Men and Women. no they're not equal

[Riviera de la Mancha]

A genderless society is the ideal.

No one should feel they are affeminate for doing what is natural to them. Take me for example; I can iron a dress, clean a house, design it, and cook better than most chicks my age can in college. All I do is womanly under gender schemas, which is a lawed concept. These are tasks, and women as well as man can be just as good or, in my case, better than woman and vice versa. All of these I learned because my home demanded it; my mother has arthritis and simply cant do alot of things with her hands anymore, which forced me to learn at a young age how to help her, just like my brother. The idea of what a gender does is based on what their culture tells, them, which shows how flawed the idea is that any one view is true.

No where did the OP show some kind of proof how either sex is not equal. He just said they werent.

[mellow_me]

marshmallowcreampie

I don't think you mean "Men and women aren't equal". I think you mean "Men and women are not the same". Equal basically means neither is better than the other one. Men and women are considered equal in developed countries, but they are still very different. Men are usually physically stronger. However, women are the ones who go through the pain of labor and have to deal with their period for about a week every month for 50 years (unless they took the pill). Still, since men are usually physically stronger, most women wouldn't be able to get jobs like fire fighters and army soldiers because most wouldn't have the nessecary physical strength for it.

This is a good point to make. Looking through some of these arguments, I notice a lack of definition, like "equality" not being the same as "homogenous" or "the same".

Also, I would like to say that sex is not the same as gender. Sex is what you are biologically, gender is how you percieve yourself. There can be men that are women in gender, and vice versa, though that is generally looked down upon in this culture, thus far.

Society as a whole still has certain expectations assigned to each gender, and gender is still viewed, for the most part, as synonimous with sex. So a girl will grow up bombarded with media and peer portrayals of what it means to be a female, and boys will be bombarded with what it means to be a male. This happens from birth, and is all around us.

Besides this cultural gender socialization, men and women are remarkably alike, though definitelty with their differences. It is just important to understand that the rigid roles each side is expected to play out are largely pushed on to them, consciously or not.

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[Corres]

Riviera de la Mancha

A genderless society is the ideal.

No one should feel they are affeminate for doing what is natural to them. Take me for example; I can iron a dress, clean a house, design it, and cook better than most chicks my age can in college. All I do is womanly under gender schemas, which is a lawed concept. These are tasks, and women as well as man can be just as good or, in my case, better than woman and vice versa. All of these I learned because my home demanded it; my mother has arthritis and simply cant do alot of things with her hands anymore, which forced me to learn at a young age how to help her, just like my brother. The idea of what a gender does is based on what their culture tells, them, which shows how flawed the idea is that any one view is true.

No where did the OP show some kind of proof how either sex is not equal. He just said they werent.

So you think that gender roles are a part of society? You think men and women are different because that's what society dictates? Are you trying to say that men are generally stronger than women because of society? Just trying to clear a few things up before I take a side.

[Kemeoth_Othyre]

We may be different, but we are capable of the same evils and such.

[mellow_me]

Allume-Le-Cirque

Riviera de la Mancha

A genderless society is the ideal.

No one should feel they are affeminate for doing what is natural to them. Take me for example; I can iron a dress, clean a house, design it, and cook better than most chicks my age can in college. All I do is womanly under gender schemas, which is a lawed concept. These are tasks, and women as well as man can be just as good or, in my case, better than woman and vice versa. All of these I learned because my home demanded it; my mother has arthritis and simply cant do alot of things with her hands anymore, which forced me to learn at a young age how to help her, just like my brother. The idea of what a gender does is based on what their culture tells, them, which shows how flawed the idea is that any one view is true.

No where did the OP show some kind of proof how either sex is not equal. He just said they werent.

So you think that gender roles are a part of society? You think men and women are different because that's what society dictates? Are you trying to say that men are generally stronger than women because of society? Just trying to clear a few things up before I take a side.

Did you read my post? I explain this... it is easy to get gender and sex confused, but there is a difference. And please, feel free to challenge me! It's good for strengthening arguments, biggrin

[Always Angry Guy]

Allume-Le-Cirque

Riviera de la Mancha

A genderless society is the ideal.

No one should feel they are affeminate for doing what is natural to them. Take me for example; I can iron a dress, clean a house, design it, and cook better than most chicks my age can in college. All I do is womanly under gender schemas, which is a lawed concept. These are tasks, and women as well as man can be just as good or, in my case, better than woman and vice versa. All of these I learned because my home demanded it; my mother has arthritis and simply cant do alot of things with her hands anymore, which forced me to learn at a young age how to help her, just like my brother. The idea of what a gender does is based on what their culture tells, them, which shows how flawed the idea is that any one view is true.

No where did the OP show some kind of proof how either sex is not equal. He just said they werent.

So you think that gender roles are a part of society? You think men and women are different because that's what society dictates?

Yes. To everything you asked.

[Ms Ling Zhong]

SparklyDoughnut

I agree. We aren't equal, because we are different.
Economically, I think a genderless society would pretty much ruin us. Shopping, for example. The majority of people who shop are female. Most shops have pretty glitsy things that women like. If we were personality-wise genderless, we wouldn't be able to sell things.
Most of what is sold in shops is tailored to gender, because without gender, it would be difficult to design a product that would attract half of the population.

You and him do have a good point smile

[Always Angry Guy]

K!LL

Men are becoming unnecessary.


All that they are needed for are for making more humans.
And men can now donate to the sperm-bank.
So they are becoming increasingly unnecessary.


Plus, the male chromosone is becoming less apparent.
There is two girls born in the United States for everyone one boy.

In Asia, there are nineteen boys for every one girl though.
Which makes up for the United States.

But anyways,
Im not racist.
I actually like guys, even though it doesn't seem like I do. :]

I have no idea what this mess of a post means.

But man, reading ED, it's like White Rabbit was some kind of prophecy.

[Lapinporokoira]

Allume-Le-Cirque

Riviera de la Mancha

A genderless society is the ideal.

No one should feel they are affeminate for doing what is natural to them. Take me for example; I can iron a dress, clean a house, design it, and cook better than most chicks my age can in college. All I do is womanly under gender schemas, which is a lawed concept. These are tasks, and women as well as man can be just as good or, in my case, better than woman and vice versa. All of these I learned because my home demanded it; my mother has arthritis and simply cant do alot of things with her hands anymore, which forced me to learn at a young age how to help her, just like my brother. The idea of what a gender does is based on what their culture tells, them, which shows how flawed the idea is that any one view is true.

No where did the OP show some kind of proof how either sex is not equal. He just said they werent.

So you think that gender roles are a part of society? You think men and women are different because that's what society dictates?

Society and evolution go hand in hand in species that have a communal structure.
As habits between the sex's develop, the body develops to accomodate those skills. It is passed down generation by generation further cementing roles for each gender. Society is like a borg conscious. It dictates culture and behavior considered by the norm. Going outside the norm is seen upon as counter-productive to status-quo. Society is an evil and selfish beast.

[xPartyHartyx]

Hi! Posting is Fun!!!!!!!!!!!! smile xp xp xp biggrin

[Azazen]

If I remember correctly in my whimsical search through genetics research men and women are more different on a genetic level than that of humans and other species of animal if you compare males of the species to human males and vice versa for women.

[Captain Verd]

Rao the Zen Android

Captain Verd

This thread reminds me of the failed women firefighters. Two women who were denied jobs as firefighters tried to sue the city, saying they were denied based on their gender. But in reality, they couldn't carry the 200 pound dummy as far as they needed to, weren't as strong as the men they were training with, and didn't have enough stamina.

Men AREN'T equal to women, even if it's just for obvious reasons like boob difference.

You don't seem to get the moral of the story yourself.

Gender isn't the issue, the issue was these women couldn't do the job.

Can't tell the difference? Try harder.

This goes out to damn well near everyone on this thread going on about what women and men can or can't do.

That wasn't my point. There are women firefighters, which is why this story can't apply universally. I was pointing out that these women were trying to sue BECAUSE they felt they were being discriminated against, when in fact they just weren't good enough. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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Amen. heart