Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Dragonsbane1]

PoeticVengeance

Dragonsbane1

PoeticVengeance

The use of the word homosexual in the NIV is actually a massive mistranslation.

The word in question was a word created by Paul to describe pedastry.

Well I'm not arguing that point poetic, *shrugs* though if we're to accept other translations on this point, then we have to accept other translations on all points.... In this debate he laid out the NIV as what we were to go by.... Though there is still "Debate" about whether the translation was flawed or not, on both sides of that topic...

EDIT: though granted the term homosexual *IS* a newer term...

Yeah, homosexual was definately not in use until the late 1800s.

and with such a blatant translational issue, I figure even with the NIV being our primary discussion point, its relevant.

Well I did note that there was debate on both sides, on that topic I was pretty clear about that...even talking about the greek roots and such...Though it *IS* still being debated amongst scholars... as to what the "proper" translation should be... I was simply bringing up in context of this debate, the verse because it *WAS* NIV

[PoeticVengeance]

Dragonsbane1

PoeticVengeance

Dragonsbane1

PoeticVengeance

The use of the word homosexual in the NIV is actually a massive mistranslation.

The word in question was a word created by Paul to describe pedastry.

Well I'm not arguing that point poetic, *shrugs* though if we're to accept other translations on this point, then we have to accept other translations on all points.... In this debate he laid out the NIV as what we were to go by.... Though there is still "Debate" about whether the translation was flawed or not, on both sides of that topic...

EDIT: though granted the term homosexual *IS* a newer term...

Yeah, homosexual was definately not in use until the late 1800s.

and with such a blatant translational issue, I figure even with the NIV being our primary discussion point, its relevant.

Well I did note that there was debate on both sides, on that topic I was pretty clear about that...even talking about the greek roots and such...Though it *IS* still being debated amongst scholars... as to what the "proper" translation should be... I was simply bringing up in context of this debate, the verse because it *WAS* NIV

I see it as an almost complete non-issue.

Paul had always been really good about explaining his terms. He was a very concise writer.

And he used that term previously in writings against pedastry and never once said he was changing the term.

He would've made mention of that if he decided to do so.

But because the word was a combination of the greek word for man and bed, people assumed homosexuality.

[That Handsome Devil]

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It doesn't matter if it is a sin, all can be forgiven. Well all but one.

Wasn't that blashphemous?

[Sound Doxa]

That Handsome Devil

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It doesn't matter if it is a sin, all can be forgiven. Well all but one.

Wasn't that blashphemous?

But the thing is, if it isn't a sin, then there's no need to repent for it/ask for forgiveness.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

SoundDoctrine

That Handsome Devil

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It doesn't matter if it is a sin, all can be forgiven. Well all but one.

Wasn't that blashphemous?

But the thing is, if it isn't a sin, then there's no need to repent for it/ask for forgiveness.

Or to tell others they're doing it wrong, for that matter.

[Kata Samoes]

That Handsome Devil

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It doesn't matter if it is a sin, all can be forgiven. Well all but one.

Wasn't that blashphemous?

I'm curious, what sin is that?

[Zoreta]

...Alright, it appears I need to clear that I am infact a supporter of homosexuality.

The sin that can't be forgiven it speaking outright against god. Supposedly. I'm quickly losing all trust in the bible anyway, the thing's been thrashed by so many years of translation and opportunists it isn't even funny...

Anyway. Love is love- they love each other. Why can't they marry? Someone give me one valid reason why they shouldn't. Keep religion out of this.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Kata Samoes

That Handsome Devil

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It doesn't matter if it is a sin, all can be forgiven. Well all but one.

Wasn't that blashphemous?

I'm curious, what sin is that?

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

[PoeticVengeance]

Zoreta

Anyway. Love is love- they love each other. Why can't they marry? Someone give me one valid reason why they shouldn't. Keep religion out of this.

Um... Zoreta, this thread is about the Christian religion and its reactions to homosexuality.

Its a little hard to keep religion out of a debate about how a religion should react to a sexuality.

I agree that no religion should play a role in secular marriage. But right now in this thread, we're addressing Christianity's false assumptions and corruptions of Scripture in relation to homosexuality.

[__Shisuko__11]

You seem to be arguing a point that has been argued over for years. I don't see the point of it now. No matter who is a Christian, it's always that their translations of the Bible stink or that their trying to bring people to Christ isn't helping. But this is kind of discriminating half the population is it not?

[Kata Samoes]

12345neo

You seem to be arguing a point that has been argued over for years. I don't see the point of it now. No matter who is a Christian, it's always that their translations of the Bible stink or that their trying to bring people to Christ isn't helping. But this is kind of discriminating half the population is it not?

No, it's informing them, and having a debate over it.

[__Shisuko__11]

Kata Samoes

12345neo

You seem to be arguing a point that has been argued over for years. I don't see the point of it now. No matter who is a Christian, it's always that their translations of the Bible stink or that their trying to bring people to Christ isn't helping. But this is kind of discriminating half the population is it not?

No, it's informing them, and having a debate over it.

Yes, informing us is alright. But debating is also arguing and I really don't see why this is brought up time and time again only to come up another year to be debated.

[Kata Samoes]

12345neo

Kata Samoes

12345neo

You seem to be arguing a point that has been argued over for years. I don't see the point of it now. No matter who is a Christian, it's always that their translations of the Bible stink or that their trying to bring people to Christ isn't helping. But this is kind of discriminating half the population is it not?

No, it's informing them, and having a debate over it.

Yes, informing us is alright. But debating is also arguing and I really don't see why this is brought up time and time again only to come up another year to be debated.

Joy, passion, facts, personal rights issues, personal issues, enjoyment, practice, beliefs, disagreements on opinions and/or facts..

Should I continue?

[__Shisuko__11]

Kata Samoes

12345neo

Kata Samoes

12345neo

You seem to be arguing a point that has been argued over for years. I don't see the point of it now. No matter who is a Christian, it's always that their translations of the Bible stink or that their trying to bring people to Christ isn't helping. But this is kind of discriminating half the population is it not?

No, it's informing them, and having a debate over it.

Yes, informing us is alright. But debating is also arguing and I really don't see why this is brought up time and time again only to come up another year to be debated.

Joy, passion, facts, personal rights issues, personal issues, enjoyment, practice, beliefs, disagreements on opinions and/or facts..

Should I continue?

You need not. I know that. But I am saying this is a topic that has been argued over since (excuse me) the Bible age. And yet no one has made a decision or even leaned to one side of the argument. Obviously a lot of different religions have a lot of fact or good theory to prove theirs is real.

[sakuranight]

i agree with this completely. my grandma lives with another woman and she is bi and im perfectly ok with it, i dont think gay is something ugly or something tat should be looked down upon. i think it is a beatiful thing and if it is wrong to love someone of the same sex then it should be wrong to love someone of opposite sex's. this world is just messed up