Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Leucrotta]

linaloki

Leucrotta

You've prayed about it? Honestly?

Well, then I'll be honest. I don't know what to say there. I am, after all, only a Christian of four years.

In that case, He must be showing us two different things.

I don't know why... I can't speak for Him...


And on the KJV subject, I hadn't heard that. I apologize.

Yes, I've prayed on it. And I may not be the greatest Christian in the world, but I try to follow His Word. It may help if you try to free yourself from the teachings of churches and immerse yourself in His Word, as I've attempted to do. Not to say I have been completely successful, but one day I hope to be.

And as for the KJV, I was under the same mistake long ago. Its bad rep comes from the Textus Receptus, if you wanna look that up.

I'm sorry, but Fellowship is important to me. I can't leave my church family. And on that note, some of the things they say I question as well. I'm no sheep. ;3

[linaloki]

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

I'm going to note here that you've said your Uncle lusted after men. Lust is a curable sin. Homosexuality is not curable in 99.6% of cases.

[Leucrotta]

linaloki

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

I'm going to note here that you've said your Uncle lusted after men. Lust is a curable sin. Homosexuality is not curable in 99.6% of cases.

Yes, well. There is still a .4 chance. Which means something...

[linaloki]

Leucrotta

linaloki

Leucrotta

You've prayed about it? Honestly?

Well, then I'll be honest. I don't know what to say there. I am, after all, only a Christian of four years.

In that case, He must be showing us two different things.

I don't know why... I can't speak for Him...


And on the KJV subject, I hadn't heard that. I apologize.

Yes, I've prayed on it. And I may not be the greatest Christian in the world, but I try to follow His Word. It may help if you try to free yourself from the teachings of churches and immerse yourself in His Word, as I've attempted to do. Not to say I have been completely successful, but one day I hope to be.

And as for the KJV, I was under the same mistake long ago. Its bad rep comes from the Textus Receptus, if you wanna look that up.

I'm sorry, but Fellowship is important to me. I can't leave my church family. And on that note, some of the things they say I question as well. I'm no sheep. ;3

Oh, I'm not saying abandon your church. I myself am a prominent member in my church at home. I'm a member of the choir, sound board technician, resident comedian, and college student. Many in the church talk about me becoming choir leader or preacher some day. >.<

Fellowship is good, and is endorsed by God. "Where two or more gather in My Name, there I shall be also." Just don't be a sheep, as you've mentioned. It's good to question everything for yourself.

[Leucrotta]

linaloki

Leucrotta

linaloki

Leucrotta

You've prayed about it? Honestly?

Well, then I'll be honest. I don't know what to say there. I am, after all, only a Christian of four years.

In that case, He must be showing us two different things.

I don't know why... I can't speak for Him...


And on the KJV subject, I hadn't heard that. I apologize.

Yes, I've prayed on it. And I may not be the greatest Christian in the world, but I try to follow His Word. It may help if you try to free yourself from the teachings of churches and immerse yourself in His Word, as I've attempted to do. Not to say I have been completely successful, but one day I hope to be.

And as for the KJV, I was under the same mistake long ago. Its bad rep comes from the Textus Receptus, if you wanna look that up.

I'm sorry, but Fellowship is important to me. I can't leave my church family. And on that note, some of the things they say I question as well. I'm no sheep. ;3

Oh, I'm not saying abandon your church. I myself am a prominent member in my church at home. I'm a member of the choir, sound board technician, resident comedian, and college student. Many in the church talk about me becoming choir leader or preacher some day. >.<

Fellowship is good, and is endorsed by God. "Where two or more gather in My Name, there I shall be also." Just don't be a sheep, as you've mentioned. It's good to question everything for yourself.

Heh. Belive me, I've had serious trust issues my whole life. But in church, with God, is the only thing I know I can trust fully at this point.

[linaloki]

Leucrotta

linaloki

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

I'm going to note here that you've said your Uncle lusted after men. Lust is a curable sin. Homosexuality is not curable in 99.6% of cases.

Yes, well. There is still a .4 chance. Which means something...

Actually, I made a mistake with that number, I think it's 99.96%... but anyways, yes. An extremely small number become cured. Typically what occurs in afterstudies is a show of mental distress... Or what often happens is that they were psychologically damaged to begin with and weren't really homosexual.

[Leucrotta]

Oh... and I looked at your list of 'homosexual animals'. I'm... not seeing any proof. I looked at some of the animals on there. I actually clicked into their specific pages. I'm not seeing any evidence of homosexual behavior. Granted, Wikipedia doesn't have all the knowledge in the world, but two things:

A list isn't convincing enough for me.

And the definition of 'homosexual tendencies' is up for debate.

[N3bu]

linaloki

Leucrotta

linaloki

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

I'm going to note here that you've said your Uncle lusted after men. Lust is a curable sin. Homosexuality is not curable in 99.6% of cases.

Yes, well. There is still a .4 chance. Which means something...

Actually, I made a mistake with that number, I think it's 99.96%... but anyways, yes. An extremely small number become cured. Typically what occurs in afterstudies is a show of mental distress... Or what often happens is that they were psychologically damaged to begin with and weren't really homosexual.

Or they have been phycologically damaged to the point of no longer being homosexual, for example being scared of it.

[Reinharted]

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

Homosexuality isn't a temptation, or a choice. And what Loki said about the lust part. Lust is completely different from Love.

What you Uncle is, is either lying to himself and everyone around him, or bisexual.

I can easily ******** a woman, and after the extreme projectile vomiting and eventually going limp without any thought on men, I'd still end up gay than straight, no matter how many times I ******** a woman, even if I successfully managed to have an orgasm by some miracle.

The real question is, should a homosexual lie to himself, others, and God? Or should he be who he is and feel at ease with himself and his religion and no longer have to lie to others?

Leucrotta

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

Which only encourages the depression, suicidal thoughts, despair, and hatred among those that have no ability to change what is absolutely natural to them. How can they change what is a part of the very core of their being? They can't. Sexuality is not a choice. It never was, and never has been.

[PoeticVengeance]

Leucrotta

Yilanti Maydow

Me: Wow, that was a long read. I'm actually glad to see people take such effort in these things. x3 I'm always pro-gay, no matter what, because it's such bullshit to think that they're not human. I've yet to meet an anti-gay who can actually give me a real reason homosexuals should not exist or live with us.

There are people who think they shouldn't exist? Yikes. That's going a bit too far.

And... alright, I'll post my opinion. Forgive mis-types due to shaky fingers, as I am not only agitated at present, I'm very cold. >___>;

The first thing that kinda ticked me off what how the thread maker seemed to think that they were the end-all be-all of Bible translations. (correct me if I'm mistaken) Now I'm sure they had a source, but I've never heard that the place in the New Testament saying that homosexuality is an abomination was 'mis-translated'. I think that's kind of a cop-out. If you're going to accept Christianity as your faith, then you have to accept ALL of it. Not just the parts you like. The Bible is AS IS. No 'let's just use THIS translation because it suits us better'.

Okay... that rant's over... I'll wait for feedback before continuing... if I can even recall waht I wanted to say next... >__>;

lemme ask you a question honey, do you think the original bible was written in English?

And are you aware of how different Hebrew and Koine Greek are from English? (Hebrew is the original language of the OT and Koine Greek is the original language of the NT)

When you translate a document between different languages, you will get mistakes.

Also, see that the KJV and NASB versions are different in many ways. Which one is right?

Obviously the closest one to the original translation.

[Leucrotta]

Reinharted

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

Homosexuality isn't a temptation, or a choice. And what Loki said about the lust part. Lust is completely different from Love.

What you Uncle is, is either lying to himself and everyone around him, or bisexual.

I can easily ******** a woman, and after the extreme projectile vomiting and eventually going limp without any thought on men, I'd still end up gay than straight, no matter how many times I ******** a woman, even if I successfully managed to have an orgasm by some miracle.

The real question is, should a homosexual lie to himself, others, and God? Or should he be who he is and feel at ease with himself and his religion and no longer have to lie to others?

Leucrotta

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

Which only encourages the depression, suicidal thoughts, despair, and hatred among those that have no ability to change what is absolutely natural to them. How can they change what is a part of the very core of their being? They can't. Sexuality is not a choice. It never was, and never has been.

I'd have to disagree as to it being a choice, so that makes this whole argument nil on me. And I can see that I'm not swaying the view on that topic. x__x;

[Reinharted]

Leucrotta

A list isn't convincing enough for me.

In that case, lets start linking!

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality#Homosexual_behavior
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6066606.stm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/145/2/478
http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html
http://www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Natural-Diversity/dp/0312192398

And that's what I've got so far. 3nodding Start reading now. wink

Leucrotta

And the definition of 'homosexual tendencies' is up for debate.

Read the wiki-linkie. razz

[N3bu]

Leucrotta

Reinharted

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

Homosexuality isn't a temptation, or a choice. And what Loki said about the lust part. Lust is completely different from Love.

What you Uncle is, is either lying to himself and everyone around him, or bisexual.

I can easily ******** a woman, and after the extreme projectile vomiting and eventually going limp without any thought on men, I'd still end up gay than straight, no matter how many times I ******** a woman, even if I successfully managed to have an orgasm by some miracle.

The real question is, should a homosexual lie to himself, others, and God? Or should he be who he is and feel at ease with himself and his religion and no longer have to lie to others?

Leucrotta

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

Which only encourages the depression, suicidal thoughts, despair, and hatred among those that have no ability to change what is absolutely natural to them. How can they change what is a part of the very core of their being? They can't. Sexuality is not a choice. It never was, and never has been.

I'd have to disagree as to it being a choice, so that makes this whole argument nil on me. And I can see that I'm not swaying the view on that topic. x__x;

Are you saying Homosexuality IS a choice or isnt?

[Reinharted]

Leucrotta

I'd have to disagree as to it being a choice, so that makes this whole argument nil on me. And I can see that I'm not swaying the view on that topic. x__x;

Denial of reality does not change reality. Homosexuality has never been a choice.

Homosexuality is Not a Choice
- APA on Sexuality
- Reuters: Gene Alters Sexuality of Fruit Flies
- Cell: Fruit Fly Experiment
- LiveScience: Gay Men and Straight Women's Brains

Sexuality and biology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/ap_050510_pheremones.html
http://www.genuinejeff.com/researchdata.htm
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web1/Rana.html
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html
Reuters: Gene Alters Sexuality of Fruit Flies
- Cell: Fruit Fly Experiment
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Lesbians and hormones

[Leucrotta]

ironman_mendez

Leucrotta

Reinharted

Leucrotta

For the first comment: My Uncle Johnny was a gay man. Everyone knew it. He lusted after men. However, once he became a Chirstian, he never did so again. He resisted. He won. So... I think it can happen... Everyone is born with temptations.

Homosexuality isn't a temptation, or a choice. And what Loki said about the lust part. Lust is completely different from Love.

What you Uncle is, is either lying to himself and everyone around him, or bisexual.

I can easily ******** a woman, and after the extreme projectile vomiting and eventually going limp without any thought on men, I'd still end up gay than straight, no matter how many times I ******** a woman, even if I successfully managed to have an orgasm by some miracle.

The real question is, should a homosexual lie to himself, others, and God? Or should he be who he is and feel at ease with himself and his religion and no longer have to lie to others?

Leucrotta

And to the second one, I'm not only loving certain people. I try and love everyone how God intends. I just don't love what sinners do, and wish they would change.

Which only encourages the depression, suicidal thoughts, despair, and hatred among those that have no ability to change what is absolutely natural to them. How can they change what is a part of the very core of their being? They can't. Sexuality is not a choice. It never was, and never has been.

I'd have to disagree as to it being a choice, so that makes this whole argument nil on me. And I can see that I'm not swaying the view on that topic. x__x;

Are you saying Homosexuality IS a choice or isnt?

I'm saying it is. I... though I made that clear. Oh well. >__>; Now I did.