pockybot
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Read my words, appeal to consequences, not false claims. And I'm not actually all that sure, to be frank, you just seem like a conspiracy nut who'd attach onto any conspiracy you see. Still I could be wrong, so I'm setting up a straw man, unless you really do believe any conspiracy you see. Tell me, did Harvey Oswald act alone?
Well I apologize if I made it sound like I believe that Darwin was some Nazi, that had secret plans to eradicate non whites. I definately see how Darwinism and Malthusian beliefs got trojan'd into some pretty scary ideologies. No, I'm not into "conspiracy theories". I'm into applied rigorous intuition and not afraid to look behind the wizard's curtain. Of course I don't believe the official story of JFK's assassination, 9/11, etc nor do I have answers.
Still, an appeal to false consequences is rather poor logic for ever attacking a theory. And I'm going to ignore your other conspiracy theories, not suitable for this thread.
pockybot
vipr230
... >.> Yeah, because clearly global warming's a total lie. And you're not a conspiracy nut?
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So, Expelled...Loose Change...Fahrenheit=bad. An Inconvenient Truth=good? Just checking.
No, I'm well aware of inaccuracies in Inconvenient Truth, such as the snows of Kilimanjaro aren't disappearing because of global warming. However overall it's not pure propaganda, global warming really is going on, even if Al made a movie that blatantly overstated its case. However expelled overstated its case for events that aren't going on, considering that overall virtually ALL scientists don't reject common descent, and even the cases cited weren't "fired" for their ID beliefs, Expelled was bad. Loose change, well that's as conspiracy theory as you get, I find it akin to JFK theories. And Fahrenheit was poorly done propaganda, I've got a problem when Moore begins asking senators if their kids are in the war when they have no kids. That was done the same was as Expelled, except that I don't support the war, so I still agree with the overall message of Moore's work, however the piece was still poorly done overall.
pockybot
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Like expelled? I'm sorry, expelled is just as poorly constructed, it lies about people "losing their jobs" because they "question darwinism" and fails to support it's own narrow viewpoint. It's very much like a moon landing hoax claim.
The claims people make about Expelled I feel are bogus. They say it's Christian propaganda, when the film actually has a more Jewish bend to it. They say it's right wing fundie propaganda, when throughout the film they laugh and make fun of people like Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc.
... I don't know many who say it's Christian propaganda, it's just creationist propaganda. I'd imagine it'd seem Jewish because Ben Stein IS Jewish. Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all equally capable of being creationists. However, the claims that the movie makes, such as people being fired for belief in ID, are bogus.
pockybot
"ExpelledExposed" claims that every single person interviewed lied about academia higher ups not being happy with their ID flirting/ID beliefs. And that's not dishonest?
... uhh, what? If you went around screaming the sky is orange I wouldn't be happy with your beliefs, and if you're in a position of academia I wouldn't find too much trouble finding reason to fire you, however even the cases presented in the movie they weren't fired for their beliefs in ID.
pockybot
vipr230
To me, anyone who simply believes that there's a massive conspiracy against a group, such as ID advocates, would qualify as a "conspiracy nut". You took this film at its word, and believe ID advocates are being targeted for no reason, as such, you qualify.
There's lot's of mass conspiracies...but silencing ID isnt so much a conspiracy as just intellectual elitism(IMHO)
... "silencing ID"? We "silence" ID as much as we silence flat earthism and moon cheeseism. People claiming ID can't provide a testable falsifiable hypothesis, let alone evidence to back themselves up, how is saying "you have no evidence, your point is thus invalid" intellectual elitism? You consider believing the world to be round to be intellectual elitism? The flat earth society deserves serious consideration?