Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Yuki the Mormon]

John Calvin

And what would you define "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" as?

this popped into my head when you said that

[Mucetuce]

Of what use it is to suede a pupil
Is this and only this
Speak what ears would long to hear
for children hear...

Although a skillful and thorough perversion of the scriptures, this argument is in fact a perversion, and nothing more. I am not here to argue the right of homosexuals to marry or to be together, because it does not suit the topic of this forum. The proper understanding and interpretation of the scriptures has become the greatest import.

The scriptures may be interpreted in a variety of different ways, as is the right of humans, having a living soul and thinking mind, to do. However, a scientific study of the bible as a text is just that, the scientific analysis of a text, and nothing more. If you wish to divulge the spiritual aspects of its pages, it is important that more than scientifically, you as well wield yourself spiritually, with good faith in your God, whether it be the God of heaven or of hell, or if you worship some other idol, object, sport, soul, friend, what have you. Without study in light of your faith, scriptural study is about as useful as disecting the text of a child's picturebook.

To conclude, no scientist can decide what any individual is supposed to believe or was meant to believe spiritually.

As an informal post sentance, in respect to the original intended topic of the forum, homosexuality does not damn a human being, but their own sinful nature. If you are worried about your ultimate destination, first seek salvation, then afterwards learn exactly how you should live your life in Christ.

PM me if you have any questions, comments, concerns, or simply wish to speak with me.

...Only what they wish.

[Lord Setar]

DharmaPebble

Of what use it is to suede a pupil
Is this and only this
Speak what ears would long to hear
for children hear...

Although a skillful and thorough perversion of the scriptures, this argument is in fact a perversion, and nothing more. I am not here to argue the right of homosexuals to marry or to be together, because it does not suit the topic of this forum. The proper understanding and interpretation of the scriptures has become the greatest import.

The scriptures may be interpreted in a variety of different ways, as is the right of humans, having a living soul and thinking mind, to do. However, a scientific study of the bible as a text is just that, the scientific analysis of a text, and nothing more. If you wish to divulge the spiritual aspects of its pages, it is important that more than scientifically, you as well wield yourself spiritually, with good faith in your God, whether it be the God of heaven or of hell, or if you worship some other idol, object, sport, soul, friend, what have you. Without study in light of your faith, scriptural study is about as useful as disecting the text of a child's picturebook.

To conclude, no scientist can decide what any individual is supposed to believe or was meant to believe spiritually.

As an informal post sentance, in respect to the original intended topic of the forum, homosexuality does not damn a human being, but their own sinful nature. If you are worried about your ultimate destination, first seek salvation, then afterwards learn exactly how you should live your life in Christ.

PM me if you have any questions, comments, concerns, or simply wish to speak with me.

...Only what they wish.

...this boils down to "You're wrong because I say so!"

Loki is not interpreting the text, he is pointing out mistranslations and other errors used by those who attempt to state that the Bible condemns homosexuality. He refers to the original language of the Bible and draws his conclusions from there, as well as pointing out how the Mosaic Law no longer applies to Christians through what was done by Jesus and the hypocrisy in applying Lev 18:22 while ignoring...pretty much the rest of Leviticus.

I also think that Loki will be very insulted when he reads the final sentence of your post (if he figures out that the post is in white text - please don't do that in the future), considering how he's, you know, a Christian. In fact, I have no idea where you get off implying that he's not, especially considering that he states his religious affiliation as a part of his opening.

If you wish to actually attempt to disprove Loki, feel free to do so, but your pointless crying and blathering on about Loki doing something that he's not won't fly with me, or with anyone else here.

[Anarchist Miracle]

Gho the Girl

Heyo Christians. This sunday I'll be going to a church for the actual service for the first time in oooooo around 7 or 8 years. I'm an oathbreaker. And I'm uncertain, but depending upon your definition of "blasphemy against the holy spirit" I've committed that too.

Jesus said that about people who claimed his miracles (specifically casting out demons) were done through the use of demonic powers. these days most people believe that either God was behind them or they didn't happen.

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I was invited to attend the service by this local community church.

What think you all?

good for you!

[Lord Setar]

Anarchist Miracle

Gho the Girl

Heyo Christians. This sunday I'll be going to a church for the actual service for the first time in oooooo around 7 or 8 years. I'm an oathbreaker. And I'm uncertain, but depending upon your definition of "blasphemy against the holy spirit" I've committed that too.

Jesus said that about people who claimed his miracles (specifically casting out demons) were done through the use of demonic powers. these days most people believe that either God was behind them or they didn't happen.

Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

[Anarchist Miracle]

DharmaPebble

The scriptures may be interpreted in a variety of different ways, as is the right of humans, having a living soul and thinking mind, to do. However, a scientific study of the bible as a text is just that, the scientific analysis of a text, and nothing more. If you wish to divulge the spiritual aspects of its pages,

what does this mean

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it is important that more than scientifically, you as well wield yourself spiritually,

what does this mean

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with good faith in your God, whether it be the God of heaven or of hell, or if you worship some other idol, object, sport, soul, friend, what have you. Without study in light of your faith, scriptural study is about as useful as disecting the text of a child's picturebook.

I studied your post in the light of my faith, but it still seems like a meaningless appeal to personal opinion.

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To conclude, no scientist can decide what any individual is supposed to believe or was meant to believe spiritually.

everyone is free to believe what they want. that doesn't prevent text from having an objective meaning. if your 'spiritual analysis' leads you to believe that the Bible says Jesus was really Arnold Schwarzenegger come back in time, well you can believe that, but you're still wrong.

[Anarchist Miracle]

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Gho the Girl

Heyo Christians. This sunday I'll be going to a church for the actual service for the first time in oooooo around 7 or 8 years. I'm an oathbreaker. And I'm uncertain, but depending upon your definition of "blasphemy against the holy spirit" I've committed that too.

Jesus said that about people who claimed his miracles (specifically casting out demons) were done through the use of demonic powers. these days most people believe that either God was behind them or they didn't happen.

Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

try this thread. your post is off topic.

[Goldlily]

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Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

It's called faith that his miracles did happen. That's the difference between those who need proof of everything little thing to verify a deity exists. How arrogant and so human.

But FYI, I've seen miracles happen, people who should have died and yet, recover with no issues. Baffles even doctors. Being alive and on this world is considered a miracle to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I guess we'll see when we die. If you're right, then I lose. But if I'm right, I win everything and you have nothing. It'll be too late then, but oh well, I guess.

[Lord Setar]

Goldlily

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Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

It's called faith that his miracles did happen. That's the difference between those who need proof of everything little thing to verify a deity exists. How arrogant and so human.

It's not arrogance, it's logic, which an ipse dixit such as the one you have provided is not. Really, though, is it a common tactic of people like you to attempt to demean others for utilizing logic and call them arrogant? Never mind that I never even claimed myself to be right...agnosticism is what it is for a reason, and right now I actually would be well grounded in calling you arrogant.

Goldlily

But FYI, I've seen miracles happen, people who should have died and yet, recover with no issues. Baffles even doctors. Being alive and on this world is considered a miracle to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Anecdotes like these are unverifiable - for all I know you're making this up out of thin air in an attempt to try and convert me. I have no way to verify that what you saw actually happened, and I personally dislike the idea of blindly trusting things.

Goldlily

I guess we'll see when we die. If you're right, then I lose. But if I'm right, I win everything and you have nothing. It'll be too late then, but oh well, I guess.

If you're right, I'll have a lot of fun telling your god how he's an attention whoring p***k. If he were a truly "just" god, like I've had many people tell me, he'd hear me out and I'd explain to him exactly why I'm not a blind believer. I mean, your god is fair, loving and just...right?

[Lord Setar]

Anarchist Miracle

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Gho the Girl

Heyo Christians. This sunday I'll be going to a church for the actual service for the first time in oooooo around 7 or 8 years. I'm an oathbreaker. And I'm uncertain, but depending upon your definition of "blasphemy against the holy spirit" I've committed that too.

Jesus said that about people who claimed his miracles (specifically casting out demons) were done through the use of demonic powers. these days most people believe that either God was behind them or they didn't happen.

Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

try this thread. your post is off topic.

You're not a moderator and it's not your job to police the thread. Furthermore, what you posted is spam - I'm actually trying to keep some semblance of discussion going here. Mind actually responding to me instead of complaining?

[Anarchist Miracle]

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Gho the Girl

Heyo Christians. This sunday I'll be going to a church for the actual service for the first time in oooooo around 7 or 8 years. I'm an oathbreaker. And I'm uncertain, but depending upon your definition of "blasphemy against the holy spirit" I've committed that too.

Jesus said that about people who claimed his miracles (specifically casting out demons) were done through the use of demonic powers. these days most people believe that either God was behind them or they didn't happen.

Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

try this thread. your post is off topic.

You're not a moderator and it's not your job to police the thread. Furthermore, what you posted is spam -

I'm sorry, it frustrates me when people quote my posts and then go off about something unrelated.

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I'm actually trying to keep some semblance of discussion going here. Mind actually responding to me instead of complaining?

sure. since you have questioned the existence of the miracles and not their origin, you have not committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. HTH, HAND

[Lord Setar]

Anarchist Miracle

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Jesus said that about people who claimed his miracles (specifically casting out demons) were done through the use of demonic powers. these days most people believe that either God was behind them or they didn't happen.

Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

try this thread. your post is off topic.

You're not a moderator and it's not your job to police the thread. Furthermore, what you posted is spam -

I'm sorry, it frustrates me when people quote my posts and then go off about something unrelated.

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I'm actually trying to keep some semblance of discussion going here. Mind actually responding to me instead of complaining?

sure. since you have questioned the existence of the miracles and not their origin, you have not committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. HTH, HAND

*shrug* Apparently I automatically commit that by being agnostic anyway, so it's not like that matters to me.

[Anarchist Miracle]

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Lord Setar

Anarchist Miracle

Lord Setar

Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

try this thread. your post is off topic.

You're not a moderator and it's not your job to police the thread. Furthermore, what you posted is spam -

I'm sorry, it frustrates me when people quote my posts and then go off about something unrelated.

Quote:

I'm actually trying to keep some semblance of discussion going here. Mind actually responding to me instead of complaining?

sure. since you have questioned the existence of the miracles and not their origin, you have not committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. HTH, HAND

*shrug* Apparently I automatically commit that by being agnostic anyway, so it's not like that matters to me.

see Mark 3:29-30. Jesus was not referring to agnostics, he was referring to people who thought he was Beelzebub. if you are agnostic than you don't believe in either Jesus or demons, therefore you are not committing blasphemy of the holy spirit.

[Aino Ailill]

Goldlily

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Given that we can't verify his "miracles" and that they may be likely nothing more than common magic tricks or even just sheer embellishment or pure fabrication, I would strongly err towards the latter. This is augmented by a combination of science with Occam's razor making a deity unnecessary (and thus, by Occam's razor, nonexistent). Without anything definitive, I still place the claim in a state of doubt, but the razor alone makes me lean heavily towards the "no miracles" side.

It's called faith that his miracles did happen. That's the difference between those who need proof of everything little thing to verify a deity exists. How arrogant and so human.

But FYI, I've seen miracles happen, people who should have died and yet, recover with no issues. Baffles even doctors. Being alive and on this world is considered a miracle to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I guess we'll see when we die. If you're right, then I lose. But if I'm right, I win everything and you have nothing. It'll be too late then, but oh well, I guess.

And if you're both wrong, then both of you 'lose' (I didn't know this was a contest!) and some other religion 'wins' ... or no existing religion 'wins' because what is right has not even been fathomed by humans.