Legalizing prostitution (mature only please)

Are you for or against prostitution

For	49.1%	[ 79 ]
Against	21.1%	[ 34 ]
Neutral	27.3%	[ 44 ]
undiciede	2.5%	[ 4 ]
Total Votes:			[ 161 ]

[Keryyyy]

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

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Jaishirri

We wouldn't be able to base the system off of something we already know. If it was legalized and regulated (and enforced mind you), there is no reason why we cannot create a better and safer work environment for prostitues.

There are places where it is legalized. There's plenty of data if you really wanted it. Ignorance is not acceptable.

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You could convict pimps and abusive partners with paperwork. There would have to be paper trails, which is the point of regulation. You would get rid of "pimps"/ they would be unable to acquire a lisence. You'd give prostitutes a voice.

You need to explain, primarily because coercion exists far beyond this; there are people who deal drugs because of coercion and won't "tattle" on their oppressors for fear of their lives. Also, a license would make a hard to convict case even harder to convict considering he could claim ( and with paper trail, show ) that she signed up willingly, regardless of the fact, then show a shiny plastic laminated card saying he has the right to basically run his business.

Didn't you know that's how drug cartels and sex trafficking rings get around? They pose as legitimate businesses. Making sex trafficking an actual legitimate business only makes their jobs easier because again you just coerce someone to sign a paper and voila they sign their lives over to you while you look good on the books.

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WenchUndertheBridge

It's legal already. Most women do it. They do it for the man to pay for meals, to pay their bills, buy them clothes and jewelry. This is the way we get payment for services rendered.

marriage = prostitution

I wonder what the Pope and other religions leaders would have to say about this concept.

Personally I think the government just needs to stay out of the bedroom. What does it matter to the overall big picture of society if citizenA must pay citizenB to have sex? Look what happened in California with the Defense of Marriage Act that the Mormon church pushed through...If an act in and of itself does not harm another, why should it be illegal? This idea that the government is responsible for the morality of it's citizenry is a joke. How many of you have parents that teach you their beliefs of right and wrong? How many of you actually believe every single thing your parents taught you as the end all be all truth?

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Keryyyy

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

I can't see how the "profession" being old or historical makes it any more acceptable. Perhaps Geishas were more dignified, and maybe an old French king's mistresses were treated better, but thats just not the world we're living in now. Regulated, tested prostitutes would be nice - for the customer - but if recent intelligence regarding legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is to be believed, the girls would more than likely still be slaves, still be abused, because honestly, who would be a prostitute by choice?

What percentage of prostitutes do people suppose are really just girls who want some money on the side? Isn't it more frequent that the women who become prostitutes are driven to starvation and poverty before they turn to prostitution as a last resort?

If these are girls who are being drugged, abused, or threatened, then yes, the pimps really and truly are "real criminals". Women involved in prostitution are also 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered than non prostitutes.

[Jaishirri]

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Jaishirri

We wouldn't be able to base the system off of something we already know. If it was legalized and regulated (and enforced mind you), there is no reason why we cannot create a better and safer work environment for prostitues.

There are places where it is legalized. There's plenty of data if you really wanted it. Ignorance is not acceptable.

Places like Germany are examples but we can make better on there systems. We could ensure, with the proper systems, that prostitures would no longer be strong-armed by pimps or organized crime rings. We could curtail underage prostitution.

Jaishirri

You could convict pimps and abusive partners with paperwork. There would have to be paper trails, which is the point of regulation. You would get rid of "pimps"/ they would be unable to acquire a lisence. You'd give prostitutes a voice.

Cutie-pie Sleepyhead

You need to explain, primarily because coercion exists far beyond this; there are people who deal drugs because of coercion and won't "tattle" on their oppressors for fear of their lives. Also, a license would make a hard to convict case even harder to convict considering he could claim ( and with paper trail, show ) that she signed up willingly, regardless of the fact, then show a shiny plastic laminated card saying he has the right to basically run his business.

Didn't you know that's how drug cartels and sex trafficking rings get around? They pose as legitimate businesses. Making sex trafficking an actual legitimate business only makes their jobs easier because again you just coerce someone to sign a paper and voila they sign their lives over to you while you look good on the books.

The drug dealing business is not a good example, because they are not legalized nor regulated industries. Yes, a license would prove that the pimp in question has a right to run his business. But he would have to run his business in a certain way, the way in which my local coffee shop is run for example. They could convict him for breaking policies and regulations tied to the licence that he willingly applied for.

I'm saying it could be regulated. An actual business. And not what it current is + being legal. We would have to change many things. But it is possible. We could give prostitutes a voice.

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Jaishirri

The drug dealing business is not a good example, because they are not legalized nor regulated industries. Yes, a license would prove that the pimp in question has a right to run his business. But he would have to run his business in a certain way, the way in which my local coffee shop is run for example. They could convict him for breaking policies and regulations tied to the licence that he willingly applied for.

I'm saying it could be regulated. An actual business. And not what it current is + being legal. We would have to change many things. But it is possible. We could give prostitutes a voice.

I cannot imagine that prostitution would survive as an industry, as it doesn't have a place in the cultured society we believe ourselves to be in. There's still a shame and stigma attached to going to a prostitute, and as long as thats true, customers will prefer that their 'suppliers' be less than official, less regulated, and with much less of a "paper trail". Drug dealing ISN'T a good example, as visiting prostitutes is arguably less addictive, giving patrons less incentive to risk anything to continue to buy.

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Keryyyy

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

I can't see how the "profession" being old or historical makes it any more acceptable. Perhaps Geishas were more dignified, and maybe an old French king's mistresses were treated better, but thats just not the world we're living in now. Regulated, tested prostitutes would be nice - for the customer - but if recent intelligence regarding legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is to be believed, the girls would more than likely still be slaves, still be abused, because honestly, who would be a prostitute by choice?

What percentage of prostitutes do people suppose are really just girls who want some money on the side? Isn't it more frequent that the women who become prostitutes are driven to starvation and poverty before they turn to prostitution as a last resort?

If these are girls who are being drugged, abused, or threatened, then yes, the pimps really and truly are "real criminals". Women involved in prostitution are also 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered than non prostitutes.

A fairer example would have been Nevada. Anyway, legal or not, there's going to be prostitution. It's a supply and demand issue. Even in countries where the penalty for prostitution is death, they still catch them (allegedly). I say let's get the girls off the street. Reading your source, I get the impression that legalization would decrease the murder rate as well. Illegal transactions are dangerous, (because there is no good way to handle disputes) legalization would mean less dead hookers.

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Jaishirri

Places like Germany are examples but we can make better on there systems. We could ensure, with the proper systems, that prostitures would no longer be strong-armed by pimps or organized crime rings. We could curtail underage prostitution.

Then give some kind of skeleton to this system; tell me how it works. The more detail the better; saying "we can do better!" isn't doing better.

Jaishirri

The drug dealing business is not a good example, because they are not legalized nor regulated industries.

Actually marijuana is still a problem in places where it is legal in regards to trafficking, further common drugs like alcohol and tobacco also have an illegal trade. The fact that we don't think about them doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Yes, a license would prove that the pimp in question has a right to run his business. But he would have to run his business in a certain way, the way in which my local coffee shop is run for example. They could convict him for breaking policies and regulations tied to the licence that he willingly applied for.

You have to prove that he's breaking these policies. The entire problem with your optimism is that it has no substance! You can put 1,001 laws on the books about this, so what? If you can't prove his activities to be illicit you won't get anywhere! The reason why I speak relatively harshly is because there are ways to get people to do things they do not want to without actually applying what appears to be illegal force. You do not need blackmail and whatnot; coercion can even run down to "you won't have a job and society doesn't accept your lot", something is still relatively true ( thus why prostitutes often try to keep their prostitution secret ) in most societies, even those with the standard legalization in place.

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I'm saying it could be regulated. An actual business. And not what it current is + being legal. We would have to change many things. But it is possible. We could give prostitutes a voice.

Empty hopes!

If I asked you "how?" what would your answer be? It's been four posts and all I've heard is "Well, we could!"... So? I'm happy it can happen in fairy-tale land, and I'll move there next summer of course, but in this reality you've not shown any particular system that works. It's all quick and made up, not considering the complications that run with your own suggestions.

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Keryyyy

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

I can't see how the "profession" being old or historical makes it any more acceptable. Perhaps Geishas were more dignified, and maybe an old French king's mistresses were treated better, but thats just not the world we're living in now. Regulated, tested prostitutes would be nice - for the customer - but if recent intelligence regarding legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is to be believed, the girls would more than likely still be slaves, still be abused, because honestly, who would be a prostitute by choice?

What percentage of prostitutes do people suppose are really just girls who want some money on the side? Isn't it more frequent that the women who become prostitutes are driven to starvation and poverty before they turn to prostitution as a last resort?

If these are girls who are being drugged, abused, or threatened, then yes, the pimps really and truly are "real criminals". Women involved in prostitution are also 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered than non prostitutes.

A fairer example would have been Nevada. Anyway, legal or not, there's going to be prostitution. It's a supply and demand issue. Even in countries where the penalty for prostitution is death, they still catch them (allegedly). I say let's get the girls off the street. Reading your source, I get the impression that legalization would decrease the murder rate as well. Illegal transactions are dangerous, (because there is no good way to handle disputes) legalization would mean less dead hookers.

I agree with your view on my source - but it is an unfinished study and the possibility that women are killed because of the illegal transaction is but one of several theories. However, I strongly support your suggestion - rather than sitting here, debating about safe, healthy, and fair legalization of prostitution in a perfect world, isn't it easier and wiser to agree that prostitution, as a whole, should end? If it were as completely unacceptable in society as, say, child molestation, and the people who went to prostitutes were looked down on the same way, with the same disgust and fury, it would rapidly cause the industry to decline.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

bbgrl

Okay, so I have a persuasive speech to give next week, and I could go for a bit of insight on this issue. So, here's the question:

Legalizing Prostitution - are you for or against it? Why or why not?

*edit please put down why you are n the position on this topic that you are

Roundly against the act of legalized prostitution, as it is an inherently dangerous occupation that no reasonable person would elect or ought be allowed to elect.

I support brothel prostitution, which is a different matter, and the one you would do best to turn to inorder to make your case.

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Keryyyy

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

I can't see how the "profession" being old or historical makes it any more acceptable. Perhaps Geishas were more dignified, and maybe an old French king's mistresses were treated better, but thats just not the world we're living in now. Regulated, tested prostitutes would be nice - for the customer - but if recent intelligence regarding legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is to be believed, the girls would more than likely still be slaves, still be abused, because honestly, who would be a prostitute by choice?

What percentage of prostitutes do people suppose are really just girls who want some money on the side? Isn't it more frequent that the women who become prostitutes are driven to starvation and poverty before they turn to prostitution as a last resort?

If these are girls who are being drugged, abused, or threatened, then yes, the pimps really and truly are "real criminals". Women involved in prostitution are also 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered than non prostitutes.

A fairer example would have been Nevada. Anyway, legal or not, there's going to be prostitution. It's a supply and demand issue. Even in countries where the penalty for prostitution is death, they still catch them (allegedly). I say let's get the girls off the street. Reading your source, I get the impression that legalization would decrease the murder rate as well. Illegal transactions are dangerous, (because there is no good way to handle disputes) legalization would mean less dead hookers.

I agree with your view on my source - but it is an unfinished study and the possibility that women are killed because of the illegal transaction is but one of several theories. However, I strongly support your suggestion - rather than sitting here, debating about safe, healthy, and fair legalization of prostitution in a perfect world, isn't it easier and wiser to agree that prostitution, as a whole, should end? If it were as completely unacceptable in society as, say, child molestation, and the people who went to prostitutes were looked down on the same way, with the same disgust and fury, it would rapidly cause the industry to decline.

Actually, it has been looked down for some time in American history, with no such success.

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Keryyyy

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

I can't see how the "profession" being old or historical makes it any more acceptable. Perhaps Geishas were more dignified, and maybe an old French king's mistresses were treated better, but thats just not the world we're living in now. Regulated, tested prostitutes would be nice - for the customer - but if recent intelligence regarding legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is to be believed, the girls would more than likely still be slaves, still be abused, because honestly, who would be a prostitute by choice?

What percentage of prostitutes do people suppose are really just girls who want some money on the side? Isn't it more frequent that the women who become prostitutes are driven to starvation and poverty before they turn to prostitution as a last resort?

If these are girls who are being drugged, abused, or threatened, then yes, the pimps really and truly are "real criminals". Women involved in prostitution are also 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered than non prostitutes.

A fairer example would have been Nevada. Anyway, legal or not, there's going to be prostitution. It's a supply and demand issue. Even in countries where the penalty for prostitution is death, they still catch them (allegedly). I say let's get the girls off the street. Reading your source, I get the impression that legalization would decrease the murder rate as well. Illegal transactions are dangerous, (because there is no good way to handle disputes) legalization would mean less dead hookers.

I agree with your view on my source - but it is an unfinished study and the possibility that women are killed because of the illegal transaction is but one of several theories. However, I strongly support your suggestion - rather than sitting here, debating about safe, healthy, and fair legalization of prostitution in a perfect world, isn't it easier and wiser to agree that prostitution, as a whole, should end? If it were as completely unacceptable in society as, say, child molestation, and the people who went to prostitutes were looked down on the same way, with the same disgust and fury, it would rapidly cause the industry to decline.

Actually, it has been looked down for some time in American history, with no such success.

Oh, certainly it is looked down on, but not with the same ardor as other sex crimes. A politician or public figure who is shown to be involved in a prostitution ring is humiliated and forced to resign, obviously, but a politician who molested a child and was caught? The public would be screaming for blood.

[CoffeeSip]

I read a book on the history of prostitution and it was very interesting. I think it should be treated like any other career choice, I don't think the social stigma that so many associate with the sexual act is healthy and is a tool of repression. Regulatory standards are desperately needed to keep the industry safe. Legalization would make monitoring easier and allow health workers an opportunity to inform those involved as to how to be safe and healthy. It is my opinion that laws governing how a person enjoys their body are out dated. It is my opinion that this issue is just another distraction from other bigger issues, I am impatient with the lack of support for legalization. I would prefer if the activity was supervised to keep it safe and professional and that would eliminate the problems associated with the issue. I believe the criminalization allows for those very abuses to take place that we are trying to avoid and that decriminalization would solve them. It would be interesting if there was a study done to compare, but I don't know of any?

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xXGreenlylXx

I read a book on the history of prostitution and it was very interesting. I think it should be treated like any other career choice, I don't think the social stigma that so many associate with the sexual act is healthy and is a tool of repression. Regulatory standards are desperately needed to keep the industry safe. Legalization would make monitoring easier and allow health workers an opportunity to inform those involved as to how to be safe and healthy. It is my opinion that laws governing how a person enjoys their body are out dated. It is my opinion that this issue is just another distraction from other bigger issues, I am impatient with the lack of support for legalization. I would prefer if the activity was supervised to keep it safe and professional and that would eliminate the problems associated with the issue. I believe the criminalization allows for those very abuses to take place that we are trying to avoid and that decriminalization would solve them. It would be interesting if there was a study done to compare, but I don't know of any?

There is already so much crime and so many problems involved with prostitution, even in a place like Amsterdam where it has been legalized, that its doubtful that "decriminalization would solve them". Girls are drugged, abused, smuggled, kidnapped; pimps become felons and managers of a business of human trafficking, because no one would be a prostitute otherwise.

However if you mean that random co-eds should be allowed to request payment for ******** guys she meets at bars, then I don't genuinely have any opinion on that. That's not the discussion here. "How people enjoy their body"? Who becomes a prostitute in order to fully "enjoy" their body?

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Keryyyy

prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. i'm totally for it. if someone close to me really feels like they need to go to a prostitue then i'd reather it be one that is regulated and gets tested often and its being closly monitored so no one involved gets hurt.

and who the hell is the government to tell us what we can or cannot do with our bodies? ef that, this is supposed to be a free country.

plus then police can actually look for the real criminals instead the the person trying to make money, not kill people or get them addicted to drugs. or maybe go after the child molesters. i'm sorry but i think there is a lot more and worse crimes out there that the police could be looking for. stare

I can't see how the "profession" being old or historical makes it any more acceptable. Perhaps Geishas were more dignified, and maybe an old French king's mistresses were treated better, but thats just not the world we're living in now. Regulated, tested prostitutes would be nice - for the customer - but if recent intelligence regarding legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is to be believed, the girls would more than likely still be slaves, still be abused, because honestly, who would be a prostitute by choice?

What percentage of prostitutes do people suppose are really just girls who want some money on the side? Isn't it more frequent that the women who become prostitutes are driven to starvation and poverty before they turn to prostitution as a last resort?

If these are girls who are being drugged, abused, or threatened, then yes, the pimps really and truly are "real criminals". Women involved in prostitution are also 60 to 100 times more likely to be murdered than non prostitutes.

A fairer example would have been Nevada. Anyway, legal or not, there's going to be prostitution. It's a supply and demand issue. Even in countries where the penalty for prostitution is death, they still catch them (allegedly). I say let's get the girls off the street. Reading your source, I get the impression that legalization would decrease the murder rate as well. Illegal transactions are dangerous, (because there is no good way to handle disputes) legalization would mean less dead hookers.

I agree with your view on my source - but it is an unfinished study and the possibility that women are killed because of the illegal transaction is but one of several theories. However, I strongly support your suggestion - rather than sitting here, debating about safe, healthy, and fair legalization of prostitution in a perfect world, isn't it easier and wiser to agree that prostitution, as a whole, should end? If it were as completely unacceptable in society as, say, child molestation, and the people who went to prostitutes were looked down on the same way, with the same disgust and fury, it would rapidly cause the industry to decline.

Actually, it has been looked down for some time in American history, with no such success.

Oh, certainly it is looked down on, but not with the same ardor as other sex crimes. A politician or public figure who is shown to be involved in a prostitution ring is humiliated and forced to resign, obviously, but a politician who molested a child and was caught? The public would be screaming for blood.

I am saying that, historically for a time, it was met with such a fury. Look into the reformation efforts in American history, about the time when it was first criminalized. The social pressure was of such an intensity as you seek, and yet, we did not see the effect you claim we would expect.