Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Denzyz]

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Proverbs 16:4 "The LORD works out everything for his own ends - even the wicked for a day of disaster."

I'm kind of confused now. I mean, I can see, sort of, how one could interpret that as predestination, but honestly, it doens't seem like that to me. It looks more like God takes events as they come, and works them to his own will/end, not that he causes the 'wicked' things to happen and that they're a part of his plan.

[Ares Streiste]

Kiyrugoji

Demon_Flare

in leviticus 18 22 it clearly states "do not practice homsexuality for it is a detestable sin or niv 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Woot! Fodder for linaloki's bombardment!

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Topic 2, Leviticus: Christian Law?

Leviticus 19:27, NIV

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

So. Those that shave are sinning.

Leviticus 19:19, NIV

Keep my decrees.
Do not mate different kinds of animals.
Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

So. Those that crop in cycles, wear polyester cotton mixes, or breed mules are sinning.

Leviticus 15, NIV

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean. Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:

" 'Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. Anyone who touches his bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'If the man with the discharge spits on someone who is clean, that person must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.

" 'When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and give them to the priest. The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.

" 'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

" 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

" 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.

" 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.

" 'When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.

" 'You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.' "

These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of semen, for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who lies with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

So. Semen is "unclean". Women on periods must be cast out due to their uncleanliness.

Leviticus 11, NIV

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.

" 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. The coney, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

" 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales-whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water-you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.

" 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

" 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

" 'You will make yourselves unclean by these; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.

" 'Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. Any food that could be eaten but has water on it from such a pot is unclean, and any liquid that could be drunk from it is unclean. Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you.

" 'If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches the carcass will be unclean till evening. Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Every creature that moves about on the ground is detestable; it is not to be eaten. You are not to eat any creature that moves about on the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is detestable. Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground. I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.

" 'These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.' "

So. You can't eat lobster or crawfish. Or pork.

So why just pick at the verses against homosexuals? Oh, by the way. Christians do not have to follow Levitican Law.

Have any evidence against what was said?

I find it funny that you goobers think that shaving is somehow a sin to Christians....

The laws that seem silly to you all, involving eating rules about certain animals are old JEWISH law. Those laws were made in the old testament period because they were unhealthy to eat when not prepared properly. The Hebrews (then hebrews, not known as israelites, jews, or otherwise) were nomadic, traveling people who moved from area to area for a long period after being liberated from their slavery in Egypt. They lived in tents, had few real or permanent posessions, and health standards were non-existent. These foods were simply not healthy, and these laws helped to keep the people healthy.

(If you want something amusing, there was a law that said they were not allowed to take a dump in the camp...they had to walk to a designated field...what we would call a septic tank, dig a hole, and do their business.)

The other rules, about shaving, the rules about how they dressed, and even circumcision (yes, that's when it started, over 2000 years ago) were simply made to set the Hebrew people (who at the time of the rule making became closer to what Jewish people are known as) apart; just to be different from the other tribes. Remember, the average tribe back then was warlike, bandits, raiders, basically what we would consider immoral people (immoral behaviour...hmmm! where did that come from...we only consider things like stealing, rape, etc wront because of the rules laid down by GOD to the prophets at that time. more things that christians are wrong about? I don't think so.)

Now you know; THOSE WERE JEWISH LAWS. Maybe actually read a chapter or two in depth instead of just looking for what you want to hear. (kind of like saying "Don't eat that cookie!" means "Eat that cookie!" simply because the words "eat that cookie\" are in the sentence.) You would benefit from an actual lesson at church about those times, even if you didn't want to become a Christian.

NOW...for homosexuals. This has become quite the sacred cow roast, yes? smile A little story I find interesting is the story of a man named Lot and one of his places of residence, two cities known as Sodom (where do you think the term sodomy comes from?) and Gamorrah. "The men were with the men, and the women were with the women..." The story goes that two angels of God took human form to warn Lot to leave the city. Apparently these angels in human form looked like angels in human form. The queers decided that they wanted some, and told Lot to unlock his doors so they could have at the two men. Lot offered his daughters instead, but the men didn't want them. (I threw up a little bit in my mouth there...)

The angels warned Lot that God was planning to destroy the cities, and that he must leave the area. Lot pleaded with God to spare the cities, and even haggled God down to sparing the city if 10 righteous people were found there. (there weren't) Lot escaped in secret, and the angels of god resumed their true forms and wrought destruction on the places.

Heres a nice little section of a wikipedia article I found, for those of you who want an example, or link. Wikipedia's sodom and gomorrah article.

For those of you who are being lazy, heres a full, non-edited section from the article. NOTHING WAS CUT FROM WHAT I"M POSTING.

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The historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah is still in dispute by archaeologists, with some believing they never existed, some believing they are now under the Dead Sea, and others claiming that they have been found (under other names) in the region to the southeast of the Dead Sea. Their exact location is unknown, however the Bible indicates they were located near the Dead Sea (Genesis 14:1-3, Genesis 14:8-10, Deuteronomy 34:3). Strabo states that locals living near Moasada (probably referring to Masada) say that "there were once thirteen inhabited cities in that region of which Sodom was the metropolis"[1]. There is a small "mountain", mainly composed of salt, next to the Dead Sea, called in Arabic Jabal (Mount) Usdum, which is similar to the Arabic for Sodom, Sadūm.

Archibald Sayce translated an Akkadian poem describing cities that were destroyed in a rain of fire, written from the view of a person who escaped the destruction, however the names of the cities are not given[2]. This rain of fire may have been a combination of meteorites and earth quakes along the fault line running into the dead sea. This could explain the current salty state of the sea, which prohibits plant growth in what was supposedly a once fertile region.

Some modern biblical scholars argue that a sin was attached to the story of Sodom to justify the destruction of the cities, which may be based on an authentic account of a natural cataclysm. Geologists have confirmed that no volcanic activity occurred within the last 4000 years, but it is possible that the towns were destroyed by an earthquake in the region, especially if the towns lie along a major fault, the Jordan Rift Valley, the northernmost extension of the Great Rift Valley of the Red Sea and East Africa[3]. It is also possible that the sin of the inhabitants appearing in the original text was edited out and lost.

According to Burton MacDonald, the name “Sodom” "is probably related to the Arabic sadama meaning 'fasten,' 'fortify,' 'strengthen'" and Gomorrah is based on the root gh m r which means 'be deep,' 'copious (water)'[4]. Another possibility for "Sodom" is the Arabic meaning "to dry up (spring)".

In 1976 Giovanni Pettinato claimed that a cuneiform tablet that had been found in the newly discovered library at Ebla contained the names of all five of the Cities of the Plain (Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboim, and Bela), listed in just the same order that they are named in Genesis, though not all of the names have been wholly verified. However, that si-da-mu [TM.76.G.524] and ì-ma-ar [TM.75.G.1570 and TM.75.G.2233] are almost universally accepted to represent Sodom and Gomorrah[5]. However, Alfonso Archi states that, judging from the surrounding city names in the cuneiform list, si-da-mu lies in northern Syria and not near the Dead Sea, and ì-ma-ar is a variant of ì-mar, known to represent Emar, an ancient city located near Ebla[6]. William Shea points out in 1983 that on the 'Eblaite Geographical Atlas' (TM.75.G.2231), ad-mu-ut and sa-dam are good readings by Pettinato and correspond to Admah and Sodom, and they are contained in a list of cities that traces a route along the shores of, or quite possibly within the Dead Sea, whose position may have since shifted along its fault [7].

One candidate for Sodom is a site known as Bab edh-Dhra. Bab edh-Dhra was an Early Bronze Age city located near the Dead Sea, and bitumen and petroleum deposits have been found in the area, which contain sulfur and natural gas. The theory is that an earthquake opened a nearby pocket of natural gas. This gas drifted up and reacted with fires burning in the city. As a result, the city was devastated.

As for the angels, give me some other explanation as to why Lot knew the city was about to be demolished... stare The phrase "God hates queers" comes to mind... and definitely, the all powerful God, the being which time does NOT affect, and is in essence, too pure to tolerate impurity, hates the sin (oops, I'm not very politically correct am I?) of homosexuality.

Why is being a homo a sin? I believe the best way I've heard it put is by one of the homos at their little protest in San Francisco. He says "We just want to F*ck real good!" Apart from the fact that his grammar sucks, isn't that Lust? And wait *gasp* isn't lust considered by some to be one of the 7 deadly sins, one of sins that automatically damns the culprit to hell? (notice I said considered by some, not all. Most Christians believe in the great forgiving ability of God/Jesus.) So it has some background...and wait, "F*cking real good" has it's consequences. AIDS, STDS, SHORTER LIFE SPANS BECAUSE OF STDS. (maybe right now you're reconsidering. maybe you're just skimming my post for the best way to label me a bad person, bring it on, by the way)

Also, LOVE is very different from LUST. LOVE is the feeling of ultimate caring for a person, thinking of how bad it would hurt to lose that person, enjoying every moment you spend with them (or if not, making things right after something goes wrong), being there for a person, not caring about the things that person hates about themselves, and doing everything you can just to make that person happy, safe, and healthy.

LUST on the other hand, is very different. It is sexual attraction, being horny, "wanting to F*ck real good", rape, (this list could go on and on, but I'd rather get off this subject.)

A man can show love for another man without being gay. Straight guys LOVE their best friends, even if they won't admit it. You love your younger brothers or sisters, also even though you may not admit it. Guys who fight with their dads love their dads anyway, and would miss them if they were gone. Guys love their moms without LUSTING for them. So how hard is it NOT to be lustful? (quite, but we won't get into that.)

Girls display this quite well. They hug, goof around, and simply act as girls do. They give their girlfriends kisses sometimes, yet they go out with and marry guys! I'd rather not kiss another guy, however, but my point is made.

NOW, onto the physical part. TWO SENTENCES: THE MALE PARTS AND FEMALE PARTS WERE MEANT TO GO TOGETHER FOR MAKING BABIES AND PLEASURE. BUTTS WERE NOT MEAN TO HAVE THINGS PUT IN THEM, ONLY TO HAVE THINGS (POOP) COME OUT.

For proof of this, think of the structure. What comes out of a butt? What does it do? (smell bad and cause disease)

Now, what comes out of a p***s? (duh) What does it do? (make babies...NOT IN BUTTS)

Now, feel free to hate me, but not for my beliefs. I don't hate any one person. I may hate their lifestyle, but that is simply not the person. I hate that people think "they were born gay" (no...we already discussed that in the physical section...read it again). I don't hate any one person; in fact, the Bible says quite clearly to "Love your neighbor as yourself", but it does not say to accept his beliefs as your own, or comform to him. By the way, EVERYONE ON EARTH, IS YOUR NEIGHBOR. (it pretty well means "don't crap on someone else's lawn" wink

I don't hate anyone here, So like I said before, find a good reason to hate me, if you can find one. Then, tell me why you hate me, and think about whether it makes sense to hate anyone as a person.

[linaloki]

Ares Streiste

I find it funny that you goobers think that shaving is somehow a sin to Christians....

I find it funny that you totally missed the point of that segment of text. The point was, if you're going to use Leviticus as Christian Law, use all of it. Don't pick and choose to further your hateful agenda.

Ares Streiste

Blah blah blah stuff we know.

We know this stuff. The section quoted was merely a sarcastic scathing review of all the laws those that claim Christianity and try to follow Leviticus should be obeying.

Ares Streiste

Blah blah blah S&G

Suggestion: Read the first page. Post 3, Topic 3, I believe.

Ares Streiste

As for the angels, give me some other explanation as to why Lot knew the city was about to be demolished... stare The phrase "God hates queers" comes to mind... and definitely, the all powerful God, the being which time does NOT affect, and is in essence, too pure to tolerate impurity, hates the sin (oops, I'm not very politically correct am I?) of homosexuality.

Personally, I always figured it was because THE ANGELS TOLD HIM SO.

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin? I believe the best way I've heard it put is by one of the homos at their little protest in San Francisco. He says "We just want to F*ck real good!" Apart from the fact that his grammar sucks, isn't that Lust? And wait *gasp* isn't lust considered by some to be one of the 7 deadly sins, one of sins that automatically damns the culprit to hell? (notice I said considered by some, not all. Most Christians believe in the great forgiving ability of God/Jesus.) So it has some background...and wait, "F*cking real good" has it's consequences. AIDS, STDS, SHORTER LIFE SPANS BECAUSE OF STDS. (maybe right now you're reconsidering. maybe you're just skimming my post for the best way to label me a bad person, bring it on, by the way)

One homosexual =/= all. Oh, and BTW... More STDs are shuffled about by heterosexuals than homosexuals. You aren't really making a point here.

Ares Streiste

Also, LOVE is very different from LUST. LOVE is the feeling of ultimate caring for a person, thinking of how bad it would hurt to lose that person, enjoying every moment you spend with them (or if not, making things right after something goes wrong), being there for a person, not caring about the things that person hates about themselves, and doing everything you can just to make that person happy, safe, and healthy.

LUST on the other hand, is very different. It is sexual attraction, being horny, "wanting to F*ck real good", rape, (this list could go on and on, but I'd rather get off this subject.)

Okay. Thank you Webster-wannabe.

Ares Streiste

A man can show love for another man without being gay. Straight guys LOVE their best friends, even if they won't admit it. You love your younger brothers or sisters, also even though you may not admit it. Guys who fight with their dads love their dads anyway, and would miss them if they were gone. Guys love their moms without LUSTING for them. So how hard is it NOT to be lustful? (quite, but we won't get into that.)

A man can show love for another man AND be gay, too. Guess what? Homosexuality is not defined by man on man sex. Sexuality =/= sexual activity.

Ares Streiste

Girls display this quite well. They hug, goof around, and simply act as girls do. They give their girlfriends kisses sometimes, yet they go out with and marry guys! I'd rather not kiss another guy, however, but my point is made.

Have you ever heard of lesbians? Just curious.

Ares Streiste

NOW, onto the physical part. TWO SENTENCES: THE MALE PARTS AND FEMALE PARTS WERE MEANT TO GO TOGETHER FOR MAKING BABIES AND PLEASURE. BUTTS WERE NOT MEAN TO HAVE THINGS PUT IN THEM, ONLY TO HAVE THINGS (POOP) COME OUT.

Explain the prostrate. Explain why heterosexual couples have just as much if not MORE a**l sex than homosexual couples. And explain that, if sex can also be for pleasure, how a**l sex does not satisfy that requirement.

Ares Streiste

For proof of this, think of the structure. What comes out of a butt? What does it do? (smell bad and cause disease)

Now, what comes out of a p***s? (duh) What does it do? (make babies...NOT IN BUTTS)

What comes out of a p***s? Urine. That doesn't make babies.

You're failing pretty badly here. Semen in your hand doesn't make babies, either. Is masturbation, then, something grievously sinful?

Ares Streiste

Now, feel free to hate me, but not for my beliefs. I don't hate any one person. I may hate their lifestyle, but that is simply not the person. I hate that people think "they were born gay" (no...we already discussed that in the physical section...read it again). I don't hate any one person; in fact, the Bible says quite clearly to "Love your neighbor as yourself", but it does not say to accept his beliefs as your own, or comform to him. By the way, EVERYONE ON EARTH, IS YOUR NEIGHBOR. (it pretty well means "don't crap on someone else's lawn" wink

Can you prove homosexuals aren't born that way? I've got tons of research that says they are.

[No No Raja]

Ares Streiste

-bullshit-

And it is. But I'm letting other people deal with it because I'd rather NOT get banned for flaming.

I just have to ask who you think you are to tell me what I feel is just "platonic." It's more than that. It's not just sex, it's love for me. If I couldn't have sex, I'd still love them the same way--for who they are and how they make me feel.

[Ananel]

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin? I believe the best way I've heard it put is by one of the homos at their little protest in San Francisco. He says "We just want to F*ck real good!" Apart from the fact that his grammar sucks, isn't that Lust? And wait *gasp* isn't lust considered by some to be one of the 7 deadly sins, one of sins that automatically damns the culprit to hell? (notice I said considered by some, not all. Most Christians believe in the great forgiving ability of God/Jesus.) So it has some background...and wait, "F*cking real good" has it's consequences. AIDS, STDS, SHORTER LIFE SPANS BECAUSE OF STDS. (maybe right now you're reconsidering. maybe you're just skimming my post for the best way to label me a bad person, bring it on, by the way)

Also, LOVE is very different from LUST. LOVE is the feeling of ultimate caring for a person, thinking of how bad it would hurt to lose that person, enjoying every moment you spend with them (or if not, making things right after something goes wrong), being there for a person, not caring about the things that person hates about themselves, and doing everything you can just to make that person happy, safe, and healthy.

LUST on the other hand, is very different. It is sexual attraction, being horny, "wanting to F*ck real good", rape, (this list could go on and on, but I'd rather get off this subject.)

Gee.
Thanks.
Nice to know that you have long-range telepathy with enough focus to determine exactly what I desire in my relationships, and what all gay people desire in their relationships.

I mean, wow, you read me like a book.
The only thing I want is a good ********.
I just can't to get a big honking piece of meat shoved into me.
It's the only thing I think about when I wake up in the morning.
It's why I go to work all week, to have enough money to buy the things that will attract men so they can screw me into oblivion.
My libido drives my every shred of my being, and I can think of nothing more than the next score.
Yep, you hit the nail on the head.

...except.
you didn't.

You don't know jack about anyone. You MIGHT know about people so crass and shallow as to scream that on national television, but I won't guarantee that.

I, and many other bisexuals and homosexuals, departed the folds of the 'family' because we were not comfortable with the rampant sexuality and the swinging lifestyle that had grown in some of its underbelly. We wanted spouses who we could meet, grow with, fall in love with and spend the rest of our days with. We didn't want a cheap lay, and we didn't share well. I personally hear I should stop by San Fran sometime.

I've been there.
Nice bay.
Good sea air.
Great food.
Some descent tourist spots.
The 'gay sections' of town scare the piss out of me.

Don't presume to speak for us and our goals. I try very hard not to do so myself, though I do fail sometimes, but I can tell you something: You don't know from the man in the moon, and you do not speak to my personality, history or motives.

[The Martel]

There are many traditions that are no longer kept by the church. For example in 1st Corinthians, Paul says that women must not speak in church, however we do this commonly today. Laviticus was written so that the Jews would be diffrent than other peoples on earth, now that Christ has come, things are diffrent, and we now may shave, for example.

[Mixolydia]

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin?

It isn't.
But I'll leave that field to Ananel and Loki, because they're far better at destroying that misconception than I am.

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I believe the best way I've heard it put is by one of the homos at their little protest in San Francisco.

Note the word I bolded.
One person does not represent an entire community of people.

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He says "We just want to F*ck real good!"

I do believe I've heard heterosexuals with the same viewpoint.
Promiscuity isn't limited to homosexuals.

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Apart from the fact that his grammar sucks, isn't that Lust?

Fantastic observation.
Again, heterosexuals get that too.

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And wait *gasp* isn't lust considered by some to be one of the 7 deadly sins, one of sins that automatically damns the culprit to hell?

Depends on the person you're talking to.
I'm claiming no knowledge of the sins, so don't look at me.
Also, straight people sin too.

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(notice I said considered by some, not all. Most Christians believe in the great forgiving ability of God/Jesus.)

A comforting notion, don't you think?
I'm not completely sure, but I do believe it says the same thing somewhere in the bible.

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So it has some background...and wait, "F*cking real good" has it's consequences. AIDS, STDS, SHORTER LIFE SPANS BECAUSE OF STDS.

Fascinating.
Explain to me then why AIDS is so rampant in Africa.
I don't think it's just "F*cking real good."
Safe sex exists too, you know.

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(maybe right now you're reconsidering. maybe you're just skimming my post for the best way to label me a bad person, bring it on, by the way)

I don't think that's wise.
Because I know a few people who'd love to take you up on that offer.

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Also, LOVE is very different from LUST.

Your point being....?

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LOVE is the feeling of ultimate caring for a person, thinking of how bad it would hurt to lose that person, enjoying every moment you spend with them (or if not, making things right after something goes wrong), being there for a person, not caring about the things that person hates about themselves, and doing everything you can just to make that person happy, safe, and healthy.

LUST on the other hand, is very different. It is sexual attraction, being horny, "wanting to F*ck real good", rape, (this list could go on and on, but I'd rather get off this subject.)

I fail to see the relevance of this little spiel with regards to the point you're trying to make.
Pro Tip: come back when your arguments can be a little more solid.

[Ananel]

Poindextra

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin?

It isn't.
But I'll leave that field to Ananel and Loki, because they're far better at destroying that misconception than I am.

I leave Jewish interpretations largely to their denomination. Shaviv and Kalil Chernov are stronger ones to speak with regarding how jews interpret these passages in such a way that they understand the lack of sin in homosexuality.

[SullaFelix]

Also I'm pretty sure ham can still spread diseases if you aren't careful.

whee Be careful kids. Use a condom. Cook your food.

[Mixolydia]

Ananel

Poindextra

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin?

It isn't.
But I'll leave that field to Ananel and Loki, because they're far better at destroying that misconception than I am.

I leave Jewish interpretations largely to their denomination. Shaviv and Kalil Chernov are stronger ones to speak with regarding how jews interpret these passages in such a way that they understand the lack of sin in homosexuality.

Understood, but I have little sway on this topic compared to yourself and others.

[No No Raja]

Ananel

Poindextra

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin?

It isn't.
But I'll leave that field to Ananel and Loki, because they're far better at destroying that misconception than I am.

I leave Jewish interpretations largely to their denomination. Shaviv and Kalil Chernov are stronger ones to speak with regarding how jews interpret these passages in such a way that they understand the lack of sin in homosexuality.

Ananel, and any Jews that are out there, I'm just curious:

We don't kick our females out of the town, right? Because we've found ways to deal with the uncleanliness of the menstral system.

We don't prohibit people from eating pork or beef, right? Because we've found safe ways to deal with disease--cooking the meat.

So then why is it, since we've come up with lubrication and condoms to make gay sex safer, is it still such a reprehensible thing?

[error-dot-tar]

Saltski Circe

Ananel

Poindextra

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin?

It isn't.
But I'll leave that field to Ananel and Loki, because they're far better at destroying that misconception than I am.

I leave Jewish interpretations largely to their denomination. Shaviv and Kalil Chernov are stronger ones to speak with regarding how jews interpret these passages in such a way that they understand the lack of sin in homosexuality.

Ananel, and any Jews that are out there, I'm just curious:

We don't kick our females out of the town, right? Because we've found ways to deal with the uncleanliness of the menstral system.

We don't prohibit people from eating pork or beef, right? Because we've found safe ways to deal with disease--cooking the meat.

So then why is it, since we've come up with lubrication and condoms to make gay sex safer, is it still such a reprehensible thing?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought pork was still against Jewish beliefs?

[No No Raja]

error[dot]exe

Saltski Circe

Ananel

Poindextra

Ares Streiste

Why is being a homo a sin?

It isn't.
But I'll leave that field to Ananel and Loki, because they're far better at destroying that misconception than I am.

I leave Jewish interpretations largely to their denomination. Shaviv and Kalil Chernov are stronger ones to speak with regarding how jews interpret these passages in such a way that they understand the lack of sin in homosexuality.

Ananel, and any Jews that are out there, I'm just curious:

We don't kick our females out of the town, right? Because we've found ways to deal with the uncleanliness of the menstral system.

We don't prohibit people from eating pork or beef, right? Because we've found safe ways to deal with disease--cooking the meat.

So then why is it, since we've come up with lubrication and condoms to make gay sex safer, is it still such a reprehensible thing?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought pork was still against Jewish beliefs?

D'OH *smacks forehead* GAH!

Sorry. I completely forgot that! ....I'll still leave it up, though, if any Christians have a response to this.

[Ananel]

Saltski Circe

So then why is it, since we've come up with lubrication and condoms to make gay sex safer, is it still such a reprehensible thing?

As I said just before, Saltski, I don't speak to Jewish interpretations. Besides the demi-heretical Qabbalists, there are at least three major theological movements with significantly different attitudes towards the To'rah Law (Conservative, Orthodox and Liberal).

From my own Christian perspective, the short version is that I view this to be part of the Law of Moses, and thus nailed to the cross and removed. Unlike some other portions of that law, I see it as having not found a need for further and continued condemnation in the NT law, and do not consider it binding any longer, and feel that 1 Corinthians 7 implies a need for gays to marry, in order (in part) to avoid promiscuity.

[Taineyah]

Ares Streiste

I find it funny that you goobers think that shaving is somehow a sin to Christians....

The laws that seem silly to you all, involving eating rules about certain animals are old JEWISH law.

~~Snipped for a bad case of NO s**t SHERLOCK THAT WAS THE ******** POINT!~~

That's the point. Yet homophobes cite the Levitical laws as a reason why homosexuals are sinners and evil. Point here? Either you follow them or you don't. You can't pick and choose.

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~~Snipped utter bollocks about Sodom and Gomorah~~
As for the angels, give me some other explanation as to why Lot knew the city was about to be demolished... stare The phrase "God hates queers" comes to mind... and definitely, the all powerful God, the being which time does NOT affect, and is in essence, too pure to tolerate impurity, hates the sin (oops, I'm not very politically correct am I?) of homosexuality.

Not only are you being politically incorrect, you're full of s**t. Sodom and Gomorrah, as explained on the first page of this thread, were condemned for decadence and lust, not for homosexuality specifically.

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Why is being a homo a sin? I believe the best way I've heard it put is by one of the homos at their little protest in San Francisco. He says "We just want to F*ck real good!" Apart from the fact that his grammar sucks, isn't that Lust? And wait *gasp* isn't lust considered by some to be one of the 7 deadly sins, one of sins that automatically damns the culprit to hell? (notice I said considered by some, not all. Most Christians believe in the great forgiving ability of God/Jesus.) So it has some background...and wait, "F*cking real good" has it's consequences. AIDS, STDS, SHORTER LIFE SPANS BECAUSE OF STDS. (maybe right now you're reconsidering. maybe you're just skimming my post for the best way to label me a bad person, bring it on, by the way)

Hi. I'm an XX gynephilic androgyne. For someone like you, I may as well translate that the only way you might understand, regardless of the innacuracies: I'm a lesbian. I do not have sex with people out of sheer lust, anymore than heterosexuals. I have sex with people I love as a way to connect deeper with them. As a biologically female individual who has sex with other females, I am actually LESS likely than heterosexual females to get AIDS and die. What do you think of that?

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Also, LOVE is very different from LUST.

Yes, it is.

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LOVE is the feeling of ultimate caring for a person, thinking of how bad it would hurt to lose that person, enjoying every moment you spend with them (or if not, making things right after something goes wrong), being there for a person, not caring about the things that person hates about themselves, and doing everything you can just to make that person happy, safe, and healthy.

Yup. Which explains EXACTLY how I feel about my partner. I would KILL to protect her and I love her and I will do ANYTHING to make her feel good about herself.

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LUST on the other hand, is very different. It is sexual attraction, being horny, "wanting to F*ck real good", rape, (this list could go on and on, but I'd rather get off this subject.)

So... If you love a girl and want to make babies with her because she makes you horny, then you are filled with lust? Dude, I hope you have never had a gf or you're going to hell.

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A man can show love for another man without being gay. Straight guys LOVE their best friends, even if they won't admit it. You love your younger brothers or sisters, also even though you may not admit it.

That's not always true, though I'll let it slide.

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Guys who fight with their dads love their dads anyway, and would miss them if they were gone.

Not true, necessasrily.

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Guys love their moms without LUSTING for them. So how hard is it NOT to be lustful? (quite, but we won't get into that.)

If you acknowledge that, in some situations, you do find it hard not to be lustful, then why do you ask how hard it is not to be, as though it is simple?

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Girls display this quite well. They hug, goof around, and simply act as girls do. They give their girlfriends kisses sometimes, yet they go out with and marry guys! I'd rather not kiss another guy, however, but my point is made.

And sometimes girls kiss and hug and shag and marry one another. What's you're point exactly?

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NOW, onto the physical part. TWO SENTENCES: THE MALE PARTS AND FEMALE PARTS WERE MEANT TO GO TOGETHER FOR MAKING BABIES AND PLEASURE.

My female parts are NOT going together with male parts to make babies. I do NOT get pleasure from male parts going in my female parts. I will NEVER make a baby. Guess mine are made to be lesbian, huh?

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BUTTS WERE NOT MEAN TO HAVE THINGS PUT IN THEM, ONLY TO HAVE THINGS (POOP) COME OUT.

So if I put a vibrator in my partners butt and it comes back out, that's okay, right? Oh, and did you know that some medications are inserted rectally and that the most accurate way to take a person's temperature, medically, is through their a**s? Explain all that, please. Also please explain the location of the prostate.

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For proof of this, think of the structure. What comes out of a butt? What does it do? (smell bad and cause disease)

What comes out of a p***s? What does it do? (smell bad and cause disease)

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Now, what comes out of a p***s? (duh) What does it do? (make babies...NOT IN BUTTS)

Ummm... urine makes babies? Dude, take sex ed. Thanks.

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Now, feel free to hate me, but not for my beliefs. I don't hate any one person. I may hate their lifestyle, but that is simply not the person. I hate that people think "they were born gay" (no...we already discussed that in the physical section...read it again).

Yes, we did discuss this. I was born lesbian. Please read my statements again.

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I don't hate any one person; in fact, the Bible says quite clearly to "Love your neighbor as yourself", but it does not say to accept his beliefs as your own, or comform to him. By the way, EVERYONE ON EARTH, IS YOUR NEIGHBOR. (it pretty well means "don't crap on someone else's lawn" wink

How is this like being gay? How does it relate?

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I don't hate anyone here, So like I said before, find a good reason to hate me, if you can find one. Then, tell me why you hate me, and think about whether it makes sense to hate anyone as a person.

Well... I don't hate you. I pity you for the misinformation you have been fed. Please read some biology texts so that you may be enlightened and find favour in Lord Darwin.