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Joe the Plumber

Great move for McCain. 0.13836477987421 13.8% [ 22 ]
Desperate move for McCain. 0.86163522012579 86.2% [ 137 ]
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Atheistic Acorn
Haven't you heard...
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Everyone note that it turns out Joe the Plumber doesn't even have the certification to be a plumber. Fail. rofl

that I'm the new Cancer?User Image
Are you serious?
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Poor Joe... sweatdrop
I'm pretty sure he didn't bargain for this...
Yeah I saw that, that was some epic fail on McCain.
Does Joe the plumber even have a family?
I really like what he had to say. He put a very intelligent, morally responsible face on middle class america.

I don't that he hurt Obama as much as he helped McCain know what he is talking about. All Obama said to that man was to dodge the question he asked. How un-presidential.
That 'zero' bit was priceless.

McCain was owned hardcore. His VP pick is more civilized than he is, and that's saying something. At least she's capable of being friendly during a debate. McCain looked like an angry, arrogant old man who was upset that someone he thinks is inferior to himself is winning by such a huge margin. He wouldn't look Obama in the eye, he made childish faces, rude comments, etc. Just...

I used to think he was an OK guy. Now, well, he's just become this caricature of a crazy old man out of touch with the rest of society.

I mean, come on; making fun of distributing wealth around? How is that a bad idea?
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I'm currently watching the debate. And laughing. I think someone could make a drinking game around Joe.

Every time McCain mentions Joe the Plumber, take a shot. By the end, you'll be drunk off your a**.

I think they both have some good points, but this is something I could very nearly see early on in the debate, when talking about the economy...

Obama: "I'm going to give tax cuts."
McCain: "See? He wants to raise taxes!"
Obama: "Wait... w-what?"
McCain: "I want to CUT taxes!"
Obama: "...******** you, old man!"

Not saying it did happen, but it all confused me very greatly. xd
Nillia
What do you think of 'Joe the Plumber's' frequent mention in the debate last night?


I thought it was lulzy and desperate. McCain kept trying to use this guy to bolster himself, without acknowledging the fact that Joe would only be taxed by Obami if he's making over $250,000.


You do realize that 95% of the 2% of citizens citizens making over $250,000 are small business owners..


And small business is the corner stone of the economy.


And out of the folks that won't be taxed, 35% of them don't pay income taxes anyway....


So...
I thought it was a completely desperate move.
George Kapland Jr
Nillia
What do you think of 'Joe the Plumber's' frequent mention in the debate last night?


I thought it was lulzy and desperate. McCain kept trying to use this guy to bolster himself, without acknowledging the fact that Joe would only be taxed by Obami if he's making over $250,000.


You do realize that 95% of the 2% of citizens citizens making over $250,000 are small business owners..


And small business is the corner stone of the economy.


And out of the folks that won't be taxed, 35% of them don't pay income taxes anyway....


So...


35% Just where are you getting your numbers, sir? Please cite a reliable source.

Regardless, small business owners will get more business if their consumers and clients can more easily afford their services. For example, if I get a tax-cut, I would go eat a restaurant or two. Buy a new pair of shoes from that local shoe store. (my old ones are falling apart) I'll go buy new paint, art pens and markers from the local art store. I could get a nice new haircut too. ETC. I could also buy a little more food and textbooks. I can barely feed myself right now, and I keep having to borrow books because I could not afford them all.

See, I'm one of those college grad students that is desperately trying to survive through costly tuition-- so that I can be an educated member of the generation that will take over running this country. You want this generation to survive through educating themselves, right? We're working hard here.

It bothers me when people think that money = degree of hard work. Just because somebody doesn't have a lot of money doesn't mean they don't work hard. Take nurses, teachers, counselors, social workers. These are professions that require a lot of hard work, and long hours (particularly nurses). You must be bright, caring, and hard-working. Nurses and teachers are essential to society's survival. And yet, they rarely make more than 40k a year.

Small businesses often don't make that much money. When they do-- WOW. What a success! Obviously, they're doing so well that a 3% tax won't effect them much. At the end of it, they'll still have more money than everybody else, so we can still call this a capitalist society.

"The average small business owner or chief executive brings home an annual salary of $233,600...(and)...The average salary of a business owner in retail trade, for instance, is $169,500" ---Wall Street Journal
I thought that Joe the Plumber guy was a plant, and not even an actual plumber at all?

proof?
Nillia
George Kapland Jr
Nillia
What do you think of 'Joe the Plumber's' frequent mention in the debate last night?


I thought it was lulzy and desperate. McCain kept trying to use this guy to bolster himself, without acknowledging the fact that Joe would only be taxed by Obami if he's making over $250,000.


You do realize that 95% of the 2% of citizens citizens making over $250,000 are small business owners..


And small business is the corner stone of the economy.


And out of the folks that won't be taxed, 35% of them don't pay income taxes anyway....


So...


35% Just where are you getting your numbers, sir? Please cite a reliable source.

Regardless, small business owners will get more business if their consumers and clients can more easily afford their services. For example, if I get a tax-cut, I would go eat a restaurant or two. Buy a new pair of shoes from that local shoe store. (my old ones are falling apart) I'll go buy new paint, art pens and markers from the local art store. I could get a nice new haircut too. ETC. I could also buy a little more food and textbooks. I can barely feed myself right now, and I keep having to borrow books because I could not afford them all.

See, I'm one of those college grad students that is desperately trying to survive through costly tuition-- so that I can be an educated member of the generation that will take over running this country. You want this generation to survive through educating themselves, right? We're working hard here.

It bothers me when people think that money = degree of hard work. Just because somebody doesn't have a lot of money doesn't mean they don't work hard. Take nurses, teachers, counselors, social workers. These are professions that require a lot of hard work, and long hours (particularly nurses). You must be bright, caring, and hard-working. Nurses and teachers are essential to society's survival. And yet, they rarely make more than 40k a year.

Small businesses often don't make that much money. When they do-- WOW. What a success! Obviously, they're doing so well that a 3% tax won't effect them much. At the end of it, they'll still have more money than everybody else, so we can still call this a capitalist society.

"The average small business owner or chief executive brings home an annual salary of $233,600...(and)...The average salary of a business owner in retail trade, for instance, is $169,500" ---Wall Street Journal


...You don't quite understand..

I'm not talking majorities or minorities.. I'm talking the 5 or so percent, I was wrong on the 2% I looked at Obama's speech 95% of Americans won't be taxed.

Out of the 5% that will be taxed, an overwhelming majority are small bussiness owners.

Out of the 95% that won't be taxed, 35% they are earning "refundable tax credits" I.E. Welfare.. Thus won't benefit at all.

And I got my information from:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/presidential_candidates.cfm
Roko Gunshin
Atheistic Acorn
Haven't you heard...
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Everyone note that it turns out Joe the Plumber doesn't even have the certification to be a plumber. Fail. rofl

that I'm the new Cancer?User Image
Are you serious?

Yeah, I heard bits and pieces on the news this morning. (Couldn't catch it all kids were running around yelling. crying )
Xiam
I'm currently watching the debate. And laughing. I think someone could make a drinking game around Joe.

Every time McCain mentions Joe the Plumber, take a shot. By the end, you'll be drunk off your a**.

I think they both have some good points, but this is something I could very nearly see early on in the debate, when talking about the economy...

Obama: "I'm going to give tax cuts."
McCain: "See? He wants to raise taxes!"
Obama: "Wait... w-what?"
McCain: "I want to CUT taxes!"
Obama: "...******** you, old man!"

Not saying it did happen, but it all confused me very greatly. xd


That Obama/McCain argument would have been hilarious.

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