prof-whoriarty
Mika Talanis
prof-whoriarty
Mika Talanis
The concepts are not connected. Its not 'a taking of a life', its 'eating of another member of the animal kingdom'.
are you implying that if we were to go out and kill every animal we see but not use the meat that that would be okay?
doesn't that seem like a waste of a life?
shouldn't you put it to use if it's going to die?
He was asking about the stance on abortion.
and humans, according to you, are on equal planes to one another, meaning that if you're okay with killing human fetuses than you should be fine with killing other animals as long as we're not eating them, since that's your problem with it apparently.
I've stated I do not take much issue with those who do so humanely, more than once. Just because I choose to not consume meat, and choose to vilify the mass production and inhumane killing that goes hand in hand with it, in no way means I am vilifying those who do consume meat.
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For many its not about the killing, its the eating of your neighbor.
they're not our neighbor.
Yes, they are, unless you live on a polar ice cap where there isn't another living thing for hundreds of miles.
prof-whoriarty
I have no emotional connection with the chicken that I'm currently cooking as I reply to you. this chicken never lived near me, I never spoke to it, I have no way of communicating with it at all.
I have no emotional connection with someone living a block away from my home. By this reasoning it would be perfectly acceptable for me to go shoot them in their bed, yes?
prof-whoriarty
it was literally born to die so that way we could consume it.
I have already stated that I am morally opposed to mass production.
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You wouldn't go to your neighbor's home and cut a piece off of him to fry up,
I ******** hate my neighbors, actually. If I were starving and for some reason there was no food left anywhere other than our fellow man, my neighbors would be the first to be on a frying pan.
I am not referring to extremes where you are the last living souls on the planet, so please do not use such unrealistic scenarios.
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so why would you do it to another member of the animal kingdom?
because it's the circle of life, we've got to eat. Plants are alive as well and there have been studies done that showed that they have emotions just the same as animals [
source]. If I chose to not eat anything else out of remorse then I'd literally die of starvation. humans need to eat, bottom line.
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Yes for some its a combination of the two, but usually the moral opposition comes from the fact that they are killed inhumanely and they are made to suffer.
they aren't human, so why should we go out of the way to treat them humanely?
So you think someone should be allowed to let their pets starve to death and die of thirst and nothing should be done to the owner? After all, that dog isn't a human so who cares if its starved to death. Who cares if its beaten, mutilated, and lives a life of extreme suffering.
prof-whoriarty
Have you ever worked on a farm that breeds animals to eat them? I've personally helped my friend clean her pig pen (she's feeding them to fatten them up before they're sold for slaughter to make her school money for funds) and let me tell you, it's a pain in the a** to get it halfway decent seeming. pampering them while they're alive would take far too much energy, especially considering how many animals usually are in a place like that. it's a lot of ******** work and takes a lot of time and energy that most people just don't have. you've got to be realistic.
So you are making the claim now that there has always been mass production? That in the earlier times, before the industrial revolution, they had huge plants where animals were crammed together, beaten, abused, living with festering sores, and living in deplorable conditions? You're going to have to prove that one.
Yes, I have worked in such a situation. I grew up helping on neighboring farms
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When comparing that with say abortion it doesn't fit because there is no suffering involved.
you're right, it's just murdering a fellow human being right before it has the chance to have a life of its own.
No, its not 'murdering' anything. Please learn what a legal definition is and use it accordingly.
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Personally i don't really take issue with those who hunt their own food or buy from local farmers, because the animals are treated properly.
No they aren't treated very well at local farms.
See above. I disagree with you as my experiences show otherwise.
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and I'd like to know why you're okay with hunting, just out of curiosity?
Because you are usually killing the animal with a single shot, so it isn't being killed inhumanely. It is not going to suffer. My moral opposition is towards the inhumane treatment and suffering that comes from mass production. I've stated that repeatedly.