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I didn't say it was true, I said it was a stereotype.
Hypocritical double standard.


The difference is, you can find an army of bands that break the metal stereotype. There is not a single country band that breaks the stereotype. Big difference.

I'll quote this again, as this guy has none of that heavily-noticeable twang that one hears so much in modern country music. Also, it applies rather aptly to your current argument, which you are losing quite solidly.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run...


You never count your money...when you're sittin' at the table...there'll be time enough for countin'...when the dealin's done.

Sorry, I had to.

No problem. That man gives out good advice. I forget his name, though.
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Electric guitar isn't a stereotype of metal. SCREAMING!!!!!!!!!!!! is a stereotype of metal. ;P
No, it isn't. You don't listen to much Metal, do you? Electric guitars ARE stereotypes for metal, especially when they go heavy on them. SCREAMING is a stereotype of the aptly-name SCREAMO. I know lots and lots of metal where they don't scream. Powerman 5000 is considered metal, and he doesn't scream in most of his songs. Neither does Rob Zombie, or his previous band White Zombie. SOiL doesn't scream much, and Static-X still sings for most of their songs, with only intermittent screaming.

Metallica, Saxon, Manowar (mostly), Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, what I've heard of Venom...

Lotsa metal bands that aren't known for screaming. Black Wing would know more than I, o'course.


Lol, appreciate the props.

Some people actually differentiate "metal" from "heavy metal" in whether or not they use harsh vocals. Metallica USED to scream, up as far as "Ride the Lightning", and maybe a few screams in "Master of Puppets", but after that, they stopped having screaming, and James doesn't scream even THOSE lyrics, anymore. So they wouldn't be HEAVY metal. But clearly still "metal" (specifically, thrash (80's and Death Magnetic) and Alternative (everything else))

I take it those people totally ignore what Manowar decides to call themselves?


Well, it's just a simple way to differentiate, since some people like "metal", but not "HEAVY metal". Basically, some people like Ozzy, Metallica, Volbeat, and so on, but not Lamb of God, Cannibal Corpse, or so on.

It differentiates "singing" metal, from (what my mom has always called) "That screaming s**t". Because they're too diverse, to be classified together, in some peoples' minds.

I was making a joke.
Manowar calls themselves heavy metal in quite a few songs, but AFAIK Joey rarely "screams" and when he does it's more middle-tone than most "heavy metal" bands, so they wouldn't qualify by the standards of the people you're referring to.

(I have quite a fondness for power metal, m'self. Probably the uber-nerd in me that finds a song ten times cooler if it's about a quest to save the world. xd )

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I didn't say it was true, I said it was a stereotype.
Hypocritical double standard.


The difference is, you can find an army of bands that break the metal stereotype. There is not a single country band that breaks the stereotype. Big difference.

I'll quote this again, as this guy has none of that heavily-noticeable twang that one hears so much in modern country music. Also, it applies rather aptly to your current argument, which you are losing quite solidly.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run...


You never count your money...when you're sittin' at the table...there'll be time enough for countin'...when the dealin's done.

Sorry, I had to.

No problem. That man gives out good advice. I forget his name, though.


Kenny Rodgers! smile
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The difference is, you can find an army of bands that break the metal stereotype. There is not a single country band that breaks the stereotype. Big difference.

I'll quote this again, as this guy has none of that heavily-noticeable twang that one hears so much in modern country music. Also, it applies rather aptly to your current argument, which you are losing quite solidly.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run...


You never count your money...when you're sittin' at the table...there'll be time enough for countin'...when the dealin's done.

Sorry, I had to.

No problem. That man gives out good advice. I forget his name, though.


Kenny Rodgers! smile

Ah, of course. Thanks!
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A stereotype of country is the country drawl, and the fact that a country singer SANG a country song with a country drawl DOESN'T count in this argument because....?


Because it's not faked. As much as you want to believe it is.

Trust me, I'm a pretty decent singer, and when I sing along with a country song, my southern drawl comes out, too, because of the way the songs are done, more "speaking" than actually "singing".

Sure, if I sang metal, you'd never guess I was southern, because I have to alter my own voice, to do it, like deepening it, to make the right "gravel throat" effect, and with screaming, and growling, and such.

But country generally involves none of these things.


The REASON they are sung in a particular fashion is BECAUSE they are faked. For example; Mountain Woman. Now I know Tammy Fletcher in real life. She and my mom are old friends. No country drawl in everyday speech. But up on stage? Drawling and twanging like the rest of them. When i asked her "Uh, why did you suddenly develop a country accent?" the answer was roughly "You have too! Its COUNTRY!"


DJ, you know better than that s**t!

One ******** poser, does not speak for the entire genre. Otherwise any Christianity friendly song, could not be classified as black metal, because 1 ******** guy said once that "if you're not praising satan, you're not black metal!"

Yet we have Extol, and plenty of other christian "black metal" bands.

So your mom's friend is a ******** poser.

REAL country artists don't WRITE a drawl into their music, it's just how they sound when they sing it. Other people MIGHT drawl themselves up when they sing it, to copy it (I've done this), but it had not been written specifically to be sang with a southern drawl.


Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...
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Metallica, Saxon, Manowar (mostly), Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, what I've heard of Venom...

Lotsa metal bands that aren't known for screaming. Black Wing would know more than I, o'course.


Lol, appreciate the props.

Some people actually differentiate "metal" from "heavy metal" in whether or not they use harsh vocals. Metallica USED to scream, up as far as "Ride the Lightning", and maybe a few screams in "Master of Puppets", but after that, they stopped having screaming, and James doesn't scream even THOSE lyrics, anymore. So they wouldn't be HEAVY metal. But clearly still "metal" (specifically, thrash (80's and Death Magnetic) and Alternative (everything else))

I take it those people totally ignore what Manowar decides to call themselves?


Well, it's just a simple way to differentiate, since some people like "metal", but not "HEAVY metal". Basically, some people like Ozzy, Metallica, Volbeat, and so on, but not Lamb of God, Cannibal Corpse, or so on.

It differentiates "singing" metal, from (what my mom has always called) "That screaming s**t". Because they're too diverse, to be classified together, in some peoples' minds.

I was making a joke.
Manowar calls themselves heavy metal in quite a few songs, but AFAIK Joey rarely "screams" and when he does it's more middle-tone than most "heavy metal" bands, so they wouldn't qualify by the standards of the people you're referring to.


Well, the fun part about metal, is that the lines are very shakey. That's why most bands are classified in multiple subgenres, like Thrash/Death, or Metal-core (Metal/hardcore), and such.

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(I have quite a fondness for power metal, m'self. Probably the uber-nerd in me that finds a song ten times cooler if it's about a quest to save the world. xd )


Nothing wrong with that. Hell, most of the stuff you hear "non satanic" black metal bands singing about, can be found in Lord of the Rings, and such.

Hell, Shagrath, the singer for Dimmu Borgir, got that very name FROM Lord of the Rings! And I LOVE stuff like that.

(sorry, I'm compelled to do this! Lol!)

"BEHOLDING THE MIGHT!
IN IT'S DAWN OF GRACE!
WITH THE BEAUTY AND LIGHT!
WITH IT'S PRIDE AND GLORY!

RUSHING TORRENT, TIME AND SPACE!
ELDER LORDS, CRACK THE SOIL!
GONE OR DEAD, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN!
KINGDOM COME, HEAR THE ROAR!

CLIMBING DOWN!
TO RULE THE EARTH!

BLOODSHOT EYES! (metal skin!)
SERPENT TOUNGUE! (dagger claws!)
DRAGON WINGS! (crooked horns!)

KING!

(K.I.N.G. - Satyricon)
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The REASON they are sung in a particular fashion is BECAUSE they are faked. For example; Mountain Woman. Now I know Tammy Fletcher in real life. She and my mom are old friends. No country drawl in everyday speech. But up on stage? Drawling and twanging like the rest of them. When i asked her "Uh, why did you suddenly develop a country accent?" the answer was roughly "You have too! Its COUNTRY!"


DJ, you know better than that s**t!

One ******** poser, does not speak for the entire genre. Otherwise any Christianity friendly song, could not be classified as black metal, because 1 ******** guy said once that "if you're not praising satan, you're not black metal!"

Yet we have Extol, and plenty of other christian "black metal" bands.

So your mom's friend is a ******** poser.

REAL country artists don't WRITE a drawl into their music, it's just how they sound when they sing it. Other people MIGHT drawl themselves up when they sing it, to copy it (I've done this), but it had not been written specifically to be sang with a southern drawl.


Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...

That makes them liars, posers, and frauds. I could pull a completely acceptable No True Scotsman here.
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The REASON they are sung in a particular fashion is BECAUSE they are faked. For example; Mountain Woman. Now I know Tammy Fletcher in real life. She and my mom are old friends. No country drawl in everyday speech. But up on stage? Drawling and twanging like the rest of them. When i asked her "Uh, why did you suddenly develop a country accent?" the answer was roughly "You have too! Its COUNTRY!"


DJ, you know better than that s**t!

One ******** poser, does not speak for the entire genre. Otherwise any Christianity friendly song, could not be classified as black metal, because 1 ******** guy said once that "if you're not praising satan, you're not black metal!"

Yet we have Extol, and plenty of other christian "black metal" bands.

So your mom's friend is a ******** poser.

REAL country artists don't WRITE a drawl into their music, it's just how they sound when they sing it. Other people MIGHT drawl themselves up when they sing it, to copy it (I've done this), but it had not been written specifically to be sang with a southern drawl.


Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...


Did you miss the part where I mentioned inheritence? I "shouldn't" have a southern drawl, since I was born and raised in Northern Missouri. But I have one, because my mother, who is from SOUTHERN Missouri, has one. And I got it from her.

I'm sure these people have similar background stories.

Have you heard any of them TALK, without a southern accent?
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The REASON they are sung in a particular fashion is BECAUSE they are faked. For example; Mountain Woman. Now I know Tammy Fletcher in real life. She and my mom are old friends. No country drawl in everyday speech. But up on stage? Drawling and twanging like the rest of them. When i asked her "Uh, why did you suddenly develop a country accent?" the answer was roughly "You have too! Its COUNTRY!"


DJ, you know better than that s**t!

One ******** poser, does not speak for the entire genre. Otherwise any Christianity friendly song, could not be classified as black metal, because 1 ******** guy said once that "if you're not praising satan, you're not black metal!"

Yet we have Extol, and plenty of other christian "black metal" bands.

So your mom's friend is a ******** poser.

REAL country artists don't WRITE a drawl into their music, it's just how they sound when they sing it. Other people MIGHT drawl themselves up when they sing it, to copy it (I've done this), but it had not been written specifically to be sang with a southern drawl.


Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...


Not all have the traditional southern twang, most simply sing in similar tonal qualities.

Also, it is Kenny Rogers, not Rodgers, as there is no D in his name.
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Lol, appreciate the props.

Some people actually differentiate "metal" from "heavy metal" in whether or not they use harsh vocals. Metallica USED to scream, up as far as "Ride the Lightning", and maybe a few screams in "Master of Puppets", but after that, they stopped having screaming, and James doesn't scream even THOSE lyrics, anymore. So they wouldn't be HEAVY metal. But clearly still "metal" (specifically, thrash (80's and Death Magnetic) and Alternative (everything else))

I take it those people totally ignore what Manowar decides to call themselves?


Well, it's just a simple way to differentiate, since some people like "metal", but not "HEAVY metal". Basically, some people like Ozzy, Metallica, Volbeat, and so on, but not Lamb of God, Cannibal Corpse, or so on.

It differentiates "singing" metal, from (what my mom has always called) "That screaming s**t". Because they're too diverse, to be classified together, in some peoples' minds.

I was making a joke.
Manowar calls themselves heavy metal in quite a few songs, but AFAIK Joey rarely "screams" and when he does it's more middle-tone than most "heavy metal" bands, so they wouldn't qualify by the standards of the people you're referring to.


Well, the fun part about metal, is that the lines are very shakey. That's why most bands are classified in multiple subgenres, like Thrash/Death, or Metal-core (Metal/hardcore), and such.

Quote:
(I have quite a fondness for power metal, m'self. Probably the uber-nerd in me that finds a song ten times cooler if it's about a quest to save the world. xd )


Nothing wrong with that. Hell, most of the stuff you hear "non satanic" black metal bands singing about, can be found in Lord of the Rings, and such.

Hell, Shagrath, the singer for Dimmu Borgir, got that very name FROM Lord of the Rings! And I LOVE stuff like that.

(sorry, I'm compelled to do this! Lol!)

"BEHOLDING THE MIGHT!
IN IT'S DAWN OF GRACE!
WITH THE BEAUTY AND LIGHT!
WITH IT'S PRIDE AND GLORY!

RUSHING TORRENT, TIME AND SPACE!
ELDER LORDS, CRACK THE SOIL!
GONE OR DEAD, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN!
KINGDOM COME, HEAR THE ROAR!

CLIMBING DOWN!
TO RULE THE EARTH!

BLOODSHOT EYES! (metal skin!)
SERPENT TOUNGUE! (dagger claws!)
DRAGON WINGS! (crooked horns!)

KING!

(K.I.N.G. - Satyricon)

3nodding There are quite a few bands (more than I would have expected) that use themes from the Dark Tower series, which is my favorite literary work of all time.
So, of course, I find that ******** awesome.
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The REASON they are sung in a particular fashion is BECAUSE they are faked. For example; Mountain Woman. Now I know Tammy Fletcher in real life. She and my mom are old friends. No country drawl in everyday speech. But up on stage? Drawling and twanging like the rest of them. When i asked her "Uh, why did you suddenly develop a country accent?" the answer was roughly "You have too! Its COUNTRY!"


DJ, you know better than that s**t!

One ******** poser, does not speak for the entire genre. Otherwise any Christianity friendly song, could not be classified as black metal, because 1 ******** guy said once that "if you're not praising satan, you're not black metal!"

Yet we have Extol, and plenty of other christian "black metal" bands.

So your mom's friend is a ******** poser.

REAL country artists don't WRITE a drawl into their music, it's just how they sound when they sing it. Other people MIGHT drawl themselves up when they sing it, to copy it (I've done this), but it had not been written specifically to be sang with a southern drawl.


Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...


Did you miss the part where I mentioned inheritence? I "shouldn't" have a southern drawl, since I was born and raised in Northern Missouri. But I have one, because my mother, who is from SOUTHERN Missouri, has one. And I got it from her.

I'm sure these people have similar background stories.

Have you heard any of them TALK, without a southern accent?


rolleyes

Yeah. Canada, New Zealand, Australia...totally have large influx of southerners...

And yes, I have actually.
good music hahaha
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Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...


Did you miss the part where I mentioned inheritence? I "shouldn't" have a southern drawl, since I was born and raised in Northern Missouri. But I have one, because my mother, who is from SOUTHERN Missouri, has one. And I got it from her.

I'm sure these people have similar background stories.

Have you heard any of them TALK, without a southern accent?


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Yeah. Canada, New Zealand, Australia...totally have large influx of southerners...

And yes, I have actually.


Then they're posers. Simple as that.

But that doesn't mean that ALL country singers are such, just because a few are.

Otherwise Will Smith is a poser "rapper", because he wasn't raised in a ghetto (at least, I don't think he was), and he doesn't rap about smackin' bitches, and chillin' with his niggas.
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Of course they don't speak for everyone. But the fact that there ARE no country singers without the drawl brings that statement into serious question to me. For example, if it was only like, 20 guys who had the drawl, and the rest had the accents of wherever they came from, this wouldn't be an issue. However, I have never heard IN MY LIFE a country singer who didn't drawl. This is VERY suspect to the genre itself.


How many country singers have you heard of, that weren't at least raised in a country family?

Look at me, for an example. I was born, and raised, in the NORTH half of Missouri (not quite "southern", and very few people who have Southern drawls), but my mother was born and raised in SOUTH Missouri. LOTS of Southern accented people, including her. I inherited it from her, despite being "northern". Though my accent is kinda watered down, from what you'd get in Tennessee, it's noticeable enough that people I've just met, have asked me when I moved "Up here".

So it's not about where you COME from, but what you're EXPOSED to, when you're actually learning to talk. I learned how to talk, from exposure to my mother, and her southern drawl, and so I inhereted her accent, though slightly watered down, from exposure to "northern folk" around me.

You have no idea what you're talking about, at this point, DJ.


Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...


Did you miss the part where I mentioned inheritence? I "shouldn't" have a southern drawl, since I was born and raised in Northern Missouri. But I have one, because my mother, who is from SOUTHERN Missouri, has one. And I got it from her.

I'm sure these people have similar background stories.

Have you heard any of them TALK, without a southern accent?


rolleyes

Yeah. Canada, New Zealand, Australia...totally have large influx of southerners...

And yes, I have actually.


Then they're posers. Simple as that.

But that doesn't mean that ALL country singers are such, just because a few are.

Otherwise Will Smith is a poser "rapper", because he wasn't raised in a ghetto (at least, I don't think he was), and he doesn't rap about smackin' bitches, and chillin' with his niggas.


I don't doubt that many country singers TALK with a traditional southern accent, due to being raised in an area that has such. It is the singing that I don't agree is natural. And the list provided is to illustrate the fact that country accepts (and in fact rewards) the fake drawl for its audience.

Actually, Will Smith was raised in Wynnefield, West Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S, which, quote "In the mid-1960s, African-Americans became the dominant group and in the mid-1980s, the community became a victim of the crack epidemic, during which violent crimes surged throughout the 1980s, 1990s, and even today in its southern portion, where gangs operate."

So that would make him "gangsta" enough to be a rapper, but a mold breaker in his content. Nothing wrong with that.
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Exactly, you learn your SPEAKING from where you are brought up, but as I have stated before, accents are lost in song. but let us say you are correct for the moment, THAT being the case...

Gary Allan - Born, La Mirada, California, USA
Dierks Bentley - Born, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Clint Black - Born, Long Branch, New Jersey, U.S
Laura Bryna - Born, Mount Airy, Maryland, USA
Terri Clark - Born, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Kristy Lee Cook - Born, Seattle, Washington, U.S
Emerson Drive - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Josh Gracin - Born, Westland, Michigan, USA
Carolyn Dawn Johnson - Born, Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada
Jamie O'Neal - Born, Sydney, Australia
Keith Urban - Born, Whangarei, New Zealand
Chuck Wicks - Born, Smyrna, Delaware, USA

A few examples of VERY famous country singer, raised in areas without the traditional southern country accent. Wonder then, at the fact that ALL of them sing with the drawl...


Did you miss the part where I mentioned inheritence? I "shouldn't" have a southern drawl, since I was born and raised in Northern Missouri. But I have one, because my mother, who is from SOUTHERN Missouri, has one. And I got it from her.

I'm sure these people have similar background stories.

Have you heard any of them TALK, without a southern accent?


rolleyes

Yeah. Canada, New Zealand, Australia...totally have large influx of southerners...

And yes, I have actually.


Then they're posers. Simple as that.

But that doesn't mean that ALL country singers are such, just because a few are.

Otherwise Will Smith is a poser "rapper", because he wasn't raised in a ghetto (at least, I don't think he was), and he doesn't rap about smackin' bitches, and chillin' with his niggas.


I don't doubt that many country singers TALK with a traditional southern accent, due to being raised in an area that has such. It is the singing that I don't agree is natural. And the list provided is to illustrate the fact that country accepts (and in fact rewards) the fake drawl for its audience.


Dude, with country music, the tone generally doesn't stray far from the "speaking" line. Usually not far enough to make the accent disapear, as is the case with the song I posted earlier. He was practically just "talking", through most of it.

Just because some posers "fake it", doesn't mean they ALL do.

Singing country is NOT the same as singing whatever the ******** you'd call Dion's music.

They have about as much in common, as Hard Rock has with Opera.

Now then, at this point, if you don't just accept the facts, then you're just in denial. Trust me when I tell you that I know a LOT more about singing, than you do.

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Actually, Will Smith was raised in Wynnefield, West Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S, which, quote "In the mid-1960s, African-Americans became the dominant group and in the mid-1980s, the community became a victim of the crack epidemic, during which violent crimes surged throughout the 1980s, 1990s, and even today in its southern portion, where gangs operate."

So that would make him "gangsta" enough to be a rapper, but a mold breaker in his content. Nothing wrong with that.


He still breaks the stereotype enough to be classed as a "poser", in my book, based on your standards for country.

Now, I'm not asking you to like country. I'm just asking you to accept that the "southern drawl" is not usually "faked", just because a few choice people tend to be posers.

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