I have a question for athiest and non believers

[Symos]

skinnypurtorican

What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

and another question

Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

Some people think that hell is not a bad place to be but until you go there you will never know

Sounds like an appeal to fear, but I'll bite.

Before going I'd ask god why he did not show himself.

[Vosi]

Crimson Ice Princess

Vosi

Crimson Ice Princess

I would likely react very, very angrily. I'm a good person and that simply the fact that some clearly narcissistic entity was only letting me into a place for good people if I was willing to be brainwashed in life would strike me as hideously unfair.

So, let me get this straight; you would be upset if your teacher gave you an F for not completing your assignments the way you were instructed on the basis that you know you're smart and so do they?

Tsk, we are such simple beings.

Yeah, small problem with your comparison there: I know the teacher exists. If a teacher were to give me an assignment, told me how to complete it, and I still didn't and got an 'F', I wouldn't have anyone to be mad at but myself.

So this all rests on the fact that you can see your teacher? How simplistic. You are not thinking of the exercises themselves, of the value of them, of how redundant or pathetic they are, about the outcome which was given prior to your refusal or acceptance, about the mandatory state of this project, all intangible things which on second look can be shown to have little to no value yet, yet, because you can see the one giving you the assignment, no matter how worthless, you are satisfied.

You are the absolute inverse of the problem you propose against! Rather than not being able to see the teacher and thus seeing no value to follow, you follow the things you can see regardless of their value anyway. Such is the majority of humanity however; I cannot blame you alone.

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But when a being that doesn't even have the guts to show its face to me and tell me it existed and how to worship it sends me to hell for being skeptical? I'm going to be angry.

Ah, skepticism. You are not skeptical, hardly so, and I can tell that by just the sheer ineptitude shown in this small excerpt of your personal philosophies and views, but all the same I suppose I should pose a question in order to solidify this. You are skeptical of a being that does not exist with simple rules and regulations that take no time, yet you dedicate your life to a society which cares nothing for you ( though you've been told it's "dedication to the self", I suppose ) performing rigorous activities for this society day in and day out with little to no reasoning outside of the fact that it is the norm. Most of the pursuits you seek, whether it be your career, or just taking out the trash, have little to no value to your person yet you will perform for a machine you cannot even begin to see, as it is too large to fathom, but in all honestly: Why?

[Crimson Ice Princess]

Vosi

Crimson Ice Princess

Vosi

Crimson Ice Princess

I would likely react very, very angrily. I'm a good person and that simply the fact that some clearly narcissistic entity was only letting me into a place for good people if I was willing to be brainwashed in life would strike me as hideously unfair.

So, let me get this straight; you would be upset if your teacher gave you an F for not completing your assignments the way you were instructed on the basis that you know you're smart and so do they?

Tsk, we are such simple beings.

Yeah, small problem with your comparison there: I know the teacher exists. If a teacher were to give me an assignment, told me how to complete it, and I still didn't and got an 'F', I wouldn't have anyone to be mad at but myself.

So this all rests on the fact that you can see your teacher? How simplistic. You are not thinking of the exercises themselves, of the value of them, of how redundant or pathetic they are, about the outcome which was given prior to your refusal or acceptance, about the mandatory state of this project, all intangible things which on second look can be shown to have little to no value yet, yet, because you can see the one giving you the assignment, no matter how worthless, you are satisfied.

You are the absolute inverse of the problem you propose against! Rather than not being able to see the teacher and thus seeing no value to follow, you follow the things you can see regardless of their value anyway. Such is the majority of humanity however; I cannot blame you alone.

Quite frankly, the reason that all of this rests on the fact that I can see the teacher is because once I can see it, I can trust that it's true and real. The "value" of the exercises matters little to me. Besides which, how do I know that Christians are telling me any of the truth? Nowadays, Christianity is continued mostly on basis of tradition, but for the longest time, Christianity was a way to control people, and indeed, it still has a lot of influence on laws and social norms. Why do you think all of the fear-based worship exists? Why do you think the question wasn't "do you believe in God," but rather, "are you a God-fearing person"? Again: I'm not worshiping an entity I can't see because I have absolutely no reason to trust his "disciples" are telling me the truth.

You have yet to prove what "value" joining the church would provide me with. I'm not going to join something that could maybe have value just because you told me to. If that was the case, I'd go and join every religion just in case. I fail to see the value in mindless belief.

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But when a being that doesn't even have the guts to show its face to me and tell me it existed and how to worship it sends me to hell for being skeptical? I'm going to be angry.

Ah, skepticism. You are not skeptical, hardly so, and I can tell that by just the sheer ineptitude shown in this small excerpt of your personal philosophies and views, but all the same I suppose I should pose a question in order to solidify this. You are skeptical of a being that does not exist with simple rules and regulations that take no time, yet you dedicate your life to a society which cares nothing for you ( though you've been told it's "dedication to the self", I suppose ) performing rigorous activities for this society day in and day out with little to no reasoning outside of the fact that it is the norm. Most of the pursuits you seek, whether it be your career, or just taking out the trash, have little to no value to your person yet you will perform for a machine you cannot even begin to see, as it is too large to fathom, but in all honesty: Why?

I do such things because although you claim it's for the good of society, I can see that it's good for me as well. I perform because I can see the value in the things I do. Small things, like taking out the trash, prevent my home from becoming cluttered with foul-smelling debris. Bigger things, like having a job, bring about money, which in turn provides me with shelter and food.

I perform because it's clear and concise what the rewards will be if I do perform. According to Christian doctrine, the rewards are supposed to be clear as well, but strangely are contradicted by thousands of other doctrines all over the world. It's not logical to me, thus I don't believe.

[Robo-zombie-face]

you people rock my socks

[Vosi]

Crimson Ice Princess

Quite frankly, the reason that all of this rests on the fact that I can see the teacher is because once I can see it, I can trust that it's true and real. The "value" of the exercises matters little to me.

I'm aware. You cannot be possibly skeptical if you aren't even within rudimentary reason; you will follow orders because the one who gave them to you, despite your senses not necessarily even being sound, is one you can sense. I cannot help but feel that you, amongst your peers, and all who follow a relatively equivalent manner of thought are the lost sheep who lead this world astray by seeking to fill the holes with greater dangerous beliefs rather than finding truths and manners to fill the void.

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Besides which, how do I know that Christians are telling me any of the truth? Nowadays, Christianity is continued mostly on basis of tradition, but for the longest time, Christianity was a way to control people, and indeed, it still has a lot of influence on laws and social norms.

How are you differentiating? You study. Education, Politics, Religion, these are all means of controlling the masses, and the greatest of them all is Education; the most sinister misuse man has ever revealed to the world was the skewing of books and the telling of academic lies which, when they surface, the damage cannot be assessed. We are oft in the constant thralls of this very unfortunate happenstance, when lies are created, myths are propagated, and the truth is swept under a rug for a more publicly appealing answer. Yet, somehow, you question some random facet as if there is a difference?

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Why do you think all of the fear-based worship exists? Why do you think the question wasn't "do you believe in God," but rather, "are you a God-fearing person"? Again: I'm not worshiping an entity I can't see because I have absolutely no reason to trust his "disciples" are telling me the truth.

You are so obstinately blind it's hard to read through this. Fear based education and propaganda is probably the most prevalent influence on your life. It is so ingrained into you that you will not believe it until you focus and assess all messages you hold dear and true, and from there you will begin to see the horrors of your own very life. You talk about fear based worship, but you are unaware of the fear-based home-life, of the social norm, of the things you face everyday without consciously even considering the consequences? I'm not trying to divert, no, I am trying to see if you can actually ask a meaningful question; you called yourself a skeptic but in all honesty you seem like the woman who would believe in Santa Claus but denounce the Tooth Fairy.

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You have yet to prove what "value" joining the church would provide me with.

You never asked, why are you pretending I owe you something you didn't even request? Why are you such a fool? I must admit I do not think you are ready to tackle a question of this magnitude; I can show you all kinds of literature on the advantages of joining a group that believes the same thing you do, church or otherwise, but to think you demand here something never implied?

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I'm not going to join something that could maybe have value just because you told me to. If that was the case, I'd go and join every religion just in case. I fail to see the value in mindless belief.

You wouldn't believe how many "mindless beliefs" you really hold. I always get a kick out of this; I hear it so much and yet the same beings who tell me of the idiocy of "mindlessness" sit around and commit the same crimes in a different context. Tell me, when found guilty of your hypocrisy, what will you say? Shall it just be blatant denial? It will, will it not? You are no different than the millions who believe the same.

If you don't want to go to church, don't, it has nothing to do with being a Christian; factually you don't even have to be religious to be a Christian, and church is not mandatory, but is it recommended for those social reasons I said I could get for you earlier, including re-enforcement and help in regards to the path you chose.

You are so simple.

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I do such things because although you claim it's for the good of society, I can see that it's good for me as well. I perform because I can see the value in the things I do. Small things, like taking out the trash, prevent my home from becoming cluttered with foul-smelling debris. Bigger things, like having a job, bring about money, which in turn provides me with shelter and food.

You are a creature of immediate returns. There is little to nothing that I can say until you are Aware of Consequence. You find value in the most pointless things because you can "see" the value in the immediate moment versus measurement from a more valuable outlook. It isn't surprising, but it is rather sad, and to think: You're a "skeptic".

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I perform because it's clear and concise what the rewards will be if I do perform.

That's a lie. You perform because it is clear what the immediate outcome will be, not because of any long-standing goals or achievements that will arise from your work, your play, or anything else. You perform because, in short, you are told to.

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According to Christian doctrine, the rewards are supposed to be clear as well, but strangely are contradicted by thousands of other doctrines all over the world. It's not logical to me, thus I don't believe.

You are not condemned on the grounds that you do not believe. You are condemned on the grounds of what you claim to be sensible grounds for not believing. The rewards of society are contradicted, the rewards of education are contradicted, the rewards of familial ties are contradictory, the rewards of sleep and diet are contradictory, yet somehow, someway, you manage to overlook all of the contradictions in the world and focus solely on one, which of course you have menial knowledge of ( very few, if any of you, have studied Christianity from a deep theological viewpoint; that means more than reading the Bible and T.D. Jakes or Max ) and raising it as if you have some kind of immaculate say on the grounds that you are yourself.

If you are not going to accept, fine, I don't, but my reasoning is hardly as... "simple" as yours.

[GunsmithKitten]

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What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

Actually, if Dante is correct, I'd be sent to the plains of wrath given that's where my primary sin lay. I'd be too busy tearing apart my fellow man, being torn apart, and howling inconsistently to do much else.

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Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

No. Because for one thing, doing it soley to avoid Hell is not truly turning your life over to Jesus Christ which is the requirement.

Also, we do not KNOW that's where we end up in the Afterlife. Your premise is faulty in that it assumes the Christian afterlife is automatically the correct one.

What if you are wrong and you are sent to Tartarus for eternity for failing to honor the Olympians properly? Wouldn't it be easier to make sacrifices to them, sing their praises (which doesn't take much time), than spend an eternity in whatever torture Hades thinks up for you?

[GunsmithKitten]

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Ah, skepticism. You are not skeptical, hardly so, and I can tell that by just the sheer ineptitude shown in this small excerpt of your personal philosophies and views, but all the same I suppose I should pose a question in order to solidify this. You are skeptical of a being that does not exist with simple rules and regulations that take no time

Actually, his rules are VERY convuluted, especially with regards to the sin state. Crimson is right to be skeptical of such things.

For example; if she is saved by the accepting of Jesus Christ's sacrifice, then what? She can sit back on her laurels and do whatever she wants certain of the knowledge that she is bound for Heaven?

Oh, but then you say "If she TRULY was saved,. she'd want to do good" Okay, but then what is the good deed threshold to PROVE you really accepted Christ's sacrifice? Can you answer that "simple" rule?

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, yet you dedicate your life to a society which cares nothing for you ( though you've been told it's "dedication to the self", I suppose ) performing rigorous activities for this society day in and day out with little to no reasoning outside of the fact that it is the norm.

She might be like me; she does it for survival, not because she likes said society very much. Food costs money. Creature comforts cost money.

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Most of the pursuits you seek, whether it be your career, or just taking out the trash, have little to no value to your person yet you will perform for a machine you cannot even begin to see, as it is too large to fathom, but in all honestly: Why?

The societal machine's rewards are more tangible than the obscure ones of a Hebrew demiurge who was all powerful yet could not keep a serpent out of his garden, could not overcome a tribe because they had iron chariots, and ruined the life of one of his greatest followers soley to win a bet with his adversary.

[Dark -A- Light]

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What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

I think I would be too busy being tortured/in pain to even have time to think or react, so I really would just accept my fate for all eternity hoping I become numb to the pain after a couple of centuries.

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Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

No, first because we don't know if your god is the real one, second because it does take a lot of time and it's boring as hell (Heh.), and third because that is not what christianism really is about.

[Sir_Huma]

skinnypurtorican

What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

and another question

Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

Some people think that hell is not a bad place to be but until you go there you will never know

I'll answer both at once.

God's an atheist so as an atheist I'm closer to him than any religious person, whus I would go to heaven with him as he obviously wouldn't send himself to hell for his beliefs.

[Vosi]

Sir_Huma

I'll answer both at once.

God's an atheist so as an atheist I'm closer to him than any religious person, whus I would go to heaven with him as he obviously wouldn't send himself to hell for his beliefs.

sad

[The Cheshire Effect]

skinnypurtorican

What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

and another question

Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

Some people think that hell is not a bad place to be but until you go there you will never know

Then I hope I cook evenly, but seriously who wants to go to a place that's entry is determined by whether or not you believe in it and not how you were as a person?

[Requiem For Laura]

Suprised, but not angry. The people in hell are probably alot more fun than people in heaven.

[Turrican]

skinnypurtorican

What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

and another question

Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

Some people think that hell is not a bad place to be but until you go there you will never know

1) I would realise that such a god would be an unforgiving sadist undeserving of worship. Just like a parent who breaks their child's arm for misbehaving is a bad parent, that is what I call a bad god.

2) It most certainly would be easier. But what kind of life is it to blindly obey a deity solely for the reason that you'll be tortured for eternity if you don't? I'd rather worship one who wants respect instead of obedience.


Your God sounds more like a Devil, frankly. A real nasty piece of work. I'd rather listen to preachers who try to make the package sound good instead of outright threatening me.

[Sir_Huma]

Vosi

Sir_Huma

I'll answer both at once.

God's an atheist so as an atheist I'm closer to him than any religious person, whus I would go to heaven with him as he obviously wouldn't send himself to hell for his beliefs.

sad

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[Original Goth]

skinnypurtorican

What if you died today (not believeing in god) and god sent you to hell , how would you react (keep in mind that hell is a place where maggots are treated better than humans) ???

and another question

Wouldnt it be easier to pray,read the bible, and go to church (which doesnt take
that much time) , rather than spend an eternity in hell ???

Some people think that hell is not a bad place to be but until you go there you will never know

You make it seem that hell gets more followers. I know that you're trying to warn those who don't believe, but you make me think of Christianity as more of a joke due to the fear factor. I use to be the same way, when I followed Christianity before and only did what I was told, because I didn't want to go to hell. There was no love out of following in his footsteps and accept that I wasn't a Christian to begin with. It simply didn't amount to anything.

If my memory serves me, works doesn't get you into heaven, grace does. If this faith of yours turns out to be the truth, it seems that most people will go to hell, because it says in the bible that "the path to heaven is narrow", so expect a great amount of effort on your part, so you can earn your place there. Only a small percentage of the human population will get in to God's kingdom.