Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Lord Setar]

Blaze50000

Loki is full of crap...

Please show how.

[Baby Spoon Ninja]

Lord Setar

Shennanigans

Okay, I do realize that majority and tradition are sometimes wrong. However, it seems as if yall ('Loki and 'Setar) put no stock whatever in either tradition or majority. Why is that? Am I missing something? It seems to me that if 100,000 experts all through the stream of history have believed one way, and an upstart alternative arises among, say, 1000 experts, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the 100,000.

However, what you are talking about is your majority attempting to use a word that was, according to what I have read so far in this thread, nonexistant in the Greek used to write the Bible. This could likely be a combination of the inaccurate past translations and the attempt to push an agenda of "Homosexuality is bad." See, you can't translate a rare word into a word that didn't exist in the language you are translating from. If Latin has no word for, say, uranium, you can't translate some obscure word to mean "uranium." Same goes with other languages.

But we are not talking about uranium, or anything else that wasn't discovered yet. Homosexuality was practiced in the early Roman Empire, no? I vaguely recollect some letter of a legion commander on the matter. If homosexuality was practiced in NT times, and yet there was no word in the koine Greek for it, why does the pro homosexuality camp insist to see explicit mention of homosexuality? Surely there had to be some way of talking about it, no? If not, then perhaps a new word could be fashioned to account for the language problem?

[Lord Setar]

Blaze50000

omg y do people try to disprove the bible i mean if u dont believe in it then go do something else instead of trying to make ur self feel better by trying to disprove something.

just except it or go burn in hell for all i care

Loki is Christian, and he is not trying to disprove the Bible - merely show how it does not condemn homosexuality.

[linaloki]

Blaze50000

omg y do people try to disprove the bible i mean if u dont believe in it then go do something else instead of trying to make ur self feel better by trying to disprove something.

just except it or go burn in hell for all i care

Were I trying to disprove the Bible, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be using Bible verses to defend my point.

[linaloki]

Shennanigans

Okay, I do realize that majority and tradition are sometimes wrong. However, it seems as if yall ('Loki and 'Setar) put no stock whatever in either tradition or majority. Why is that? Am I missing something? It seems to me that if 100,000 experts all through the stream of history have believed one way, and an upstart alternative arises among, say, 1000 experts, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the 100,000.

Ponder me this. Throughout history, thousands, maybe millions, said slavery was a-okay. Then, within the past, say, 400 years, a small cropping of people started to say it wasn't so hot.

Me, I lean with the minority in that case. Appeals to majority are never intrinsically correct.

[Baby Spoon Ninja]

linaloki

Shennanigans

Okay, I do realize that majority and tradition are sometimes wrong. However, it seems as if yall ('Loki and 'Setar) put no stock whatever in either tradition or majority. Why is that? Am I missing something? It seems to me that if 100,000 experts all through the stream of history have believed one way, and an upstart alternative arises among, say, 1000 experts, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the 100,000.

Ponder me this. Throughout history, thousands, maybe millions, said slavery was a-okay. Then, within the past, say, 400 years, a small cropping of people started to say it wasn't so hot.

Me, I lean with the minority in that case. Appeals to majority are never intrinsically correct.

Right, right. But, the farther we get from the time that Koine Greek was written, the less certain we can be about its meaning. Shouldn't Augustine have known more clearly than Barth what the words in question refer to?

[linaloki]

Shennanigans

linaloki

Shennanigans

Okay, I do realize that majority and tradition are sometimes wrong. However, it seems as if yall ('Loki and 'Setar) put no stock whatever in either tradition or majority. Why is that? Am I missing something? It seems to me that if 100,000 experts all through the stream of history have believed one way, and an upstart alternative arises among, say, 1000 experts, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the 100,000.

Ponder me this. Throughout history, thousands, maybe millions, said slavery was a-okay. Then, within the past, say, 400 years, a small cropping of people started to say it wasn't so hot.

Me, I lean with the minority in that case. Appeals to majority are never intrinsically correct.

Right, right. But, the farther we get from the time that Koine Greek was written, the less certain we can be about its meaning. Shouldn't Augustine have known more clearly than Barth what the words in question refer to?

Shouldn't Augustine have had more political pressure put upon him than Barth?

[Neko_Akira]

I approve onf linaloki's argument.

[Lord Setar]

linaloki

Blaze50000

omg y do people try to disprove the bible i mean if u dont believe in it then go do something else instead of trying to make ur self feel better by trying to disprove something.

just except it or go burn in hell for all i care

Were I trying to disprove the Bible, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be using Bible verses to defend my point.

What if you were using a bible verse that said "This compilation of books is in no way true and should not be taken as such" or something like that?

[linaloki]

Lord Setar

linaloki

Blaze50000

omg y do people try to disprove the bible i mean if u dont believe in it then go do something else instead of trying to make ur self feel better by trying to disprove something.

just except it or go burn in hell for all i care

Were I trying to disprove the Bible, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be using Bible verses to defend my point.

What if you were using a bible verse that said "This compilation of books is in no way true and should not be taken as such" or something like that?

If such a Bible verse were in existence, then yeah. I'd use it.

[Lord Setar]

linaloki

Lord Setar

linaloki

Blaze50000

omg y do people try to disprove the bible i mean if u dont believe in it then go do something else instead of trying to make ur self feel better by trying to disprove something.

just except it or go burn in hell for all i care

Were I trying to disprove the Bible, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be using Bible verses to defend my point.

What if you were using a bible verse that said "This compilation of books is in no way true and should not be taken as such" or something like that?

If such a Bible verse were in existence, then yeah. I'd use it.

Reminds me of a picture I saw, where a Bible had a sticker on it that was like those TV disclaimers. "This is based on fictional events..." and stuff like that.

Don't books on Darwin have to carry "This is only theory" in some places now?

[The Apple of His Eye]

{ fluffy }

As always, I don't believe church/the bible should determine how one lives. I'm Christian and as far as I'm concerned it isn't even a religion, it's a relationship. As far as I can tell by being guiltless in my attraction for the same gender, God doesn't find it wrong. In fact, sometimes that lack of feeling escalates into a feeling of it not only being okay, but RIGHT. God not only approves, He made me that way. The Bible, especially after thousands of years, can't tell me what to do. Nor other sinners.

Thank you Loki for this wonderful post, as always. Glad to see some people who follow the Lord actually stop and read the book they think they live by. Just the other day a woman and a recording called wanting signatures to stop homosexual marriage (as if it was her right) and played a sympathy card by saying she was a "worried mother of three children". For a second, assuming homosexuality IS wrong, think about how it isn't YOUR right. If the person doesn't want water leave them to their lemonade. God said to go and tell others. Everyone knows, but that isn't enough. Christianity has become a game of "who leads the most people to Christ" so much that I'm ashamed to call myself Christian.

Anyway, I'm done. I needed to ramble because I'm tired of everyone at my church, including my family, trying to convince me so many silly things are wrong. There a people at my church who think sex and drinking are wrong (I don't mean underage or before marriage. Just IN GENERAL).

{ and cute }

[Baby Spoon Ninja]

linaloki

Shennanigans

linaloki

Shennanigans

Okay, I do realize that majority and tradition are sometimes wrong. However, it seems as if yall ('Loki and 'Setar) put no stock whatever in either tradition or majority. Why is that? Am I missing something? It seems to me that if 100,000 experts all through the stream of history have believed one way, and an upstart alternative arises among, say, 1000 experts, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the 100,000.

Ponder me this. Throughout history, thousands, maybe millions, said slavery was a-okay. Then, within the past, say, 400 years, a small cropping of people started to say it wasn't so hot.

Me, I lean with the minority in that case. Appeals to majority are never intrinsically correct.

Right, right. But, the farther we get from the time that Koine Greek was written, the less certain we can be about its meaning. Shouldn't Augustine have known more clearly than Barth what the words in question refer to?

Shouldn't Augustine have had more political pressure put upon him than Barth?

I don't think that "City of God" was exactly caving to that political pressure, though. However, Augustine an Barth were just names out of a hat, if you will. Origen and Eugene Peterson, then. Or so on.

Those farther back in the tradition were more in touch with the basis for the tradition. If the Patristics say, "This is Christianity," I am inclined to believe them over an Episcopalian Bishop in the modern day's rendering of the Christian message, you know?