I have a question for athiest and non believers

[Illuminated Asheni]

To Skinnypurtorican:: God don't damn people to hell!!! He's a loving God and knows people don't know what religion is right. He would most likely do something about this world. ALSO... Christians confuse the hell out of me. If God made the earth in his image, perfect at first and wanted us to be fruitful and be happy, why the heck would he make a place we will burn forever in eternity if he wanted us to be happy? Makes no sense!!!! And why would he only take 144,000 to heaven and there are gazillions of people on earth? Come on boy... you have to think

To atheist and Non-Believers:: I don't blame you for not believing in God. It is all just so confusing. A question you might ask yourself is " Well if God has been around for all eternity, who the hell made him????" I ask myself that alot. It is SOOOOO hard to believe he's been here forever and ever and ever...NON STOP. I believe in God only the fact of life. People always say there is no soul... but think about it. You can see hear and everything but after your body is dead for 12 minutes they can bring your body back but..... you are brain dead??? So your body can live but you can't do, see, hear, speak anything? So that's the only reason I believe in souls.... and where can souls come from? God I guess, but I'm not pushing my beliefs on you.... I know life is all to confusing... but if there is a God he can understand why you don't believe and he still loves...only if there is a God.... As I asked a question to skinnypurtorican I ask non believers this. You can believe a history book.... but you don't believe a bible that's been out longer than the history book? I

Honestly... I don't believe a lot of things..... So i'm not judging JUST asking questions. I'm curious to see how everyone else views it. I do have my wonders about this so called God.... still ponders me how if he is real... how did he come about....

ONE MORE THING... never say you don't believe in anything you can't see >.<... not saying you have to believe in God but I'm just pretty sure you believe in air.. so you do believe in things you can't see

[AsuraSyn]

I'd be happy. Cause it would be absolute proof that your god is a whiny, pedantic, misanthropic son of a b***h who has to get his way all the time like a spoiled child.
And no, it's not easier to cower in fear and ignorance than to be human and live your own ******** life. Why don't you "people" try that for a change. You might like walking upright and not fearing the sun.

[Yvie]

While I am not an atheist and I recognize every God as possibly existing I do not believe in hell. I also do not believe in sin.

If your "Christian" god loves his children he would not condemn them to eternal suffering, and if he is the kind of god that doesn't have a problem doing that, then so be it I do not want to have anything to do with such a heartless monster.

[marshmallowcreampie]

I have a question for you, OP... What if it turned out there was no heaven or hell and you just wasted your time with church? Or what if Christianity wasn't the true religion and you went to like, Islamic Hell?

To Yvie: I agree. I can't imagine anyone who deserves eternal suffering. Personally, I believe if a person wasn't good they get another chance in reincarnation until they're good enough in one life to get to heaven. I'm such a hopeful person... Anyway, there are countless religions out there. How does God expect us to know which, if any, is the right one? Or what if we don't need an organized religion to get in? Can't we just be good people?

[Habible]

If I got sent to Hell, I'd stick around until I got bored and then use this and leave.

[Illuminated Asheni]

marshmallowcreampie

I have a question for you, OP... What if it turned out there was no heaven or hell and you just wasted your time with church? Or what if Christianity wasn't the true religion and you went to like, Islamic Hell?

To Yvie: I agree. I can't imagine anyone who deserves eternal suffering. Personally, I believe if a person wasn't good they get another chance in reincarnation until they're good enough in one life to get to heaven. I'm such a hopeful person... Anyway, there are countless religions out there. How does God expect us to know which, if any, is the right one? Or what if we don't need an organized religion to get in? Can't we just be good people?

I actually agree with the good part. That would make life a WHOLE lot better to live.

[Lord Setar]

Illuminated Asheni

You can see hear and everything but after your body is dead for 12 minutes they can bring your body back but..... you are brain dead??? So your body can live but you can't do, see, hear, speak anything?

The cognitive parts of your brain are dead but the medulla oblongata is not. Medulla runs your involuntaries, like heartbeat and digestion =/

Illuminated Asheni

You can believe a history book.... but you don't believe a bible that's been out longer than the history book?

Considering that there is no contemporary historical record of a guy being publicly executed only to be up and walking around three days later? Even the Bible isn't contemporary =/

Illuminated Asheni

ONE MORE THING... never say you don't believe in anything you can't see >.<... not saying you have to believe in God but I'm just pretty sure you believe in air.. so you do believe in things you can't see

False analogy. We can't see air, but we can still perceive it through our other senses, such as by waving one's hand through it. Furthermore, you can view its effects by observing a windsock or even just holding up a plastic bag with the open end pointed in the direction you're going and running with it. The bag will catch air as you go - if you were in a vacuum, the bag would simply flop down and hang.

[Blakaize]

Uh, I think you're forgetting Christ's message, non-christian OP. Any TRUE Christian would know that Jesus loves EVERYONE regardless of whether or not they believe the same as he.
Most of Jesus's best friends were Jews, after all.
Athiets =/= Bad, hell-bound people.
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Here's a hypothetical question: what if God sent YOU to hell for giving Athiests a hard time?
stare
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Anyone can believe whatever they wish to.
Joe Shmoe down the lane is a Catholic.
Harry Krisna up the road is a Jahova's Witness.
Dan Hathaway next door is Athiest.
Big friggin whoop.
Assuming they are hell bound simply because they don't read the bible and go to church, or believe what you believe is ignorant.
I'm Roman Catholic.
Know the last time I went to Church was?
Last Christmas.
And it sucked.
Let them worship how they please.
God doesn't want people to pray and believe in Him out of fear, dumbass, you're just making Catholics look WORSE now.
talk2hand

[Illuminated Asheni]

Lord Setar

The cognitive parts of your brain are dead but the medulla oblongata is not. Medulla runs your involuntaries, like heartbeat and digestion =/

I can honestly understand that. I don't honestly like science but I still believe people have souls and I shall remain with my theory of it.

Lord Setar

Considering that there is no contemporary historical record of a guy being publicly executed only to be up and walking around three days later? Even the Bible isn't contemporary =/

Didn't say it was. But history books have lies throughout them but yet you believe them and argue about how the books have the straight facts? It is the same thing.. you can't truly believe anything that is written, that is my main point. Also, if we want to drag Christianity into this, the bible is suppose to be a written records of the past, but many do not believe its true since they can not experience what others did in the past. With the execution.... who knows.. maybe that's where many people learned the word magic. They do black magic and white magic and all that other crap. Who knows.. maybe that execution and walking around 3 days later inspired that subject. Who knows, we don't come from the past... but we had to start somewhere and no one can actually pinpoint where....

Lord Setar

False analogy. We can't see air, but we can still perceive it through our other senses, such as by waving one's hand through it. Furthermore, you can view its effects by observing a windsock or even just holding up a plastic bag with the open end pointed in the direction you're going and running with it. The bag will catch air as you go - if you were in a vacuum, the bag would simply flop down and hang.

Are you not getting that " CAN'T SEE, DON'T BELIEVE" Saying???? Those reasons are the whole reasons you do believe in air but you still CAN NOT SEE IT!! So you DO believe in something you CAN NOT see. Christians believe in God cause their proof are humans and everything else that mas made on earth. Are you getting this concept?? Many people always say they don't believe what they can't see. So you shouldn't believe in air, carbon monoxide and other gases, yes? If you can believe in air cause you have knowledge it's there, Christians can believe in God cause they feel their proof are the humans and that is their knowledge God is alive.

[Industrialized Candies]

skinnypurtorican

What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

and another question

Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

Some people think that hell is not a bad place to be but until you go there you will never know

If I died today to find out I'd go to hell,
I'd be rather excited.
I don't wanna go to Heaven where all them prissy little angels with wings fly around.

And no,
it's not easier to pray,
read the bible,
go to church,
etc...
Because we have lives.

[Lord Setar]

Illuminated Asheni

Lord Setar

The cognitive parts of your brain are dead but the medulla oblongata is not. Medulla runs your involuntaries, like heartbeat and digestion =/

I can honestly understand that. I don't honestly like science but I still believe people have souls and I shall remain with my theory of it.

Don't go about calling it a theory, please. You'll piss off...well, just about anyone who knows what a scientific theory is.

Illuminated Asheni

Lord Setar

Considering that there is no contemporary historical record of a guy being publicly executed only to be up and walking around three days later? Even the Bible isn't contemporary =/

Didn't say it was. But history books have lies throughout them but yet you believe them and argue about how the books have the straight facts?

Lies? Like what? I'd like some examples here, because when last I checked modern history books used written historical accounts as sources, and as you reach modern times you get many more contemporary records.

Funny enough, there's no contemporary record of Jesus' existence...

Illuminated Asheni

It is the same thing.. you can't truly believe anything that is written, that is my main point.

History may be written by the winners, but it is also written by the bystanders.

Illuminated Asheni

Also, if we want to drag Christianity into this, the bible is suppose to be a written records of the past, but many do not believe its true since they can not experience what others did in the past.

There are some historical facts in the Bible, but there's a hell of a lot that is either mythology (Genesis for example), that has quite possibly been subject to embellishment (the story of Exodus; the accounts of Jesus), that was not written contemporarily (Paul's letters), and some that is just...well, really out there (Revelation).

Illuminated Asheni

With the execution.... who knows.. maybe that's where many people learned the word magic. They do black magic and white magic and all that other crap. Who knows.. maybe that execution and walking around 3 days later inspired that subject.

Either way, we've got the claim of that event happening yet strangely enough no contemporary record of it. You'd think there would be given that this was a public execution...and this isn't even getting into the supposed miracles =/

Illuminated Asheni

Who knows, we don't come from the past... but we had to start somewhere and no one can actually pinpoint where....

We can still extrapolate backwards and use ancient records, cave drawings, the fossil record...eventually you can use general relativity to extrapolate the entire universe back to one dimensionless singularity.

Illuminated Asheni

Lord Setar

False analogy. We can't see air, but we can still perceive it through our other senses, such as by waving one's hand through it. Furthermore, you can view its effects by observing a windsock or even just holding up a plastic bag with the open end pointed in the direction you're going and running with it. The bag will catch air as you go - if you were in a vacuum, the bag would simply flop down and hang.

Are you not getting that " CAN'T SEE, DON'T BELIEVE" Saying???? Those reasons are the whole reasons you do believe in air but you still CAN NOT SEE IT!! So you DO believe in something you CAN NOT see.

You're ignoring everything I said about it being a false analogy. Furthermore, you do not "believe" that air exists, you either accept the evidence or you don't. This is nothing more than a perpetuation of the initial false analogy =/

Illuminated Asheni

Christians believe in God cause their proof are humans and everything else that mas made on earth. Are you getting this concept?? Many people always say they don't believe what they can't see.

What part of "there are other senses than sight" are you not getting? Evidence can be perceived with any of our five senses. We cannot see air, but it can be perceived in other ways either through the effect it has on objects - the simple use of a barometer is evidence for the existence of air, as barometers measure ambient air pressure.

Illuminated Asheni

So you shouldn't believe in air, carbon monoxide and other gases, yes? If you can believe in air cause you have knowledge it's there, Christians can believe in God cause they feel their proof are the humans and that is their knowledge God is alive.

For the third time: You do not believe that air exists. You either accept the evidence or you don't. Air cannot be seen, but we can still perceive it in other ways with other senses. Furthermore, certain gases do have color - chlorine is green, just to name one - and the noble gases will change color if an electric current is run though them (this is how we get neon signs).

There are also ways that you can test for the presence of certain gases. If you light a splint and expose it to hydrogen, there will be a small explosion as the hydrogen burns and reacts with oxygen to form water vapor - depending on how much hydrogen there is you can get anywhere from a small pop to a nice-looking fireball. If you light a splint, blow it out (leave a small ember going, though), then expose the smoldering splint to pure oxygen, the splint will re-light due to the increased oxygen concentration. The reason you don't get these effects with terrestrial air is because it is 78% nitrogen - nitrogen gas, while it can react, is usually quite inert unless you expose it to very high temperatures (as in, on the level of what you'd get inside an internal combustion engine). Only about 21% of the Earth's atmosphere is oxygen, then there's 0.93% argon (argon is an inert noble gas), 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.

I HATE this argument, and for very good reason -.-

[The Albino Black Cow]

If Heaven exists, shouldn't admittance be based on whether or not you're a good person rather than religious beliefs? If someone spends their whole life living selflessly and peacefully while working to make the world around them a better place for everyone, would they really still be sent to hill because they didn't believe in God?

[w i g g l e c a k e]

First and foremost, I would think said God was a d**k, which is half the reason I left Christianity anyway, and I'm not going into that in this thread...

Anyway, the argument you've posed for us is known as Pascal's Wager, and if I had a nickel for every time I've heard it, I could buy the sun.

I don't know about you, but I would see it as disrespectful, self-serving, and insincere to worship a god you don't believe in based purely on the fear that said god might send you to hell. And an all-knowing being would have you figured out anyway, wouldn't they?

And no, it is not "easier." It can be emotionally stressful to keep up the facade of being part of a religion you don't really believe in. I spent many years of my life anxious, uncomfortable, and sometimes physically ill; I'm not making this up. You cannot force yourself to believe something.

I stopped going to church and worshiping when I finally admitted to myself that I did not feel like I actually believed and would never be able to. That's a feeling unfamiliar to the believers that ask questions like this, I think. It's hard to imagine the other side's perspective, no matter which side you're on.

[vanilla_bean_frappichino]

I am a converted Non-believer. I am christian and love god but I know where they are coming from because I was there. People want to be loved. Not for what they do. It hurts to think you are lovingly created, only to be thrown out in the harsh world. And if you do not behave a certain way you are sent to hell. I mean, why create the brain and give people free thought to create. Make their life a easel, then send them to hell for not painting it the way god wants? Of course, I really disagree with hurting others or selfish behavior. But I truely understand.

[PhilliBilliful]

Simply put, religions are full of too many contradictions for them to be creditable. I just can't believe so many people on this planet are ignorant enough to believe in them so blindly.