I have a question for athiest and non believers

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Gho the Girl

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Yes OP,
But ask yourself this.
If atheists and nonbelievers were to do as you say and pray/worship out of fear,
Wouldn't an omniscient god know that their piety was a falsehood?
I think a deity would want their followers to worship for more than fear.

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Very true. Also most followers pray to god through the use of a cross, statue, or image, ergo going against one of the most basic of commandments.
BOOM, to hell with those followers.

Idolatry is the worship of false idols.

The cross is a symbol of Jesus Christ, but we don't worship the cross, we use it as a reminder of Jesus.

I repeat;
"most followers pray to god through the use of a cross, statue, or image."
God said in the commandments not to make anything in His image.

[I got bored one day]

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I repeat;
"most followers pray to god through the use of a cross, statue, or image."
God said in the commandments not to make anything in His image.

No ******** Christians pray through the cross you twit.

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The Great Heat Miser

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First-off;
A 'god', by definittion, is a supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force. (source)

A saint, by definition, is a person officially recognized, especially by canonization, as being entitled to public veneration and capable of interceding for people on earth. (source)
Catholics pray to these saints for certain specific things (ie strength, both mental and physical)
If not for saints, then they pray to the Angels, Archangels, Jesus Christ andor the Virgin Mary.

Would you consider it fair to say that saints, as well as the rest of the godly hierarchy, are basically a personification of a force?

Secondly;
Exodus, Chapter 20;
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

Go into any church and let me know if there isn't at least one person making the sign or the cross in front of a statue, painting or row of candles. All of which were made in to represent God.

Hold on. I think there's something you missed there.

Exodus 20:5

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

That's it. Right there. The big problem.

Kinda figured that one was a given.

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The Great Heat Miser

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First-off;
A 'god', by definittion, is a supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force. (source)

A saint, by definition, is a person officially recognized, especially by canonization, as being entitled to public veneration and capable of interceding for people on earth. (source)
Catholics pray to these saints for certain specific things (ie strength, both mental and physical)
If not for saints, then they pray to the Angels, Archangels, Jesus Christ andor the Virgin Mary.

Would you consider it fair to say that saints, as well as the rest of the godly hierarchy, are basically a personification of a force?

Secondly;
Exodus, Chapter 20;
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

Go into any church and let me know if there isn't at least one person making the sign or the cross in front of a statue, painting or row of candles. All of which were made in to represent God.

Hold on. I think there's something you missed there.

Exodus 20:5

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

That's it. Right there. The big problem.

Kinda figured that one was a given.

So, yeah, where do Christians in general worship the cross in place of God, and where do Catholics worship saints in place of God?

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Within Without

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I repeat;
"most followers pray to god through the use of a cross, statue, or image."
God said in the commandments not to make anything in His image.

No ******** Christians pray through the cross you twit.

Praying through and praying through the use of are two entirely different things...don't try to put down an argument by taking words out of context...it simply does not work...

[I got bored one day]

Snowfaun Warrior

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I repeat;
"most followers pray to god through the use of a cross, statue, or image."
God said in the commandments not to make anything in His image.

No ******** Christians pray through the cross you twit.

Praying through and praying through the use of are two entirely different things...don't try to put down an argument by taking words out of context...it simply does not work...

Actually I believe you're playing the semantics game since they mean exactly the same thingas one is literally shorthand of the other. Either way both aren't true.

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The Great Heat Miser

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The Great Heat Miser

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First-off;
A 'god', by definittion, is a supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force. (source)

A saint, by definition, is a person officially recognized, especially by canonization, as being entitled to public veneration and capable of interceding for people on earth. (source)
Catholics pray to these saints for certain specific things (ie strength, both mental and physical)
If not for saints, then they pray to the Angels, Archangels, Jesus Christ andor the Virgin Mary.

Would you consider it fair to say that saints, as well as the rest of the godly hierarchy, are basically a personification of a force?

Secondly;
Exodus, Chapter 20;
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

Go into any church and let me know if there isn't at least one person making the sign or the cross in front of a statue, painting or row of candles. All of which were made in to represent God.

Hold on. I think there's something you missed there.

Exodus 20:5

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

That's it. Right there. The big problem.

Kinda figured that one was a given.

So, yeah, where do Christians in general worship the cross in place of God, and where do Catholics worship saints in place of God?

First off, I'd just want to state that when I said that catholics pray to saints and whoever else, I hadn't meant it as a generalization, something that all Catholics do frequently. Alot of (but not all) regular practitioners do though. There are saints for pretty much everything nowadays so when an individual needs something in specific, they pray to the designated saint.

Here's a short list of patron saints.

[Captain Verd]

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First off, I'd just want to state that when I said that catholics pray to saints and whoever else, I hadn't meant it as a generalization, something that all Catholics do frequently. Alot of (but not all) regular practitioners do though. There are saints for pretty much everything nowadays so when an individual needs something in specific, they pray to the designated saint.

Here's a short list of patron saints.

I explained this to you already. They don't worship saints over Christ. Saints sit closer to Him in His kingdom, do they ask specific saints to put in good words for them.

Also, Catholics follow the Church and the Pope. The Bible is a guide, not the ultimate.

[The Great Heat Miser]

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The Great Heat Miser

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First-off;
A 'god', by definittion, is a supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force. (source)

A saint, by definition, is a person officially recognized, especially by canonization, as being entitled to public veneration and capable of interceding for people on earth. (source)
Catholics pray to these saints for certain specific things (ie strength, both mental and physical)
If not for saints, then they pray to the Angels, Archangels, Jesus Christ andor the Virgin Mary.

Would you consider it fair to say that saints, as well as the rest of the godly hierarchy, are basically a personification of a force?

Secondly;
Exodus, Chapter 20;
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

Go into any church and let me know if there isn't at least one person making the sign or the cross in front of a statue, painting or row of candles. All of which were made in to represent God.

Hold on. I think there's something you missed there.

Exodus 20:5

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

That's it. Right there. The big problem.

Kinda figured that one was a given.

So, yeah, where do Christians in general worship the cross in place of God, and where do Catholics worship saints in place of God?

First off, I'd just want to state that when I said that catholics pray to saints and whoever else, I hadn't meant it as a generalization, something that all Catholics do frequently. Alot of (but not all) regular practitioners do though. There are saints for pretty much everything nowadays so when an individual needs something in specific, they pray to the designated saint.

Here's a short list of patron saints.

...So, yeah. Where do they worship saints?

[I got bored one day]

Your knowledge of Catholicism is astounding!

[Ryukahn Shade]

Within Without

Snowfaun Warrior

Within Without

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I repeat;
"most followers pray to god through the use of a cross, statue, or image."
God said in the commandments not to make anything in His image.

No ******** Christians pray through the cross you twit.

Praying through and praying through the use of are two entirely different things...don't try to put down an argument by taking words out of context...it simply does not work...

Actually I believe you're playing the semantics game since they mean exactly the same thingas one is literally shorthand of the other. Either way both aren't true.

The way I understand it...to pray through a cross is to use a cross to speak to God. To ask the cross to do your work for you. To use the cross to attain the ability to be in the presence of God...so literally..without a cross you cannot be with God.

To pray through the use of a cross, statue, etc...means that you use the imagery to relate to that which you worship. since no one can vividly picture God, images were created to represent it. Using these images to represent and remind yourself of what you worship is in all aspects violating the commandment that declares that you must not make or worship an idol of like image. The cross is a like image of Jesus becoming the Savior, the one that chrisitans worship..and is in essence worshipping Jesus/God through the use of an idol...a representation of the deity that Chrisitans worship...

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Im an atheist. And I honestly have pondered on the question of Heaven/Hell quite a bit. I've come to the conclusion I would prefer hell. I would prefer to be a ghost more tho, but I just would hate to be trapped in a perfect place. It would drive be crazy. Though, I believe reincarnation is what happens.

And no. I don't know if there is a god, and I am not going to decide. I'm not ever going to decide on one religion. Its a belief. A comfort. And I am not going to cling to a religion and hate or exclude all the outsiders. I'd rather be one of those outsiders. Its not right to act the way some do to people of another religion. They're saying it wrong? They're praying to the wrong god? How do they know they aren't instead.

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Hold on. I think there's something you missed there.



That's it. Right there. The big problem.

Kinda figured that one was a given.

So, yeah, where do Christians in general worship the cross in place of God, and where do Catholics worship saints in place of God?

First off, I'd just want to state that when I said that catholics pray to saints and whoever else, I hadn't meant it as a generalization, something that all Catholics do frequently. Alot of (but not all) regular practitioners do though. There are saints for pretty much everything nowadays so when an individual needs something in specific, they pray to the designated saint.

Here's a short list of patron saints.

...So, yeah. Where do they worship saints?

Mostly in the privacy of their homes, but there are also churches that have large paintings of the designated patron saint (along with Gd and Jesus things as well of course.)
I know that they're very common in Italy, and I believe Mexico as well. I'll try to find you some links for that.

[Captain Verd]

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Mostly in the privacy of their homes, but there are also churches that have large paintings of the designated patron saint (along with Gd and Jesus things as well of course.)
I know that they're very common in Italy, and I believe Mexico as well. I'll try to find you some links for that.

They don't worship saints. Much of Christianity relies on stories. Catholicism uses saints as a way to get closer to God, and to see how following His wishes brings you to Him.

[The Great Heat Miser]

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Hold on. I think there's something you missed there.



That's it. Right there. The big problem.

Kinda figured that one was a given.

So, yeah, where do Christians in general worship the cross in place of God, and where do Catholics worship saints in place of God?

First off, I'd just want to state that when I said that catholics pray to saints and whoever else, I hadn't meant it as a generalization, something that all Catholics do frequently. Alot of (but not all) regular practitioners do though. There are saints for pretty much everything nowadays so when an individual needs something in specific, they pray to the designated saint.

Here's a short list of patron saints.

...So, yeah. Where do they worship saints?

Mostly in the privacy of their homes, but there are also churches that have large paintings of the designated patron saint (along with Gd and Jesus things as well of course.)
I know that they're very common in Italy, and I believe Mexico as well. I'll try to find you some links for that.

So, yeah, you've yet to establish that this worshiping thing even happens.