Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Marshal67]

linaloki

But then, what of Christ's anger? I can see the temple being righteous anger, but the fig tree? I think he was genuinely pissed off.

Did God not create the Fig Tree? Assuming Christ and God are one(In Christian belief...they are). The it would be his to destory, no matter what the reason.

Like when people b***h about the flood, and how it was "murder". Well no, it wasn't. He created us, He can destroy us. Just like He can destory the fig tree.

Also, where is the verse fr the fig tree, I have yet to see the verse, I have never heard about it sweatdrop .

But I still argue the side, since we are sinful, we cannot know what righteous anger is. Because our views our skewed. God has a clear image, so thus His anger is not sinful.

[cyropi]

Kuribittch

Armas_Valdamir

Also in Christianity Sex is almost always a way for pleasure but a way to reproduce, you shouldn't have sex for only pleasure and homosexual sex and only cause pleasue and never reproduction.

Same goes for infertile heterosexuals. Point? None. God never commanded reproduction and nobody said homosexuals couldn't TRY to reproduce. Nobody's saying they'll succeed but it's the thought that counts remember.

After all, if God is omnipotent, you must agree that it's as possible for him to make homosexual sex result in pregnancy via a miracle as it is for him to make sex between an infertile or elderly heterosexual couple result in pregnancy.

Therefore it is perfectly possible for homosexual sex to result in reproduction, and homosexuals should be allowed to have sex in an attempt to reproduce.

With God, all things are possible.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

SoundDoctrine

That doesn't disagree with Marshal's thought, it actually enforces it.
We should be slow to anger because the anger of man does not achieve the rigtheousness of God.
I think that "slow to anger", with the context of this passage, means, to try and not get angry.

Again...I read that Differently. To me it says "Do not get angry without due cause". If Due cause is there the anger is perfectly fine. If you want to call this "righteous anger' then fine, but To state that Anger as a whole is disallowed is inherently flawed...and sets impossible standards.

[whoisjgalt]

linaloki

Welcome, all! Loki, here, to try to teach everyone a thing or two about a little religion I ascribe to. People think they know about it, and yet they fail to know even the most basic knowledge from this religions holy texts. I am, of course, talking about Christianity. It’s a religion that, in America, 83% of people claimed in 2004. Yet, out of that 83%, maybe only 40% can name the 10 Commandments.

Cite? Otherwise though, you make a convincing, if a little long winded, argument on a subject you clearly feel passionate about, and one that I think more people should recognize the significance of.

[linaloki]

Marshal67

linaloki

But then, what of Christ's anger? I can see the temple being righteous anger, but the fig tree? I think he was genuinely pissed off.

Did God not create the Fig Tree? Assuming Christ and God are one(In Christian belief...they are). The it would be his to destory, no matter what the reason.

Like when people b***h about the flood, and how it was "murder". Well no, it wasn't. He created us, He can destroy us. Just like He can destory the fig tree.

Also, where is the verse fr the fig tree, I have yet to see the verse, I have never heard about it sweatdrop .

But I still argue the side, since we are sinful, we cannot know what righteous anger is. Because our views our skewed. God has a clear image, so thus His anger is not sinful.

Matthew 21:18-22, NIV

Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Fig trees, when they are of a cetrain foliage, have fruit on them. Always. This one, however, didn't. The way I see it, Jesus got pissed because he was hungry and tricked into thinking it would feed him. Therefore, he smote it.

[Marshal67]

Rookherst[KOS]

and sets impossible standards.

Since when has YHVH been concerned with that wink

[Sound Doxa]

Rookherst[KOS]

SoundDoctrine

The way I read it, it seemed to say, put away anger, and instead be tender-hearted. I think that "put away anger" is just another way of saying "do not anger", because when you put anger way, you're not being angry.

and to put away anger, you would have to Have it first. So My reading goes some thing like thus:

When you DO get angry, remember not to be angry for anger's sake but to take up as much forgiveness as anger, if not more.

But I find that interpretation eisegetical because the verse doesn't say,"take up as much", it says "put away" and then it tell us what to do. After we put away anger, we then forgive.
As far as having anger to put away, that's a given. Humans have a tendency to anger, and this can be proven by trying to irritate people. All humans have fallen short of the glory of God, so we have a tendency to get angry before getting tender hearted. The anger just comes naturally, the anger we already have. With this anger that we inherantly have, we should put it away, and not get angry. We shouldn't utilize this natural anger, and instead, we should be forgiving and tender hearted.

[Marshal67]

linaloki

Marshal67

linaloki

But then, what of Christ's anger? I can see the temple being righteous anger, but the fig tree? I think he was genuinely pissed off.

Did God not create the Fig Tree? Assuming Christ and God are one(In Christian belief...they are). The it would be his to destory, no matter what the reason.

Like when people b***h about the flood, and how it was "murder". Well no, it wasn't. He created us, He can destroy us. Just like He can destory the fig tree.

Also, where is the verse fr the fig tree, I have yet to see the verse, I have never heard about it sweatdrop .

But I still argue the side, since we are sinful, we cannot know what righteous anger is. Because our views our skewed. God has a clear image, so thus His anger is not sinful.

Matthew 21:18-22, NIV

Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Fig trees, when they are of a cetrain foliage, have fruit on them. Always. This one, however, didn't. The way I see it, Jesus got pissed because he was hungry and tricked into thinking it would feed him. Therefore, he smote it.

Sa crazy as it is, I read it and immediantly though of the "bearing fruit" analagy used for Christians in the Bible.

Could it be a metaphor for what Christ does to people who claim Christianity but does not bare(bear?) fruit?

[linaloki]

whoisjgalt

linaloki

Welcome, all! Loki, here, to try to teach everyone a thing or two about a little religion I ascribe to. People think they know about it, and yet they fail to know even the most basic knowledge from this religions holy texts. I am, of course, talking about Christianity. It’s a religion that, in America, 83% of people claimed in 2004. Yet, out of that 83%, maybe only 40% can name the 10 Commandments.

Cite? Otherwise though, you make a convincing, if a little long winded, argument on a subject you clearly feel passionate about, and one that I think more people should recognize the significance of.

The 2004 83% was obtained from a survey done by ABC News...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beliefnet_poll_010718.html

The 40% is my own personal observation. The maybe is a sorta tag to note that it ain't a fact.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

SoundDoctrine

But I find that interpretation eisegetical because the verse doesn't say,"take up as much", it says "put away" and then it tell us what to do. After we put away anger, we then forgive.
As far as having anger to put away, that's a given. Humans have a tendency to anger, and this can be proven by trying to irritate people. All humans have fallen short of the glory of God, so we have a tendency to get angry before getting tender hearted. The anger just comes naturally, the anger we already have. With this anger that we inherantly have, we should put it away, and not get angry. We shouldn't utilize this natural anger, and instead, we should be forgiving and tender hearted.

Then what of Righteous anger? Should we roll over and be tender to that which we should rightfully oppose?

[Crying_Snow]

Good job, Loki.
I love the wall of text! All great points.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

Marshal67

Rookherst[KOS]

and sets impossible standards.

Since when has YHVH been concerned with that wink

But man should be....lest he turn away and discourage those who feel worthless failures

[linaloki]

Marshal67

linaloki

Marshal67

linaloki

But then, what of Christ's anger? I can see the temple being righteous anger, but the fig tree? I think he was genuinely pissed off.

Did God not create the Fig Tree? Assuming Christ and God are one(In Christian belief...they are). The it would be his to destory, no matter what the reason.

Like when people b***h about the flood, and how it was "murder". Well no, it wasn't. He created us, He can destroy us. Just like He can destory the fig tree.

Also, where is the verse fr the fig tree, I have yet to see the verse, I have never heard about it sweatdrop .

But I still argue the side, since we are sinful, we cannot know what righteous anger is. Because our views our skewed. God has a clear image, so thus His anger is not sinful.

Matthew 21:18-22, NIV

Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."

Fig trees, when they are of a cetrain foliage, have fruit on them. Always. This one, however, didn't. The way I see it, Jesus got pissed because he was hungry and tricked into thinking it would feed him. Therefore, he smote it.

Sa crazy as it is, I read it and immediantly though of the "bearing fruit" analagy used for Christians in the Bible.

Could it be a metaphor for what Christ does to people who claim Christianity but does not bare(bear?) fruit?

I've wondered that myself. However, Jesus made a different analogy on the bearing of fruit for spiritual fruits earlier in the Bible. It seems silly to smite someone that doesn't bear fruit when a previous analogy didn't suggest anything of the sort.

[Marshal67]

Rookherst[KOS]

Then what of Righteous anger? Should we roll over and be tender to that which we should rightfully oppose?

The point is, is man capable of Righteous anger since he is sinful?

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But man should be....lest he turn away and discourage those who feel worthless failures

Educated Christians know the standards are impossible to keep. As you saw John and I discussing in a thread. But it is something we accept. I always make sure new Christians know, they will fail. No one keeps the commadments, but that is ok. That is why Christ died.

linaloki

I've wondered that myself. However, Jesus made a different analogy on the bearing of fruit for spiritual fruits earlier in the Bible. It seems silly to smite someone that doesn't bear fruit when a previous analogy didn't suggest anything of the sort.

The same doubt came into my mind. But then compare to the lukewarm analagy. How He will "spit" them from his mouth. Basically condemning them. Smiting them eternally. It fits with this tree analagy.