Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Armas_Valdamir]

LOKI congrates but I think it's TO LONG lol my head hurts like hell now, but I am sorry to say I am still against. I am Catholic and I go with the pope and the catechism, but I love how you got all the facts man you're very informative.

[linaloki]

Armas_Valdamir

LOKI congrates but I think it's TO LONG lol my head hurts like hell now, but I am sorry to say I am still against. I am Catholic and I go with the pope and the catechism, but I love how you got all the facts man you're very informative.

I don't mean to offend, but have you considered perhaps that there are problems within the system of Catholicism? I'm merely curious.

[Marshal67]

Linaloki, you just made my day heart

Yay my thread was included!

But now this:

linaloki

Sin – Here’s a word some people use a tad liberally. A sin is simply a transgression against God and His Laws.

Put simply, anything against Gods nature.

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Cursing is not sinful, but cursing God is.

I agree wholeheartedly.

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Lashing out in anger is ALSO not sinful. Jesus Christ Himself did it on at least two occasions. Once in the Temple, and once on a road, striking a fig tree with withering plague.

Now this I do disagree with. "Do not anger" is something said in the NT, and it would violate the law of Agape. The problem with it is, no, anger is not sinful, as long as it is righteous. But is man righteous? No, we are not by Gods standards so thus can any anger we have be justified? Or would it be hypocrisy(also sinful) since we have our own problems we need to fix.

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Also, just because it is sinful does not mean it is horrendously wrong.

Wrong enough to piss God off wink

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Imagining someone in a sexually pleasing to you manner is lust, a sin. However, it is not a “great evil”.

This is assuming mans "levels" of good and evil. Didn't you say later in the thread that sins do not have levels(or something to the like). But you imply here there are levels.

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There is no sin that cannot be forgiven, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And that’s a Biblical fact.

True Dat.

[Armas_Valdamir]

linaloki

Armas_Valdamir

LOKI congrates but I think it's TO LONG lol my head hurts like hell now, but I am sorry to say I am still against. I am Catholic and I go with the pope and the catechism, but I love how you got all the facts man you're very informative.

I don't mean to offend, but have you considered perhaps that there are problems within the system of Catholicism? I'm merely curious.

Huh that is a very interesting question but I do look at it and see things that I am angry about for instance before the Pope, Benedict, said that all religions do have oppertunity to make it to eternal life, I was alway's made at my dad, a hard core Catholic who believes only we go to heaven, but now not so much, but of course still are some things, but I do very much believe that a church that's thrived for some 1,950 years is in my oppinion good, not saying that it's age is my only reason for being apart of it. I would show you the place in the Catechism where it says if you'd like?

[linaloki]

Armas_Valdamir

linaloki

Armas_Valdamir

LOKI congrates but I think it's TO LONG lol my head hurts like hell now, but I am sorry to say I am still against. I am Catholic and I go with the pope and the catechism, but I love how you got all the facts man you're very informative.

I don't mean to offend, but have you considered perhaps that there are problems within the system of Catholicism? I'm merely curious.

Huh that is a very interesting question but I do look at it and see things that I am angry about for instance before the Pope, Benedict, said that all religions do have oppertunity to make it to eternal life, I was alway's made at my dad, a hard core Catholic who believes only we go to heaven, but now not so much, but of course still are some things, but I do very much believe that a church that's thrived for some 1,950 years is in my oppinion good, not saying that it's age is my only reason for being apart of it. I would show you the place in the Catechism where it says if you'd like?

I would be interested in seeing the Catechism, but I will warn you: I was raised Catholic, and I find that most of what they do to be non-Biblical and wrong. The Indulgences, Purgatory and Limbo, Intercession, Required Baptism, and the Holy See's Infallibility. I can't understand, on the last bit, how one pope may say one thing and be correct, but the next pope can say he was wrong and still be correct.

[Armas_Valdamir]

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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Thats the verse of the Catechism, oh and the reason for many of those action's is tradition, it's what Peter or the deciples would do and what they believed, and we believe in Infallibility because Jesus said that Peter was his Rock and on that Rock he would build his church and the Jaws of Death would not penetrate it.....sorry I don't remember where that's located

and from the Catechism

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889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith." 417

[linaloki]

Armas_Valdamir

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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Thats the verse of the Catechism, oh and the reason for many of those action's is tradition, it's what Peter or the deciples would do and what they believed, and we believe in Infallibility because Jesus said that Peter was his Rock and on that Rock he would build his church and the Jaws of Death would not penetrate it.....sorry I don't remember where that's located

and from the Catechism

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889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith." 417

Well, within Catholicism's belief that all sex must be reproductive, yes. I can see where homosexual sex is wrong. However, the sexuality is not determined by the sexual activity. Also, as to the infallibility, Peter was the foundation. The Rock is impenetrable. The Church, however, has been self-admitedly corrupt many times.

[No No Raja]

I don't like the Catholic Church and have problems with what it preaches.

Then again, I also have probs with God. That analysis I did was using tactics I'd learned in English and old, OLD misplaced faith.

If it works for you, then that's good though, Valdamir. May you make it to heaven and find all you've wished for.

Regarding your cathecism, though...the "They do not proceed from...."

I love a girl. Yes, I am pansexual and prefer females. I love her more than life itself. I don't care if I never get to have sex with her, or relations or anything. She is the most wonderful thing that has ever happened to me. And for the Church to say all that is is lust...

Yee-ah, haha, no.

[Armas_Valdamir]

linaloki

Armas_Valdamir

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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Thats the verse of the Catechism, oh and the reason for many of those action's is tradition, it's what Peter or the deciples would do and what they believed, and we believe in Infallibility because Jesus said that Peter was his Rock and on that Rock he would build his church and the Jaws of Death would not penetrate it.....sorry I don't remember where that's located

and from the Catechism

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889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith." 417

Well, within Catholicism's belief that all sex must be reproductive, yes. I can see where homosexual sex is wrong. However, the sexuality is not determined by the sexual activity. Also, as to the infallibility, Peter was the foundation. The Rock is impenetrable. The Church, however, has been self-admitedly corrupt many times.

Well what I'm saying is there may be problems, small corruptions here and there but Jesus said he's building his church on Peter his rock so if the church I'm in is one Peter built and Jesus approved then I'm Game,lol, well I'm an understanding young man and I do see were you can come from with your point but on top of that I am 100% ((It took me like to minutes to find that key%%&#xlo;l)) for my faith and have put my life and trust into this one thing if it's wrong I'm just a wee bit screwed, but that's how I like to do things but my all into it, and to Saltski Circe, I'm not saying your a bad person and I do hope that you can find happiness in the path you've takin.

[Rookherst[KOS]]

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Now this I do disagree with. "Do not anger" is something said in the NT, and it would violate the law of Agape.

I disagree. It is Entirely possible to be angry and still love. My father Grows angry with me, but at no point does he stop loving me.

[linaloki]

Marshal67

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Imagining someone in a sexually pleasing to you manner is lust, a sin. However, it is not a “great evil”.

This is assuming mans "levels" of good and evil. Didn't you say later in the thread that sins do not have levels(or something to the like). But you imply here there are levels.

Yare, yare. I meant within human terms. I'm refering to the fact that when people say homosexuality is a sin, they think it's the worst thing someone could do besides kill.

[Marshal67]

Rookherst[KOS]

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Now this I do disagree with. "Do not anger" is something said in the NT, and it would violate the law of Agape.

I disagree. It is Entirely possible to be angry and still love. My father Grows angry with me, but at no point does he stop loving me.

But then you have the Christian aspect of being inherently sinful. Can we have righteous anger when we are commanded not to anger?

[Zawmbii]

I agree. Strongly.

[Marshal67]

linaloki

Yare, yare. I meant within human terms. I'm refering to the fact that when people say homosexuality is a sin, they think it's the worst thing someone could do besides kill.

W'ok. Just making sure ^^.

[Sound Doxa]

Rookherst[KOS]

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Now this I do disagree with. "Do not anger" is something said in the NT, and it would violate the law of Agape.

I disagree. It is Entirely possible to be angry and still love. My father Grows angry with me, but at no point does he stop loving me.

But what about Ephesians 4:31-32?
(I think that's the verse Marshal was referring to)
What do you make of that?