Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[linaloki]

Marshal67

linaloki

I've wondered that myself. However, Jesus made a different analogy on the bearing of fruit for spiritual fruits earlier in the Bible. It seems silly to smite someone that doesn't bear fruit when a previous analogy didn't suggest anything of the sort.

The same doubt came into my mind. But then compare to the lukewarm analagy. How He will "spit" them from his mouth. Basically condemning them. Smiting them eternally. It fits with this tree analagy.

The lukewarm thing was referring to an angel, however, who He has a tad less tolerance for disloyalty.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

Marshal67

The point is, is man capable of Righteous anger since he is sinful?

Again, I fail to comprehend your phrasing. No fault on your part, i guess I'm just dim witted when it comes to an issue on Negative emotions being Used Constructively.


I can not, by my nature as a fighter, accept that My anger serves no purpose.

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Educated Christians know the standards are impossible to keep. As you saw John and I discussing in a thread. But it is something we accept. I always make sure new Christians know, they will fail. No one keeps the commadments, but that is ok. That is why Christ died.

Nihilist und Christ: das reimt sich, das reimt sich nicht bloss.

[Marshal67]

linaloki

Marshal67

linaloki

I've wondered that myself. However, Jesus made a different analogy on the bearing of fruit for spiritual fruits earlier in the Bible. It seems silly to smite someone that doesn't bear fruit when a previous analogy didn't suggest anything of the sort.

The same doubt came into my mind. But then compare to the lukewarm analagy. How He will "spit" them from his mouth. Basically condemning them. Smiting them eternally. It fits with this tree analagy.

The lukewarm thing was referring to an angel, however, who He has a tad less tolerance for disloyalty.

That and the church of Laodicea.

[Marshal67]

Rookherst[KOS]

Again, I fail to comprehend your phrasing. No fault on your part, i guess I'm just dim witted when it comes to an issue on Negative emotions being Used Constructively.

No, I am just not being clear enough. Let me think about this, another way to phrase it. I will PM you or put it here. Or maybe a new thread is called for. Gah, you'll know when it come.

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I can not, by my nature as a fighter, accept that My anger serves no purpose.

It serves a purpose. But sinful things can be purposeful. But then again, I am not sure on this.

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Nihilist und Christ: das reimt sich, das reimt sich nicht bloss.

Que?

[linaloki]

Marshal67

linaloki

Marshal67

linaloki

I've wondered that myself. However, Jesus made a different analogy on the bearing of fruit for spiritual fruits earlier in the Bible. It seems silly to smite someone that doesn't bear fruit when a previous analogy didn't suggest anything of the sort.

The same doubt came into my mind. But then compare to the lukewarm analagy. How He will "spit" them from his mouth. Basically condemning them. Smiting them eternally. It fits with this tree analagy.

The lukewarm thing was referring to an angel, however, who He has a tad less tolerance for disloyalty.

That and the church of Laodicea.

It was written to the angel in the church of Laodicea, not the actual congregation.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

Marshal67

Rookherst[KOS]

Again, I fail to comprehend your phrasing. No fault on your part, i guess I'm just dim witted when it comes to an issue on Negative emotions being Used Constructively.

No, I am just not being clear enough. Let me think about this, another way to phrase it. I will PM you or put it here. Or maybe a new thread is called for. Gah, you'll know when it come.

....Im Sure it's my geeky love for Sith Philosophy getting in the way..

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Nihilist und Christ: das reimt sich, das reimt sich nicht bloss.

Que?

Nihilist and Christian. They rhyme in German... and they do indeed do more than just rhyme.

[ojeilatan]

Bravo! I almost wept tears of joy after reading this. I have never been able to truly dig through Lev. to find these passages to support my arguments for homosexuality. thank you so much for posting this; I can now reference it when I need stronger points.

And just to add my own tidbit; it's not stated over and over and over in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. (or stated in ways that one could interpret it as such) The only thing echoed through out nearly every book is that we are to love our fellow man and everyone is a child of God.

[Sound Doxa]

Rookherst[KOS]

SoundDoctrine

That doesn't disagree with Marshal's thought, it actually enforces it.
We should be slow to anger because the anger of man does not achieve the rigtheousness of God.
I think that "slow to anger", with the context of this passage, means, to try and not get angry.

Again...I read that Differently. To me it says "Do not get angry without due cause". If Due cause is there the anger is perfectly fine.

Again, that's eisegetical because "due cause" cannot be found anywhere in the text, not even with thinking of the context. You just seem to be adding your own thoughts into the text.
The next verse, James 1:21, further enforces the meaning.

James 1:21 NASB

1Therefore, (AT)putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive (AU)the word implanted, which is able to save your souls

Anger, and the things listed in 1-18, are called,"filthiness" and "all that remains of wickedness".
It doens't say, partake in filthiness if you have due cause, or that with due cause it's not filthiness, he outright calls it all filthiness.

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If you want to call this "righteous anger' then fine, but To state that Anger as a whole is disallowed is inherently flawed...and sets impossible standards.

I call bullshit here.
Like I said earlier, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, so we are all naturally tempted to give into anger. But, what we need to do is be renewed by the transforming of our mind, grow in Christ, lay aside the old self, be renewed in the spirit of our mind, put on the new self, and be perfect. I believe God knows what we are capable of doing and that He knows of the things we go through. I believe that He knows that we often sin, and that is why [cliche]He sent His Son to die for us[/cliche].

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Rookherst[KOS]

SoundDoctrine

But I find that interpretation eisegetical because the verse doesn't say,"take up as much", it says "put away" and then it tell us what to do. After we put away anger, we then forgive.
As far as having anger to put away, that's a given. Humans have a tendency to anger, and this can be proven by trying to irritate people. All humans have fallen short of the glory of God, so we have a tendency to get angry before getting tender hearted. The anger just comes naturally, the anger we already have. With this anger that we inherantly have, we should put it away, and not get angry. We shouldn't utilize this natural anger, and instead, we should be forgiving and tender hearted.

Then what of Righteous anger? Should we roll over and be tender to that which we should rightfully oppose?

I think there's a fine line here.
Consider Romans 12:19-21. We are to overcome evil with good.
I'm bad at examples, but I'll try to make up one. So, let's say we see someone being biggoted towards homosexuals, now, instead of getting super pissed and just being like,"You suck! Homosexuality's not condemned in the Bible you stupid a*****e!", we should just be like,"There's no reason for you to be biggoted. Homosexuality's not condemned in the Bible." ^_^

[Rookherst[KOS]]

*sigh* I guess just who I am, and the life I lived, I can never come to terms with "putting away anger". It's my strongest tool, and my most powerful weapon.

I = Fail?

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Rookherst[KOS]

Marshal67

Rookherst[KOS]

and sets impossible standards.

Since when has YHVH been concerned with that wink

But man should be....lest he turn away and discourage those who feel worthless failures

When a person feels like a worthless failure, man should encourage him with the Word of God, and tell him all about the forgiveness of God. You tell them that God understands, that God forgives, and then you tell them to just try some more. You fail, you apologize, you get forgiven, then you get up and go on with your life. And repeat.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

SoundDoctrine

When a person feels like a worthless failure, man should encourage him with the Word of God, and tell him all about the forgiveness of God. You tell them that God understands, that God forgives, and then you tell them to just try some more. You fail, you apologize, you get forgiven, then you get up and go on with your life. And repeat.

again. I fail as personaity type. I refuse to accept failure*.......Story of my life:

Person/Friend X : You can't do "X"...

Me: Wana Bet?/ Bullshit!!!

*does it*


* I realize the contradiction here....*

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Rookherst[KOS]

*sigh* I guess just who I am, and the life I lived, I can never come to terms with "putting away anger". It's my strongest tool, and my most powerful weapon.

But the question then becomes, why is anger your most powerful weapon?
Knowing you Rook, I think it's your wit.

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I = Fail?

Maybe at this debate. blaugh

But, look at my latest post. We all have our problems. When it happens, we just gotta ask for forgiveness and move on. We need to read the Bible more and examine our lives more. When we sin, we just need to try and focus more on God.
Like, I have a bad temper, personally. I really suck at loving my neighbor. There's this girl at my school, Deleon, and she's my best friend there, but sometimes she really gets on my nerves, and there's just times where I want to slap her, and I have, several times. But, I have been getting better. She teased me a lot about this girl liking me the other day, and I got really irritated, but I just had patience, instead of lashing out with my anger. It was really hard, but I did it. I don't think habits* are impossible to overcome, if the will to overcome them is strong enough.

*for lack of a better word

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Rookherst[KOS]

SoundDoctrine

When a person feels like a worthless failure, man should encourage him with the Word of God, and tell him all about the forgiveness of God. You tell them that God understands, that God forgives, and then you tell them to just try some more. You fail, you apologize, you get forgiven, then you get up and go on with your life. And repeat.

again. I fail as personaity type. I refuse to accept failure*.......Story of my life:

Person/Friend X : You can't do "X"...

Me: Wana Bet?/ Bullshit!!!

*does it*


* I realize the contradiction here....*

I don't think that's a good example. That's not refusing to accept failure to me, that's beating the odds. I often refuse to accept people's judgements of my ability, and I absolutely love proving people wrong when they say what I can't do. I find that to be completely different from sitting down and telling God that I was wrong.
How do you deal with your conscience?
Like, what happens your conscience says,"Hey! I think you did something wrong!"?

Like, admitting that you've sinned isn't failing. It's admitting that you've sinned. Admitting that you've sinned is just accepting reality.
Unless you guinely believe that you're perfect?

[linaloki]

*watches the debate*

...Um... So, what about the fig tree?