Music: What are we really listening to?

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[Cory Shallow]

A lot of soft country music is darker and appeals to dangerous people, it's just less explicit.
Be thankful that example is so painstakingly low-class.

[Olya]

Spellspark

I'm a firm believer that music/videogames/books/tv/movies do not affect children, and that it is up to the parents to decide what their kids can and can't watch not the state or the schools

Well, it IS the parent's or parents' job. However, the statement that media does not impact individuals is ridiculous. You basically just said that The Communist Manifesto or De Tribus Impostoribus had no impact. Good job!

Now, the content of the media... I don't see what all the hype is about. Virtually nothing has changed over the years. We view media in a very narrow time frame. Yes, 50's and 60's were much more... modest, shall we say? However, go a little before that and it's once again sex, violence, abuse and it keeps going like that all the way to the beginning of written word. The fact that we say today's media is violent and oversexed is probably an indication that the majority of us had no bloody clue what those books in high school were saying.

[DeForest Kelley]

Kem Pet Unsu

Firstly, I have a rather strong hate for most new music. The newest CD I bought was Mika's The Boy Who Knew Too Much, and while it really isn't as happy as it sounds, it's not promoting drinking or suicide or rape.

My younger sister is 13, almost 14. And she is so absolutely terribly impressionable. When Naruto was popular a few years ago, she wanted the Sasuke curse mark on her neck. When Twilight was a hit she was hot in the pants for Edward. She likes what's in right now, despite trying to not fit in with the crowd. Hot Topic junkie, to put it in context.

Now, I have my music. She has her's. I'm pretty tolerant but it's like she'll be blasting screamo and between the sound of men having their little balls twisted I hear some pretty nasty things. She's 13, and since she really doesn't have an original thought in her head I can very easily see her going out and getting laid just because she wants to.

Now, artistic creativity is one thing, but the gangsta life isn't that great. Living in a city where I regularly hear gunshots, have cars broken into and houses tagged with graffiti, I'd be more than happy if some of the rappers and pop artists here would kindly shove a sock in their mouth and stop promoting this s**t, but I don't like altering songs just to make it kid-friendly. It's up to the parents. Which, mine seem not to really care to do and yell at me for telling my sister not to play that crap when I'm doing work.

Newest music I got was Lady Gaga's "The Fame". It's not necessarily sophisticated but most of her music is relatively clean. In b4 Disco Stick.

Yeah, when I was younger I was into what was "cool" for the anime crowd. In 2007 I started getting into cult-classic films, which are strill relatively popular, but then I got deeper into more obscure genres and in doing so became more of an "individual". Not on purpose, it's just where my tastes were. Now I'm focusing on sience fiction genres mostly, of any "decade". This actually makes me a bit of a "nerd" now, and less "popular" in some groups. A lot of people hate and resent antone who likes Star Trek, for instance.

I know that not all kids are sponges. I was "good", I didn't have sex until I was 19 because I wanted to be with someone I REALLY cared about, not because I "couldn't get laid," I had offers for sex as young as 16. But the social climate was a little different then too. Just in the last 5 years things have gotten a lot more sexualized.

[DeForest Kelley]

LeonDecimus

That particular song irks the living s**t out of me. She sounds like some ignorant hood rat. You may think nothing of it but it's what kids at my school were like. The song only further encourages them to be little asswipes. Not saying all music has an impact on kids. Not saying any of it does. This song only furthers stereotypes in my opinion.

Oh and OP: She doesn't say teeth. I believe she brushes her "teef wif a bottle of jack"

In the opening she just sounds terribly ignorant. I scoff at people that I see talk like that. What is cool about intentionally slurring your words? What's cool about talking about getting stoned and drunk and busted by the cops? I get drunk. I get stoned, sometimes. I don't go the next day screaming it to the world like it's some badge of honor. Who really gives a ********? Songs like this only reinforce that this is "Good" or an accepted societal standard. It really shouldn't be. Now, I'm not saying that listening to this song makes anyone into anything but it does give the idea that it is ok or at least not a bad thing to act this way. I am a business owner, I would not hire a person who speaks or acts this way. It's not kosher. It's ******** rude and annoying.

I need to stop ranting. My point is that this particular song only reinforces negative stereotypes.

I didn't transcribe these lyrics (other than inserting the chorus tags to make it a little neater), so I really couldn't tell you.
Pronunciation usually isn't written in lyrics, though. It's a stylistic thing. She hasn't gone into full eubonics so it wasn't written that way.

As for what's "cool" about it, I really couldn't tell you, but I don't see anything "dishonorable" about different pronunciations or vernacular.

I wouldn't say this song is about her screaming it to the world. It's a dance song, the song goes with the party theme, etc. I don't think all music is supposed to be profound. But I do agree that her song glorifies what really is a trashy lifestyle.

I actually like the beat, the melody, of this song. The lyrics are pretty damn stupid, in my opinion. But I can enjoy the song without it influencing my behavior. Then again, I'm not a 13 year old either. Adults are less easily impressionable.

[Requiem of the Exodus]

Leonard Bones McCoy

Requiem of the Exodus

About the song, which I love, it won't make kids into promiscuous alcoholics. It glorifies that lifestyle, but in the end it depends on the environment the kid grew up in and how they based they're lives from it.

Do we know that, or are we potentially underestimating the impact of music?

Music is a huge part of my life, and is extremely influential. I have "grown out of" being absorbed in stuff, but kids very much are little sponges.

Yes we do know it. Because people that display those behaviors (promiscuity & alcoholism) either learn it from their past (alcoholism is famous for running in families) or have a other issues they ignore by participating in activities to forget about them (promiscuity & alcoholism).

Music is a huge part in many peoples lives (I'm studying music in college) and it can affect their mood, social life, life view, etc.. But a person's past also effects their life, to a greater effect then the music they listen to. I've listened to rock music all my life (okay, since I was four. But it feels like my whole life), and even listening to Areosmith's Janie's Got a Gun and Love in an Elevator or Rolling Stones Paint it Black; I don't have quickies in an elevator, try to shoot my father, or get clinically depressed after a break-up. I also doubt my parents introducing me to Queen made me gay. Also, I was already an "a*****e" before Dennis Larry recorded I'm an a*****e. Yes, music does affect our lives, but it doesn't make our choices.

[Kem Pet Unsu]

Leonard Bones McCoy

Newest music I got was Lady Gaga's "The Fame". It's not necessarily sophisticated but most of her music is relatively clean. In b4 Disco Stick.

Yeah, wen I was younger I was into what was "cool" for the anime crowd. In 2007 I started getting into cult-classic films, which are strill relatively popular, but then I got deeper into more obscure genres and in doing so became more of an "individual". Not on purpose, it's just where my tastes were. Now I'm focusing on sience fiction genres mostly, of any "decade". This actually makes me a bit of a "nerd" now, and less "popular" in some groups. A lot of people hate and resent antone who likes Star Trek, for instance.

I know that not all kids are sponges. I was "good", I didn't have sex until I was 19 because I wanted to be with someone I REALLY cared about, not because I "couldn't get laid," I had offers for sex as young as 16. But the social climate was a little different then too. Just in the last 5 years things have gotten a lot more sexualized.

I sort of like anime, it's less an "omg must se kawaii desu" thing as, "I like this story". Still have my Wolf's Rain series on DVD, and to reminisce about my childhood had a friend burn me some Samurai Jack DVDs. Again, not because I feel I need to, but because on a boring day it's fun to look back at something you once liked. My own tastes are scattered as all hell, but I'm just a very odd person naturally. I like to think I've just expanded my horizons and like to enjoy many different things in life.

It seems most music and pop culture is sexualized. Music, movies, books. I can't remember how many times my sister said she dreamed of Edward, or Jacob, or Sasuke and her doing terrible things. I know people who are a year younger than me, have 2 kids already. A girl I went to elementary school got preggos at 13. Baby at 14. And another at 16. And that's the standard for girls in my neighborhood, I'm the odd one for keeping my V card until I've got a ring on my finger.

But I digress. It seems a lot has really become sexually charged. Not that all people will follow it, but it seems a decent amount of young teens will follow anything with a brand or name behind it.

[DeForest Kelley]

Olya

Now, the content of the media... I don't see what all the hype is about. Virtually nothing has changed over the years. We view media in a very narrow time frame. Yes, 50's and 60's were much more... modest, shall we say? However, go a little before that and it's once again sex, violence, abuse and it keeps going like that all the way to the beginning of written word. The fact that we say today's media is violent and oversexed is probably an indication that the majority of us had no bloody clue what those books in high school were saying.

There is no hype here. I expected such a response from you. I'm asking questions. That's it. I'm not waving any finger of disapproval here. Music is about taste. I can't tell people what to like.

Sex has always been a theme in literature, music, etc. But it is becoming less implicit and more explicit.

[Olya]

Leonard Bones McCoy

Olya

Now, the content of the media... I don't see what all the hype is about. Virtually nothing has changed over the years. We view media in a very narrow time frame. Yes, 50's and 60's were much more... modest, shall we say? However, go a little before that and it's once again sex, violence, abuse and it keeps going like that all the way to the beginning of written word. The fact that we say today's media is violent and oversexed is probably an indication that the majority of us had no bloody clue what those books in high school were saying.

There is no hype here. I expected such a response from you. I'm asking questions. That's it. I'm not waving any finger of disapproval here. Music is about taste. I can't tell people what to like.

Sex has always been a theme in literature, music, etc. But it is becoming less implicit and more explicit.

I replied to the content of his post, not yours. And there is plenty of "hype." We have parents petitioning to ban certain books from schools and pressuring networks to sensor anime even when it's shown late at night. There is actually a huge issue in marketing with respect to advertising to children.

[DeForest Kelley]

Requiem of the Exodus

Leonard Bones McCoy

Requiem of the Exodus

About the song, which I love, it won't make kids into promiscuous alcoholics. It glorifies that lifestyle, but in the end it depends on the environment the kid grew up in and how they based they're lives from it.

Do we know that, or are we potentially underestimating the impact of music?

Music is a huge part of my life, and is extremely influential. I have "grown out of" being absorbed in stuff, but kids very much are little sponges.

Yes we do know it. Because people that display those behaviors (promiscuity & alcoholism) either learn it from their past (alcoholism is famous for running in families) or have a other issues they ignore by participating in activities to forget about them (promiscuity & alcoholism).

Music is a huge part in many peoples lives (I'm studying music in college) and it can affect their mood, social life, life view, etc.. But a person's past also effects their life, to a greater effect then the music they listen to. I've listened to rock music all my life (okay, since I was four. But it feels like my whole life), and even listening to Areosmith's Janie's Got a Gun and Love in an Elevator or Rolling Stones Paint it Black; I don't have quickies in an elevator, try to shoot my father, or get clinically depressed after a break-up. I also doubt my parents introducing me to Queen made me gay. Also, I was already an "a*****e" before Dennis Larry recorded I'm an a*****e. Yes, music does affect our lives, but it doesn't make our choices.

Citation needed. I don't think you *know* what you say you know. You sound like you're just speculating.

You're using the past to undermine the influence of the present. You might want to take psychology before you claim to be an expert on the effect of music on behavior. Taking music in college only really teaches you the mechanics of music. Even if you're taking music theory, that's not the same as knowing human psychology. Oh, and I took psychology on the college level. Does that make me more informed? You tell me.

Music doesn't necessarily CREATE behavior, but it can influence it. It would be insanity to claim it has no impact. It's data. People make decisions based on information, and subconscious influences change their behavior. My question, however, is how much.

[lumnata]

Music's all over the place- the same kind you're talking about. I agree that kids shouldn't be listening to it, but short of an Orwellian approach to parenting, they're going to hear this music- and usually like it- no matter what we as parents do. Their friends are listening to it, it's on the radio, and they even play it at school dances. And there's really no way to get society to stop wanting to hear this kind of music, and while society wants this kind of music, society will get it.

I think the most important thing a parent can do about this is to talk to their children about sex, alcohol, and drugs and keep the lines of communication on the topics open. Create an environment where the kid is comfortable coming to you about any questions he or she may have.

Parents who think that their kids are listening to this music but don't know what it means are naive. (Well, for preteens, not 6-7 years olds, or maybe I'm being naive here...) Kids are learning about sex and drugs and the peer pressure gets stronger every year and to deny this or act like "not MY kid" is stupid.

[DeForest Kelley]

Kem Pet Unsu

Leonard Bones McCoy

Newest music I got was Lady Gaga's "The Fame". It's not necessarily sophisticated but most of her music is relatively clean. In b4 Disco Stick.

Yeah, wen I was younger I was into what was "cool" for the anime crowd. In 2007 I started getting into cult-classic films, which are strill relatively popular, but then I got deeper into more obscure genres and in doing so became more of an "individual". Not on purpose, it's just where my tastes were. Now I'm focusing on sience fiction genres mostly, of any "decade". This actually makes me a bit of a "nerd" now, and less "popular" in some groups. A lot of people hate and resent antone who likes Star Trek, for instance.

I know that not all kids are sponges. I was "good", I didn't have sex until I was 19 because I wanted to be with someone I REALLY cared about, not because I "couldn't get laid," I had offers for sex as young as 16. But the social climate was a little different then too. Just in the last 5 years things have gotten a lot more sexualized.

I sort of like anime, it's less an "omg must se kawaii desu" thing as, "I like this story". Still have my Wolf's Rain series on DVD, and to reminisce about my childhood had a friend burn me some Samurai Jack DVDs. Again, not because I feel I need to, but because on a boring day it's fun to look back at something you once liked. My own tastes are scattered as all hell, but I'm just a very odd person naturally. I like to think I've just expanded my horizons and like to enjoy many different things in life.

It seems most music and pop culture is sexualized. Music, movies, books. I can't remember how many times my sister said she dreamed of Edward, or Jacob, or Sasuke and her doing terrible things. I know people who are a year younger than me, have 2 kids already. A girl I went to elementary school got preggos at 13. Baby at 14. And another at 16. And that's the standard for girls in my neighborhood, I'm the odd one for keeping my V card until I've got a ring on my finger.

But I digress. It seems a lot has really become sexually charged. Not that all people will follow it, but it seems a decent amount of young teens will follow anything with a brand or name behind it.

I was never a KAWAIIDESUNE~! weeaboo. But I was very into anime. I look back and feel kind of stupid, like it was a waste of my childhood.

I jumped into sex pretty quickly once I knew I was with someone I cared about, and who cared about me. I was 19. I didn't care so much about the "marriage vow" or anything, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a simple fling the first time. Now that's long over with, I don't mind casual sex. I just wanted it to mean something the first time and not be a diappointment.

Sex has always been a part of our culture and media, but it is a lot more explicit now. Sure, Shakespeare talked about sex, but he wasn't like, "I'm gonna stick my d**k in yo p***y n***a." He was more implicit rather than explicit.

[DeForest Kelley]

Olya

Leonard Bones McCoy

Olya

Now, the content of the media... I don't see what all the hype is about. Virtually nothing has changed over the years. We view media in a very narrow time frame. Yes, 50's and 60's were much more... modest, shall we say? However, go a little before that and it's once again sex, violence, abuse and it keeps going like that all the way to the beginning of written word. The fact that we say today's media is violent and oversexed is probably an indication that the majority of us had no bloody clue what those books in high school were saying.

There is no hype here. I expected such a response from you. I'm asking questions. That's it. I'm not waving any finger of disapproval here. Music is about taste. I can't tell people what to like.

Sex has always been a theme in literature, music, etc. But it is becoming less implicit and more explicit.

I replied to the content of his post, not yours. And there is plenty of "hype." We have parents petitioning to ban certain books from schools and pressuring networks to sensor anime even when it's shown late at night. There is actually a huge issue in marketing with respect to advertising to children.

Hype from other people, sure. Stupid people. Censorship isn't the solution to the problem. They're lazy and don't want to maintain their kids.

Censoring porn and the human body has made people OBSESSED With nudity. The sign of a healthy, non-sexual naked human body becomes sexual. I know a lot of people who say there is no such thing as non-sexual nudity. This is the obsession at work. When you're a doctor, you see a lot of naked bodies, and you can't pop a boner every time you gotta set a fracture or perform a breast examination.

[lumnata]

Leonard Bones McCoy

Music doesn't necessarily CREATE behavior, but it can influence it. It would be insanity to claim it has no impact. It's data. People make decisions based on information, and subconscious influences change their behavior. My question, however, is how much.

I agree. I think how much depends primarily on the parent. Kids get really into music- my 12-year old daughter is and so are all of her friends. They need to learn how to separate what older people do from what they should be doing as kids. The music can definitely influence them, and it's up to the parent to make sure the kid is knowledgeable so that when the kid is there faced with a decision they will know what their options are- know what the consequences are- and hopefully pick the right one.

[DeForest Kelley]

lumnata

Music's all over the place- the same kind you're talking about. I agree that kids shouldn't be listening to it, but short of an Orwellian approach to parenting, they're going to hear this music- and usually like it- no matter what we as parents do. Their friends are listening to it, it's on the radio, and they even play it at school dances. And there's really no way to get society to stop wanting to hear this kind of music, and while society wants this kind of music, society will get it.

I think the most important thing a parent can do about this is to talk to their children about sex, alcohol, and drugs and keep the lines of communication on the topics open. Create an environment where the kid is comfortable coming to you about any questions he or she may have.

Parents who think that their kids are listening to this music but don't know what it means are naive. (Well, for preteens, not 6-7 years olds, or maybe I'm being naive here...) Kids are learning about sex and drugs and the peer pressure gets stronger every year and to deny this or act like "not MY kid" is stupid.

Agreed. I'm not going to be exactly HANDING my kids porn, gore, and college-films about getting wasted... but I won't prevent them or shelter them. I'll just help them understand the context. "These people are adults, you're not," sort of talk. Now, that can have a bad impact on a lot of kids. But my kids would be raised from the earliest age to know who THEY are, and that there's a TIME for everything. A natural part of growing up is being a kid before you're an adult.

I knew about sex at a REALLY young age. I'm talking like, 6 years old. I didn't think of it in a "sexual" way, but I knew about it.

[Dostya]

The music I listen to is about love. Although the lyrics could have been traded for detailed instructions on how to insert Jews into ovens without anyone noticing.