Men and Women. no they're not equal

[Seraphor]

ratrapid

You are the one with the lack of understanding. You are confusing equality with equal rights and treatment. I do not challenge equal rights and treatment.

No, I understand the meaning of the word equality, it is the same meaning used in terms such as equal rights and equal treatment, the word equal is used there as the word equal has always been used.
The word equal is a reference to value. Men are equal to women, blacks are equal to whites, 2+2 equals 4.

As posted above, the word you are looking for is 'same', not equal.
Men are not the same as women, blacks are not the same as whites and two number 2's are not the same as the number 4.

[ratrapid]

I assure you. I am not saying women should be submissive. I am saying they are less fragile with their ego and therefore do not need to be praised for everything.

[Lily Richardson]

ratrapid

I assure you. I am not saying women should be submissive. I am saying they are less fragile with their ego and therefore do not need to be praised for everything.

... Have you posted links about this? I'm pretty sure I've read through most of the thread. If you have, I'll go back and look around, but otherwise... I'd like to see a citation on that one.

[.Kai.XxOf-Yamis-DesirexX]

Well, it's true. We are not EQUAL, but then again, neither are two women or two men.

Some men produce more testostorone then other males.
Some females produce more estrogen then other females.
Does that mean they're not equal. By your logic, yes.

So why is it the generalization of the sexes, as apposed to the generalization of just being "human" as a hole.

Men and women produce different things that make them act differently, but that does apply to the SAME sexes as well.

I'm female, that doesn't mean that I cry all the time.
Some women are more sensitive then others.

Hell, some MEN are more sensitive then women.

On that note, YES, there are some jobs better suited for men then for wemon and vice versa, but that doesn't mean a women or man CAN'T do those jobs.

P.S. Some people really DON'T get certain jobs because of their sexes. Some people are still sexist in this world. Now, that doesn't always apply, but none the less it can be true in some cases.

[maddognate16]

Women arent men. Men arent women. Therefore they are not equal (notice the lack of me saying that one sex is better). They're good at different things. Men produce more testosterone than women, women produce more estrogen than men. That means they act differently. I am talking in general here, there are going to be people who dont fit into this of course, but there will be many more who do. What is starting to get to me is this idea that a genderless culture is the way forward. It isnt. And another thing that annoys me is how much females harp on about the plight of women. Yes, they werent treated fairly. Yes, things have changed for the better. Now they are heading for a better future how about getting on with life instead of pretending that you didnt get a job because your female or something. Women arent equal to men. Men arent equal to women. its like picking up a shark and a lion and saying that they are both types of butterflies. Now this may be a rant by actually, some jobs are better suited for men and vice versa. And women will naturally be better at some jobs than men. Of course this isnt the unflexible rule but it is the general rule.

No, you are not being at all sexist. What you are saying is true. Actually, what gets to me is BOTH being forced into a genderless culture AND a gender-restrictive culture. Isn't it restrictive to make ppl try and be genderLESS, too? I think that everyone can assume the role they want in life. What gets to me is ppl generalizing, putting everyone in one pool, etc. We are all INDIVIDUAL. I think in the modern society the INDIVIDUAL should have much more worth and it shouldn't always be argued about political groups. I mean, take race: Some black may have lighter skin, some might have asian/white people in their ancestry, no they are not all the same. Same with men and women. Men/Women produce different levels of testosterone/estrogen. Therefore they are more manly/womanly. But what is manly/womanly? It is only the average person. That is the problem with averages. No person/subject can be EXACTLY like that. Also, that is not what makes us interesting.
It is things like having an obsession with insects or wearing only pink that make us interesting.
Trends are OK though bcos although it drives on superficiality at the same tyme we cannot all wear the same trendsetting shoes simply bcos they might not fit us, and do not wear the same OUTFITS, though some things in their outfits may be the same. We can never all look the same simply bcos we have different genes, to whatever measure we go, fashion freaks!

Btw: I understand that you are trying not to be sexist, but it would have been more fitting to use the word SAME than EQUAL.

[Rao the Zen Android]

ratrapid

I assure you. I am not saying women should be submissive. I am saying they are less fragile with their ego and therefore do not need to be praised for everything.

Oh so your saying THIS bullshit, but not THAT bullshit.
Got ya.

Seriosuly get the ******** back to GD.

[Dystopia_and_I]

However, both men and women will find hard to accept that there are points were they are weak. Probably, a "modern" woman would not accept to know that - maybe - there really is a job better suited for a man than a for woman and - maybe - she should let go. The viceversa is true as well.

What I want to say is that today's society wants to be modern, adopted a series of laws and other stuff to try equalizing almost everyone (which, juridically, when facing law, is true, but not on many other areas) but still keeps older concepts because it's the people who are hard to "train", let's say so. Yes, many women exaggerate with their rights and only because they just seem to find the men not to grant them even the basic. And you can't really keep them far from their working matter.

We can't see as fair a society - or the people - that agree to women equality to men (other than juridical) but still leaves them with the "female jobs" as cleaning, washing, cooking because with this method, you only add them more work. Where's the fair thing in that? Besides, if we just look deeper, we could see that men and women jobs (especially around the house) are well balanced, but the society doesn't seem to stay stick to it.

There is a lot to be said on this matter. Unfortunately, debating the matter this way doesn't solve... anything. Well, it does make you angrier to find out how deep this goes.

[Captain Verd]

This thread reminds me of the failed women firefighters. Two women who were denied jobs as firefighters tried to sue the city, saying they were denied based on their gender. But in reality, they couldn't carry the 200 pound dummy as far as they needed to, weren't as strong as the men they were training with, and didn't have enough stamina.

Men AREN'T equal to women, even if it's just for obvious reasons like boob difference.

[Lily Richardson]

Captain Verd

This thread reminds me of the failed women firefighters. Two women who were denied jobs as firefighters tried to sue the city, saying they were denied based on their gender. But in reality, they couldn't carry the 200 pound dummy as far as they needed to, weren't as strong as the men they were training with, and didn't have enough stamina.

Men AREN'T equal to women, even if it's just for obvious reasons like boob difference.

What happened to the case? I hope they didn't win...

I do not think that men and women are the same, but the opportunity should be available to women to become firefighters if they have passed all of their tests and have the capability to be a firefighter. I acknowledge the fact that we are less likely to become firefighters simply due to lack of muscle mass and sheer bulk, but I would still prefer that the opportunity were left there... IE, I didn't get shot down without someone looking at my resume to see whether or not I could actually perform the task.

[Professor_Markus]

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However, both men and women will find hard to accept that there are points were they are weak. Probably, a "modern" woman would not accept to know that - maybe - there really is a job better suited for a man than a for woman and - maybe - she should let go. The viceversa is true as well.

That's with anyone though. Something you just can't be X or Y, but have to go into and do Z as a job instead. The only difference is that if you can't get in because you're female/male, it's chalked up as sexism instead of just lack of interest.

[K!LL]

Men are becoming unnecessary.


All that they are needed for are for making more humans.
And men can now donate to the sperm-bank.
So they are becoming increasingly unnecessary.


Plus, the male chromosone is becoming less apparent.
There is two girls born in the United States for everyone one boy.

In Asia, there are nineteen boys for every one girl though.
Which makes up for the United States.




But anyways,
Im not racist.
I actually like guys, even though it doesn't seem like I do. :]

[Rao the Zen Android]

Captain Verd

This thread reminds me of the failed women firefighters. Two women who were denied jobs as firefighters tried to sue the city, saying they were denied based on their gender. But in reality, they couldn't carry the 200 pound dummy as far as they needed to, weren't as strong as the men they were training with, and didn't have enough stamina.

Men AREN'T equal to women, even if it's just for obvious reasons like boob difference.

You don't seem to get the moral of the story yourself.

Gender isn't the issue, the issue was these women couldn't do the job.

Can't tell the difference? Try harder.

This goes out to damn well near everyone on this thread going on about what women and men can or can't do.

[Rao the Zen Android]

K!LL

Men are becoming unnecessary.


All that they are needed for are for making more humans.
And men can now donate to the sperm-bank.
So they are becoming increasingly unnecessary.


Plus, the male chromosone is becoming less apparent.
There is two girls born in the United States for everyone one boy.

In Asia, there are nineteen boys for every one girl though.
Which makes up for the United States.




But anyways,
Im not racist.
I actually like guys, even though it doesn't seem like I do. :]

Are you implying the importance of people is put on thier ability to reproduce,?
lol

[marshmallowcreampie]

I don't think you mean "Men and women aren't equal". I think you mean "Men and women are not the same". Equal basically means neither is better than the other one. Men and women are considered equal in developed countries, but they are still very different. Men are usually physically stronger. However, women are the ones who go through the pain of labor and have to deal with their period for about a week every month for 50 years (unless they took the pill). Still, since men are usually physically stronger, most women wouldn't be able to get jobs like fire fighters and army soldiers because most wouldn't have the nessecary physical strength for it.

[K!LL]

Rao the Zen Android

K!LL

Men are becoming unnecessary.


All that they are needed for are for making more humans.
And men can now donate to the sperm-bank.
So they are becoming increasingly unnecessary.


Plus, the male chromosone is becoming less apparent.
There is two girls born in the United States for everyone one boy.

In Asia, there are nineteen boys for every one girl though.
Which makes up for the United States.




But anyways,
Im not racist.
I actually like guys, even though it doesn't seem like I do. :]

Are you implying the importance of people is put on thier ability to reproduce,?
lol

No.
What I meant to say is that for humans to keep on living, they are becomng unnecessary.
Not completely, but we don't need as many males because of sperm-banks.