded, and come to my own conclusions.
Compared to some of the known meanings, I've been wrong, but I've been able to say why I thought my interpretation made sense as well.

When I was younger I always shied away from the songs that were about sex, especially the pop and rap songs (because that wasn't "my kind" of music). Now I can honestly say I'm perfectly fine with listening to songs about "bad" things like excessive violence and sex and necrophilia, etc. If the tune is good, the subject matter is less important, although good subject matter plus a good tune makes for an exceptional song, in my book.

I think if we teach kids to try and understand what they're listening to, the other "morals" or whatever that parents are teaching them might kick in and they might go, "Well this is about something bad, so why am I listening to it?"
I do heartily agree that this is the parent's "job," although I think music analyzation classes in school would be pretty damn interesting.

---

Also, because I saw it mentioned; I thought "disco stick" was a ******** brilliant euphemism. I'm not a huge fan of that kind of music in general or Gaga in specific, but when I heard that I thought it was fantastic.

Um...that sounds like you WEREN'T effected.

[DJ-Anarchy]

Matthaios Dragon

DJ-Anarchy

Nines19

Spellspark

I'm a firm believer that music/videogames/books/tv/movies do not affect children

As a former child who allowed herself to be heavily ******** affected by television, books, and especially music, I have to disagree.

---

From a young age, I constantly analyzed the music I was listening to. The first thing out of my mouth nearly every time I heard a song (if I hadn't figured it out myself already) was, "What's it about?" A lot of times nobody told me. A lot of times they didn't know. So I'd pour over the lyrics, and how they were sung, and how the music behind it sounded, and come to my own conclusions.
Compared to some of the known meanings, I've been wrong, but I've been able to say why I thought my interpretation made sense as well.

When I was younger I always shied away from the songs that were about sex, especially the pop and rap songs (because that wasn't "my kind" of music). Now I can honestly say I'm perfectly fine with listening to songs about "bad" things like excessive violence and sex and necrophilia, etc. If the tune is good, the subject matter is less important, although good subject matter plus a good tune makes for an exceptional song, in my book.

I think if we teach kids to try and understand what they're listening to, the other "morals" or whatever that parents are teaching them might kick in and they might go, "Well this is about something bad, so why am I listening to it?"
I do heartily agree that this is the parent's "job," although I think music analyzation classes in school would be pretty damn interesting.

---

Also, because I saw it mentioned; I thought "disco stick" was a ******** brilliant euphemism. I'm not a huge fan of that kind of music in general or Gaga in specific, but when I heard that I thought it was fantastic.

Um...that sounds like you WEREN'T effected.

No, she just wasn't a blathering c**t about how it affected her. Things can have a positive effect, you know.

Yeah, but she said she listened to music, and actively shied away from things that she felt had a bad message, despite their popularity. That sounds like she isn't greatly effected by music at all and has sound decision making skills.