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Yes, a topic about immigration has been made. I felt that this belongs in ED because this is a debate that seriously questions the reasons why our great government made and passed these super strict immigration laws. There should be no personal attacks made and no misrepresentation of opposing points, since I expect EDers to be above such fallicious tactics. I would very much like to revisit this thread several times and instead find clean and open debating. I conclude that to do so, I must refrain from posting my own personal biases regarding the issue. Also, please don't simply parrot another user; use your own wording and voice some of your own questions regarding this admittedly complex topic.
 
     
 
I think our immigration laws should reflect what is best for our current citizens. If that entails keeping cheaper labor out of the country, then so be it. We have no obligation as a nation to do what is best for the citizens of another nation.
     
Dream Avi
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"Dark Lord Drake"
I think our immigration laws should reflect what is best for our current citizens. If that entails keeping cheaper labor out of the country, then so be it. We have no obligation as a nation to do what is best for the citizens of another nation.


DEY TUKK R JURBS!!!
 
     
Ares - Greek God of War
 
I feel since nobody tries to come in to the US legally, then stricter laws might discourage and make it harder for those who want to be here illegally, and those who want to be here legally will follow the laws to do so.
But, I don't keep up much with the immigration thing, and that probably reflects in my post.. sweatdrop
     
PoopSmith Smitherton
"Ares - Greek God of War"
"Dark Lord Drake"
I think our immigration laws should reflect what is best for our current citizens. If that entails keeping cheaper labor out of the country, then so be it. We have no obligation as a nation to do what is best for the citizens of another nation.


DEY TUKK R JURBS!!!


I'm not going to bother making an account just to see that video. State your position or counterargument yourself don't give me a video.
 
     
Dream Avi
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"Dark Lord Drake"
"Ares - Greek God of War"
"Dark Lord Drake"
I think our immigration laws should reflect what is best for our current citizens. If that entails keeping cheaper labor out of the country, then so be it. We have no obligation as a nation to do what is best for the citizens of another nation.


DEY TUKK R JURBS!!!


I'm not going to bother making an account just to see that video. State your position or counterargument yourself don't give me a video.

What he said was based off a south park episode. These people came from the future and started living in the US, worked for cheap, and all the hillbillies complained that "dey turk r jorbs."
     
PoopSmith Smitherton
i live in an area full of illegal citizens. i have no issue with them other than they don't pay taxes. i think the laws are good because america has been catering to illegal citizens for so long and our country is losing a ton of money by doing it. also its great that america is "the land of opportunity" but its been getting more and more difficult for legal citizens to find work because its more cost effective for companies to pay under the table and the only ones guaranteed not to blab about it are illegal.my step family is peruvian and it isnt fair for someone to do the requirements to become a citizen and work so hard to legally stay in our country when the people who are breaking our laws by just hoppin the fence are able to make more money by not paying taxes and cant and in front of 711 to find work while the legal people must prove citizenship to get a job and even then they are still under suspicion
 
     
 
racist crap!
     
so I can't call you out, you know who you are, and your sig still sucks

"Any one of the strange laws we suffer is a compromise between a fad and a vested interest."-G.K Chesterton
"Dark Lord Drake"
"Ares - Greek God of War"
"Dark Lord Drake"
I think our immigration laws should reflect what is best for our current citizens. If that entails keeping cheaper labor out of the country, then so be it. We have no obligation as a nation to do what is best for the citizens of another nation.


DEY TUKK R JURBS!!!


I'm not going to bother making an account just to see that video. State your position or counterargument yourself don't give me a video.


I actually agree with you. I think we should be able to actually afford to pay higher wages for legal American workers. It's a funny video, though, and in this day in age everyone should have a youtube account. Lighten up, playa.
 
     
Ares - Greek God of War
 
"Ares - Greek God of War"
"Dark Lord Drake"
"Ares - Greek God of War"
"Dark Lord Drake"
I think our immigration laws should reflect what is best for our current citizens. If that entails keeping cheaper labor out of the country, then so be it. We have no obligation as a nation to do what is best for the citizens of another nation.


DEY TUKK R JURBS!!!


I'm not going to bother making an account just to see that video. State your position or counterargument yourself don't give me a video.


I actually agree with you. I think we should be able to actually afford to pay higher wages for legal American workers. It's a funny video, though, and in this day in age everyone should have a youtube account. Lighten up, playa.


Oh okay sorry sweatdrop

Well I don't go around youtube often, I just get sent links once in a while which don't require me to make an account to view.
     
Dream Avi
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"Dr_Congressman"
racist crap!


Explain your reasoning before making such a ridiculous accusation, please.
 
     
Harvested Sorrow
 
"Harvested Sorrow"
"Dr_Congressman"
racist crap!


Explain your reasoning before making such a ridiculous accusation, please.


Not ridiculous at all, and it said in the thread title one or the other so I picked that one.

My reasoning is that there isn't any reason to not want other people to come into our country besides racist ones, however they by be veiled.
     
so I can't call you out, you know who you are, and your sig still sucks

"Any one of the strange laws we suffer is a compromise between a fad and a vested interest."-G.K Chesterton
It is ridiculous because this view is usually predicated off of ignorance.

I'd say the economic costs (in terms of hospital bills and lost taxes), the fact that they're knowingly breaking the law rather than waiting in line, and the sharp social costs that come with it are all good reasons to stop illegal immigration. If people want to immigrate, they can use the proper channels to get in.
 
     
Harvested Sorrow
 
I forgot what I was saying, I was distracted by pancakes..

Oh yeah, anyone who claims that all Hispanics should be removed for the reason that they are taking up jobs, increasing the crime rate, influencing our so called "culture", I truly question their actual motives. First, it's impossible to remove all the illegal immigrants. I say, let them all in, put them into a database, if they commit a crime take them back to Mexico. This will discourage them from committing crimes in America because keep in mind, they come to work and not to spread crime. There are plenty of jobs.
     

The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over.
"Harvested Sorrow"
It is ridiculous because this view is usually predicated off of ignorance.

I'd say the economic costs (in terms of hospital bills and lost taxes), the fact that they're knowingly breaking the law rather than waiting in line, and the sharp social costs that come with it are all good reasons to stop illegal immigration. If people want to immigrate, they can use the proper channels to get in.


I don't care if they get to use my tax money at the hospital, these things are for the welfare of the people. I also don't agree with the idea of criminalizing the people who are wanting to come here. It needs to be very easy for them to become citizens. We have room for growth, especially in the Mid-west. Having more people that are citizens paying taxes, and spending the money here would boost the economy in of itself.

there isn't a reason to not want other people to come into the country

edit: about the sig, here I edited it to be more tasteful, and to make sure you know it is just a complaint. I can do that you know
 
     
so I can't call you out, you know who you are, and your sig still sucks

"Any one of the strange laws we suffer is a compromise between a fad and a vested interest."-G.K Chesterton
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