Men are more than their penises

[Omorose Panya]

Tactical Leg Sweep

It's odd that feminists who talk so much about body issues seemingly rarely, if ever, talk about this type of thing, or say, height in men, which is another standard of beauty that men are expected to live up to.

If I were to guess, it's because most of feminism is not involved with every issue, but with those that relate to power imbalances between the sexes in general. Most men in a given culture are not shorter than the women in that same culture, so it is not something that men in general face. Still, I can agree that there is no harm in bringing up the issue more, as it is something many men do face.

But anyway, I would argue that it is addressed in what (some of feminism's sects) propose regarding the shattering of gender norms. Big d**k is associated with hypermasculinity and dominance.

[Omorose Panya]

Tactical Leg Sweep

Demacian Slut

Tactical Leg Sweep

It's odd that feminists who talk so much about body issues seemingly rarely, if ever, talk about this type of thing, or say, height in men, which is another standard of beauty that men are expected to live up to.

I know what you mean.

I have always criticized that.

Indeed. I have heard vitriolic criticisms by certain feminists of men for judging women based on superficial criteria like weight, breast size, a** size, etc, yet when posed with the question of why such criticisms do not extend to women's preferences of p***s size or height, the idea is treated as misogny to criticize a woman's preferences.

That's not cool. neutral

[Tactical Leg Sweep]

Omorose Panya

Tactical Leg Sweep

It's odd that feminists who talk so much about body issues seemingly rarely, if ever, talk about this type of thing, or say, height in men, which is another standard of beauty that men are expected to live up to.

If I were to guess, it's because most of feminism is not involved with every issue, but with those that relate to power imbalances between the sexes in general. Most men in a given culture are not shorter than the women in that same culture, so it is not something that men in general face. Still, I can agree that there is no harm in bringing up the issue more, as it is something many men do face.

But anyway, I would argue that it is addressed in what (some of feminism's sects) propose regarding the shattering of gender norms. Big d**k is associated with hypermasculinity and dominance.

The problem isn't even being shorter than women necessarily, it's being shorter than average, of which plenty of men are. There are many women, who almost laughably do not reach past 5'1 or 5'2 patently stating they will not a date a man shorter than 6'2. There was a good piece about it regarding a couple of dating websites, specifically e-harmony and match. I'll try to dig up the article if I can find it.

Perhaps, but only really in a round-about way.

[Tactical Leg Sweep]

Omorose Panya

Tactical Leg Sweep

Demacian Slut

Tactical Leg Sweep

It's odd that feminists who talk so much about body issues seemingly rarely, if ever, talk about this type of thing, or say, height in men, which is another standard of beauty that men are expected to live up to.

I know what you mean.

I have always criticized that.

Indeed. I have heard vitriolic criticisms by certain feminists of men for judging women based on superficial criteria like weight, breast size, a** size, etc, yet when posed with the question of why such criticisms do not extend to women's preferences of p***s size or height, the idea is treated as misogny to criticize a woman's preferences.

That's not cool. neutral

Agreed.

[AliKat1988]

Jessi el Conquistador

AliKat1988

Demacian Slut

AliKat1988

I will just say that it is the men that do it to themselves. I know that I like most other women could not care less about the size. It is actually the idea of anything too big that is repulsive to me-like nine inches sounds uncomfortable and difficult to use. Women do not have vaginas big enough to fit all of that and their mouths cannot fit that either. It is only good for handjobs which are not nearly as intimate. Of course, subnormal is bad, too, because I doubt a two incher could even stay in easily. A nice average p***s is best, though it would be hilarious to hear men trying to claim they have the most average p***s.

Yeah. Both men and women are responsible for such objectification.

In general, I am getting a sense from my own experience and what other people are saying that it is people who do not understand much about sex and/or people who trust the worst resource on sex-porn movies.

I think its because parents, schools or just that vague amorphous society we live in doesn't talk that much about sex. Real questions aren't actually answered and sex isn't really discussed unless you take courses in college. It is a difficult topic to talk about really awkward to just talk about anyway. I think porn on the internet has become the teacher since nothing else out there is coming close to giving boys real answers about it.

Sex education in America = the shits

Ironically the reason they do not talk about it is because they do not want that kind of thing to get into people's thoughts. I do not get why separating the intellectual portion of sex out from the emotional moral aspects has to be as hard as people make it. It might still be hard to talk about sex, but I think if parents and teachers ever saw the kind of information they discuss in a human sexuality textbook that they would agree that it is not going to give kids ideas. My human sexuality class in college never discussed methods for making sex more pleasurable-closest was differences in response. I doubt hearing about pregnancy, puberty, hermaphrodites, STDs, the emotional aspect of sex, contraceptive's effectiveness, or sexual disorders is going to get kids wanting to do it much more. Honestly, it rarely sounded like it was something worth doing with how the book described it. It was often amusing and twisted-especially the paraphilia section-one guy claimed he only had sex with his horse when it gave consent.

On a less serious note, only some porn involves s**t and most people do not watch it. xd Seriously though I get what you are saying about how they have to turn to porn which is wrong in so many ways. It does not show the responsibility, bonding, learning about your partner's body, or emotional factors that sexual relationships entail.

[Jessi Danger]

Tactical Leg Sweep

Demacian Slut

Tactical Leg Sweep

It's odd that feminists who talk so much about body issues seemingly rarely, if ever, talk about this type of thing, or say, height in men, which is another standard of beauty that men are expected to live up to.

I know what you mean.

I have always criticized that.

Indeed. I have heard vitriolic criticisms by certain feminists of men for judging women based on superficial criteria like weight, breast size, a** size, etc, yet when posed with the question of why such criticisms do not extend to women's preferences of p***s size or height, the idea is treated as misogny to criticize a woman's preferences.

I guess you have a really good point there. sweatdrop I guess I am stumped on that one.

People and their double standards.

[Omorose Panya]

Demacian Slut

Omorose Panya

Demacian Slut

Plainly ridiculous!

So your argument is that we should not focus on the root of the problem, but rather the results of it? Are you also the type who thinks that we should focus more on treating illnesses than on preventing them in the first place?

More importantly, do you have an actual refute to my argument? If you just want to b***h about something, then head to the CB or GD.

I believe in prevention, stop assuming silly things, you silly goose.
You basically think that having a healthy self-esteem is wrong, so, what's there to talk about?

Firstly, I did not state that you do not "believe in prevention." My point is that your argument is inconsistent if you take issue with my solution that is primarily preventative.

Secondly, it is inconsistent to tell me not to assume things and then proceed to assume things yourself. Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that I think that good self-esteem is "wrong." In fact, I said that we should get people to feel better about themselves.

The entire point is that just encouraging people to feel better about themselves is not a real solution because it ignores WHY they feel that way in the first place. If A has low self-esteem as a result of being in a group of 29 others who constantly bully that person about how they look and pressure them to look a particular way, would you suggest that the better solution is to tell A to just feel better about themselves, or to take care of the bullies who are making A feel that way? Because you and the article are essentially arguing the former and I am arguing the latter.

In our case, it is not a matter of men randomly telling themselves that their penises are terrible enough that they internalize that message; it is a matter of a culture that encourages them to think in that way for whatever reasons. Like I said, attack the root, not the branch.

[AliKat1988]

Omorose Panya

Jericho Hill

So it's ok to shame women for having small breasts because they can get plastic surgery?

Men can surgically "enhance" their penises too.

I am surprised that that comment about no alteration to penises was made in the article since there are many ways to go about doing it. They have many medications, as well, and I hear p***s pumps can change size slightly.

[Omorose Panya]

Tactical Leg Sweep

The problem isn't even being shorter than women necessarily, it's being shorter than average, of which plenty of men are. There are many women, who almost laughably do not reach past 5'1 or 5'2 patently stating they will not a date a man shorter than 6'2. There was a good piece about it regarding a couple of dating websites, specifically e-harmony and match. I'll try to dig up the article if I can find it.

Perhaps, but only really in a round-about way.

That makes sense.

I don't think it's round-about. I bet the women don't want to date men who are below average because they do not "look" like cultural representations of men who have status. But... I donno their reasons. They could just be uppity bitches, sorta like guys who won't date women who have small tits or something.

I don't really like the sentiment, but I have to admit that I'm not too comfortable dating a guy who is shorter than I am. (I'm 5'8.) I think that society puts a lot of pressure on women to date taller guys and on men to date shorter women. If we could break that hold on society, which I do believe is associated in power distribution, we'd probably be fine in that regard for the most part. Increasing the number of potential mates sounds like a good thing to me. biggrin

[Jessi Danger]

AliKat1988

Jessi el Conquistador

AliKat1988

Demacian Slut

AliKat1988

I will just say that it is the men that do it to themselves. I know that I like most other women could not care less about the size. It is actually the idea of anything too big that is repulsive to me-like nine inches sounds uncomfortable and difficult to use. Women do not have vaginas big enough to fit all of that and their mouths cannot fit that either. It is only good for handjobs which are not nearly as intimate. Of course, subnormal is bad, too, because I doubt a two incher could even stay in easily. A nice average p***s is best, though it would be hilarious to hear men trying to claim they have the most average p***s.

Yeah. Both men and women are responsible for such objectification.

In general, I am getting a sense from my own experience and what other people are saying that it is people who do not understand much about sex and/or people who trust the worst resource on sex-porn movies.

I think its because parents, schools or just that vague amorphous society we live in doesn't talk that much about sex. Real questions aren't actually answered and sex isn't really discussed unless you take courses in college. It is a difficult topic to talk about really awkward to just talk about anyway. I think porn on the internet has become the teacher since nothing else out there is coming close to giving boys real answers about it.

Sex education in America = the shits

Ironically the reason they do not talk about it is because they do not want that kind of thing to get into people's thoughts. I do not get why separating the intellectual portion of sex out from the emotional moral aspects has to be as hard as people make it. It might still be hard to talk about sex, but I think if parents and teachers ever saw the kind of information they discuss in a human sexuality textbook that they would agree that it is not going to give kids ideas. My human sexuality class in college never discussed methods for making sex more pleasurable-closest was differences in response. I doubt hearing about pregnancy, puberty, hermaphrodites, STDs, the emotional aspect of sex, contraceptive's effectiveness, or sexual disorders is going to get kids wanting to do it much more. Honestly, it rarely sounded like it was something worth doing with how the book described it. It was often amusing and twisted-especially the paraphilia section-one guy claimed he only had sex with his horse when it gave consent.

On a less serious note, only some porn involves s**t and most people do not watch it. xd Seriously though I get what you are saying about how they have to turn to porn which is wrong in so many ways. It does not show the responsibility, bonding, learning about your partner's body, or emotional factors that sexual relationships entail.

It does suck but I guess it is what happens when nobody really talks about sex and sexuality and when were all so terrified of it. I think boys especially have less material or knowledge to learn from and nobody willing to really talk about their sexuality in an open honest and non-judgmental way. sad now that I think about it the whole topic is kind of depressing for a topic on sex.

[Demacian Slut]

Omorose Panya

Demacian Slut

Omorose Panya

Demacian Slut

Plainly ridiculous!

So your argument is that we should not focus on the root of the problem, but rather the results of it? Are you also the type who thinks that we should focus more on treating illnesses than on preventing them in the first place?

More importantly, do you have an actual refute to my argument? If you just want to b***h about something, then head to the CB or GD.

I believe in prevention, stop assuming silly things, you silly goose.
You basically think that having a healthy self-esteem is wrong, so, what's there to talk about?

Firstly, I did not state that you do not "believe in prevention." My point is that your argument is inconsistent if you take issue with my solution that is primarily preventative.

Secondly, it is inconsistent to tell me not to assume things and then proceed to assume things yourself. Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that I think that good self-esteem is "wrong." In fact, I said that we should get people to feel better about themselves.

The entire point is that just encouraging people to feel better about themselves is not a real solution because it ignores WHY they feel that way in the first place. If A has low self-esteem as a result of being in a group of 29 others who constantly bully that person about how they look and pressure them to look a particular way, would you suggest that the better solution is to tell A to just feel better about themselves, or to take care of the bullies who are making A feel that way? Because you and the article are essentially arguing the former and I am arguing the latter.

In our case, it is not a matter of men randomly telling themselves that their penises are terrible enough that they internalize that message; it is a matter of a culture that encourages them to think in that way for whatever reasons. Like I said, attack the root, not the branch.

"Secondly, it is inconsistent to tell me not to assume things and then proceed to assume things yourself. Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that I think that good self-esteem is "wrong." In fact, I said that we should get people to feel better about themselves."

Then you're contradicting yourself or not wording things correctly.

It is a "real" solution. Both are "real" solutions. Body acceptance is essential. Attacking the root, too.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Omorose Panya

3) Perhaps most importantly, we should stop training men to think that their penises are the center of women's sexuality. stare (Of course this is applies only to those interested in heterosexual sex.)

Regardless as to what's at the centre of female sexuality, my d**k is always going to be at the centre of mine.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Riviera de la Mancha

Cool story I guess. I am a dude and all I know is that a woman who is so p***s-centric is not a woman with whom I would want to form a relationship, even just know really.

Oh, and this really. Any woman out there who is shallow enough to judge a man solely through his genitals is worth absolutely none of your time, let alone your sexual intimacy.

[We Are Organisms]

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Omorose Panya

3) Perhaps most importantly, we should stop training men to think that their penises are the center of women's sexuality. stare (Of course this is applies only to those interested in heterosexual sex.)

Regardless as to what's at the centre of female sexuality, my d**k is always going to be at the centre of mine.

and your testicles lmao

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Ryu Kei Shou Kawazu

Blind Guardian the 2nd

Omorose Panya

3) Perhaps most importantly, we should stop training men to think that their penises are the center of women's sexuality. stare (Of course this is applies only to those interested in heterosexual sex.)

Regardless as to what's at the centre of female sexuality, my d**k is always going to be at the centre of mine.

and your testicles lmao

Dude, I don't put my balls inside a woman.