[ Poll ] Legalizing prostitution (mature only please)

Are you for or against prostitution

For		49.4%	[ 79 ]
Against		21.3%	[ 34 ]
Neutral		26.9%	[ 43 ]
undiciede		2.5%	[ 4 ]

Total Votes: 160

[Grungekitty]

Requiem of the Exodus

Death and Misery

Kilomech

Your reasoning is exactly why it needs to be legalized and regulated. It will create a safe and disease-free work environment for the ladies (or men) and also cut down on senseless beatings by pimps and Johns who don't want to pay what they owe.

Actually there's no reason to believe legalization will solve those problems. The criminology of control and psychology of abuse don't really care much for legal matters.

Legalization and legal requirements and regulation (like those I suggested) would solve those problems.

Actually, in Amsterdam, 25% of the prostitutes are still trafficked from poor countries.

Amsterdam's laws are as progressive, as well-enforced as anywhere on the planet: and still 25% of prostitutes are basically enslaved and I would argue that almost all of the rest are either controlled and manipulated to the same effect OR have personality disorders resulting from abusive experiences earlier in their lives.

I regard this as evidence that the trade in the degradation of women CANNOT be made 'acceptable' except to people who want to keep one eye closed.

'Legalisation' and 'decriminalisation' merely legitimise the punters and allow them to fantasise that the whore is a consenting party. Paid sex is about power.

See: Sex trafficking: inside the business of modern slavery
By Siddharth Kara

[That_comic_guy]

Grungekitty

Actually, in Amsterdam, 25% of the prostitutes are still trafficked from poor countries.

Amsterdam's laws are as progressive, as well-enforced as anywhere on the planet: and still 25% of prostitutes are basically enslaved and I would argue that almost all of the rest are either controlled and manipulated to the same effect OR have personality disorders resulting from abusive experiences earlier in their lives.

I regard this as evidence that the trade in the degradation of women CANNOT be made 'acceptable' except to people who want to keep one eye closed.

'Legalisation' and 'decriminalisation' merely legitimise the punters and allow them to fantasise that the whore is a consenting party. Paid sex is about power.

See: Sex trafficking: inside the business of modern slavery
By Siddharth Kara

Who to say all that though? Is it impossible for men and women to so in touch with their sexuality that they can in fact just ******** around? Is sex something to be treasured or is it just sex?

I think it highly depends on the cultural and personal choice. As it's pretty clear you can have sex without being in a relationship and you be in a relationship without sex. So clearly sex isn't some magical sunshine unicorn fart that EVERYONE needs to hold near and dear.

Hate to break to you but sometimes a rose is a rose and a ******** is a ********. People are animals and animals ********. Mostly for reproduction purposes but sometimes just to ********.

I think some of you feminist and/or human right groups get a little too emotional and you fail to see that yes it's an ugly business; however, you forget that kink is kink and as long as it has some type of contents then it's okay.

For example do you feel the same way about people who practice the BDSM lifestyle and/or the whole domestic discipline deal?

[Teacup Chibi]

I don't care either way. I hope Marijuana stays illegal.

[syntax porn]

Can't say with conviction since I'm not a woman and
I have no right to say what is or is not degrading for a woman.

But as an observant, I say an adult should be able to do what she wants with her body
whether or not its necessarily the right choice (but then again, who're we to say what's right?)
or if it agrees with your view.

[That_comic_guy]

crescentstarmoonrise

I don't care either way. I hope Marijuana stays illegal.

I don't. It smells nicer than cancer sticks and it less harmful.

[Sexual Chocolat]

******** yeah, more jobs!

[Teacup Chibi]

That_comic_guy

crescentstarmoonrise

I don't care either way. I hope Marijuana stays illegal.

I don't. It smells nicer than cancer sticks and it less harmful.

I know.

[butsnif]

for
not that working in a legal setting stops you from being a slave in some cases

[Osamas Informer]

i'm from holland its legal here already.


i think that having it illigal is bullshit in the first place.
how the hell can you arrest a woman for what she's allowing too her own body.
allong with that having it illigal causes forced prostitution and bad working conditions for those who are in it.
and what were will they work if they aren't in prostitution, unless there real sex adicts i doubt there highly educated.
so they'll earn lowwer wages or even be out of a job, hooray for goverment controll whee


in holland the woman who are in the prostitution are protected, earn fair wages, there checked upon so the change there forced too do it is smaller.

[Grungekitty]

That_comic_guy

Hate to break to you but sometimes a rose is a rose and a ******** is a ********. People are animals and animals ********. Mostly for reproduction purposes but sometimes just to ********.

Your statement is true. But this thread is about a ******** that is also a commercial transaction: almost always between a pimp and a john, trading a woman's body as a commodity.

Do animals do that ?

That_comic_guy

I think some of you feminist and/or human right groups get a little too emotional and you fail to see that yes it's an ugly business; however, you forget that kink is kink and as long as it has some type of contents then it's okay.

I think that your value judgement 'then it's okay' is an emotional, unjustified statement.

That_comic_guy

For example do you feel the same way about people who practice the BDSM lifestyle and/or the whole domestic discipline deal?

Which people ?
The notional free willed, fully rational adults, playing a consensual game to add 'spice' to their wholesome, fulfilling lives? Or the sad, twisted products of our lousy standards of child-rearing?

I think that the former mostly exist in your fantasies.
People whose sexuality is entwined with fantasies of power, pain and degradation are (generally, not always) people who have identifiable trauma in their past history.
C.f. Masturbational fantasies and early sexual experience.

We become what we pretend to be.
We must be very careful what we pretend to be.

[Kilickt]

Ideally, us living in a free nation and all, I believe that we should be able to do whatever we want to ourselves personally. Selling sexual acts to someone included, especially. Harming someone indefinitely is the only social taboo I see fit to follow, in order for society to get along.

[Osamas Informer]

Grungekitty

Requiem of the Exodus

Death and Misery

Kilomech

Your reasoning is exactly why it needs to be legalized and regulated. It will create a safe and disease-free work environment for the ladies (or men) and also cut down on senseless beatings by pimps and Johns who don't want to pay what they owe.

Actually there's no reason to believe legalization will solve those problems. The criminology of control and psychology of abuse don't really care much for legal matters.

Legalization and legal requirements and regulation (like those I suggested) would solve those problems.

Actually, in Amsterdam, 25% of the prostitutes are still trafficked from poor countries.

Amsterdam's laws are as progressive, as well-enforced as anywhere on the planet: and still 25% of prostitutes are basically enslaved and I would argue that almost all of the rest are either controlled and manipulated to the same effect OR have personality disorders resulting from abusive experiences earlier in their lives.

I regard this as evidence that the trade in the degradation of women CANNOT be made 'acceptable' except to people who want to keep one eye closed.

'Legalisation' and 'decriminalisation' merely legitimise the punters and allow them to fantasise that the whore is a consenting party. Paid sex is about power.

See: Sex trafficking: inside the business of modern slavery
By Siddharth Kara

25% is a bullshit precentage, its pulled out of the air there for its a nice round precentage.
i own serveral windows including 3 in Amsterdam, most ladys are indeed from countries of low wealth.
that doesn't mean there forced, they come too Holland too work for beter wages and more popular area's.
sure there's a few lady's who were brought in under force, but overall most borthel owners won't screw around with slaves because you risk lossing your bussiness when they talk.
most slaves are still in illigal prostitution and not in the windows.
if you realy wana state a number on the forced prostitues in amsterdam the precentage would be around 5%.
its a main sight and the are too many people keeping an eye on it.

[Grungekitty]

Kilickt

Ideally, us living in a free nation and all, I believe that we should be able to do whatever we want to ourselves personally. Selling sexual acts to someone included, especially. Harming someone indefinitely is the only social taboo I see fit to follow, in order for society to get along.

True statements.

However, if you'd care to read some of the literature, you will find that prostitutes are not simple entrepreneurs finding a market niche.
They are damaged or trafficked women.

Your statement is similar to saying that it should be legal to hold up a bank, because after all I have the right to free speech and to own a weapon and to engage in commercial transactions.
And the bank teller has a right to self-defence and to pay out money if he perceives that it will increase his life expectancy.

The similarity is that both paragraphs speak about freedom and rights, whilst ignoring the actual issue.

[Grungekitty]

Osamas Informer

Grungekitty

See: Sex trafficking: inside the business of modern slavery
By Siddharth Kara

25% is a bullshit precentage, its pulled out of the air there for its a nice round precentage.

If you want to convince people, it would be good if you produced a verifiable fact or two - pulling out internet anecdotes doesn't convince me.

As Pope Alessandro Borgia said to me on coffee break: 'On the internet, people can't see if you're a 16 year old blonde or a four hundred year old head of the Catholic church. But they can still tell if you're a wise guy or an idiot.'

[Kilickt]

Grungekitty

Kilickt

Ideally, us living in a free nation and all, I believe that we should be able to do whatever we want to ourselves personally. Selling sexual acts to someone included, especially. Harming someone indefinitely is the only social taboo I see fit to follow, in order for society to get along.

True statements.

However, if you'd care to read some of the literature, you will find that prostitutes are not simple entrepreneurs finding a market niche.
They are damaged or trafficked women.

Your statement is similar to saying that it should be legal to hold up a bank, because after all I have the right to free speech and to own a weapon and to engage in commercial transactions.
And the bank teller has a right to self-defence and to pay out money if he perceives that it will increase his life expectancy.

The similarity is that both paragraphs speak about freedom and rights, whilst ignoring the actual issue.

I don't particularly think it would become too much of a problem. If you're not allowed to potentially harm or actually harm someone, then all the acts that are harmful in prostitution would be abolished. Like trafficking. That's not to say it would stop of course.

In reality, if prostitution existed globally, it is possible that trafficking could be lessened to some extent anyways.