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Niagrah look..... The reason that Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because it is soooooooooooooooo against God!!!!! mad As a Christian, I'm going to hafta disagree with you. Do you have any proof for your claims? |
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linaloki Niagrah look..... The reason that Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because it is soooooooooooooooo against God!!!!! mad As a Christian, I'm going to hafta disagree with you. Do you have any proof for your claims? I sent a PM, she says that somewhere in the Bible YHVH says that marriage is heterosexual only. She never read the first posts. |
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This was very interesting to read. You're dead on about a lot of stuff (what hell is, Mary not dying a virgin, etc.) and I liked how much thought you put into your arguments and the direct quotes from the bible. One argument you might want to add about homosexuality, though, is simply that things change. For example, in the book of Acts when Peter is told that it is no longer unclean to eat pigs, it shows us that a lot of laws were there to protect the people, but when they were no longer needed, they were dropped. Homosexuality could be seen as one of these things. It may once have been considered unclean (ie. AIDS and such), but in the world we live in now there really are no health threats from it (I mean, think about all of the protection sources, sex ed classes, and other things we have nowadays). So, I guess you could use that as an agument when people mention that the bible outright condemns homosexuality. Also, as far as gay marriage goes, it seemes very un-Christian to keep two people from marrying, thus keeping them in sin (as in fornacation). Even if you think that something is a sin, it's no reason to force somebody into more sin.
With the Adam and Eve thing, I think the answer to it is that they had more children than just Cain and Abel (it mentions them having sisters, I know) and the "others" could also refer to angels. I could be wrong, but it's just the first thing that popped into my head when I read it). Anyway, I'm not sure if I got everything right here, but I just thought I'd add a little bit to the conversation. Oh, and once again, great arguments! ninja |
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linaloki Hayabashi 2 Yes, God did demand procreation. Very much so. Genesis 1:27-28 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." Right. He said be fruitful and increase in number. Know who He was talking to? The ENTIRE SPECIES. You'll note that Paul never had children, yet he was considered to be a devout man of God. The Prophets never had children, Moses never had kids... Every single person in the world did not need to have kids. Just the species of man. If celibacy was a sin, then Catholics would be bung hosed, and the infertile would be in hell. Ditto. God suggested that people be fruitful and fill the earth, but that does not mean that everyone has to. Besides, the earth is pretty filled by now (over six billion people and all those great statistics). As far as what you said about the people in the bible who didn't have children, you were right about Paul and the Prophets, but Moses actually was married and I believe he had two children (I can't remember their names right off hand). But, besides that, you're pretty much right. ninja |
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AWESOME POST!!! I couldn't agree more with EVERY SINGLE WORD (well. besides the hebrew translations that I didn't know about because i Dont know hebrew sweatdrop ) said in this thread.... now i got an eye ache from reading so much in such a long period of time pirate but i couldn't stop :Big:
I'm sorry I can't contribute, but you covered every single one of my thoughts!! Thank you ^____^ |
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Lord Setar linaloki Niagrah look..... The reason that Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because it is soooooooooooooooo against God!!!!! mad As a Christian, I'm going to hafta disagree with you. Do you have any proof for your claims? I sent a PM, she says that somewhere in the Bible YHVH says that marriage is heterosexual only. She never read the first posts. ...in other words, she's a total maroon. Great. Maybe I'll PM her, too. ^_^ |
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Thanks for posting, I look forward to reading more later when I have more time.
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Long story short... when it comes to homosexuallity. Love is love... |
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heart I love when I see heterosexuals defending homosexuality. :] Andd. I always knew the Bible said nothing truly against homosexuality. I never had access to a bible to quote tho, as I'm kind of the opposite of a Christian. Thank you for the great thread, and I've subscribed to refer to the quoted bits now and then until I get access to a real hard copy. heart heart heart heart |
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] .The. [ Dark ] .One. [ heart heart heart heart I love when I see heterosexuals defending homosexuality. :] Andd. I always knew the Bible said nothing truly against homosexuality. I never had access to a bible to quote tho, as I'm kind of the opposite of a Christian. Thank you for the great thread, and I've subscribed to refer to the quoted bits now and then until I get access to a real hard copy. heart heart heart heart You can also use biblegateway.com until then, which also has a nice little search feature to help you find passages regarding the subject you're referencing it for. |
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error[dot]exe ] .The. [ Dark ] .One. [ heart heart heart heart I love when I see heterosexuals defending homosexuality. :] Andd. I always knew the Bible said nothing truly against homosexuality. I never had access to a bible to quote tho, as I'm kind of the opposite of a Christian. Thank you for the great thread, and I've subscribed to refer to the quoted bits now and then until I get access to a real hard copy. heart heart heart heart You can also use biblegateway.com until then, which also has a nice little search feature to help you find passages regarding the subject you're referencing it for. Unless you're like Loki and completely forget what subject you're looking for. >.< |
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linaloki Lord Setar linaloki Niagrah look..... The reason that Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because it is soooooooooooooooo against God!!!!! mad As a Christian, I'm going to hafta disagree with you. Do you have any proof for your claims? I sent a PM, she says that somewhere in the Bible YHVH says that marriage is heterosexual only. She never read the first posts. ...in other words, she's a total maroon. Great. Maybe I'll PM her, too. ^_^ She cited Leviticus and Romans. I cited the first page of this thread. |
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heart Haha. Yeah. I tend to flip through to gather pure information. Then forget what bits my information was from. And so I do my best to keep track when I remember. I subscribed to this thread because it lists the parts. ^^; heart heart heart heart |
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linaloki First off, we need to define a few terms. These are terms that will help guide the path of this thread, as well as understand the differences between things. Christianity – Christianity is, typically, a belief in the teachings of Jesus the Christ. It is a belief that He is the Son of God and the Son of Man, Alpha and Omega, and the Messiah prophesied in the Holy Texts of the prophets. Belief in the resurrection of Christ, endowment of the Holy Spirit, and the Bible are also normally beliefs included in Christianity. Gnosticism – Gnosticism is a form of Christianity that, to be honest, I don’t have much of a clue about. However, it is to be noted that Gnostic Christianity is distinctly different from Established Christianity, that of the Church founded by the Apostle Paul. I merely want it to be known that we will not be discussing Gnosticism in this thread. For more on Gnosticism, look for the threads mentioned in the last post. Popular Christianity – We’ll note now that, yes, this one is a tad different from Christianity. Unfortunately, it’s also what nearly everyone claims or thinks is Christianity, and it’s been giving Christians a bad name for a while. Another name for this might be embellished Christianity. Basically, it is a faith in the Church or the Clergy, a faith that whatever they say on matters pertaining to the Bible and the Spirit. People that ascribe to this version of Christianity almost never have actually read the Bible, are unable to list the Ten Commandments, and are laden with other woes and ignorance that is found easily in the Scripture. It’s this type of Christianity that spawns so many problems and misconceptions, especially thanks to the Catholic Church and the Papacy being able to say whatever they wanted about the Bible and be infallible. Misconceptions that sprout from this PC include Hell, homosexuality is a sin, the Deadly Sins, etcetera. Those misconceptions spawned from this form of Christianity are what we’ll be covering. Sin – Here’s a word some people use a tad liberally. A sin is simply a transgression against God and His Laws. Cursing is not sinful, but cursing God is. Lashing out in anger is ALSO not sinful. Jesus Christ Himself did it on at least two occasions. Once in the Temple, and once on a road, striking a fig tree with withering plague. Also, just because it is sinful does not mean it is horrendously wrong. Imagining someone in a sexually pleasing to you manner is lust, a sin. However, it is not a “great evil”. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. And that’s a Biblical fact. These next posts will deal with common MAJOR misconceptions Christians have. cursing and swearing is a sin, in the bible a man cussed and someone heard him he was taken to the front of the camp of the hebrews and stoned to death. |
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Lord Setar linaloki Lord Setar linaloki Niagrah look..... The reason that Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because it is soooooooooooooooo against God!!!!! mad As a Christian, I'm going to hafta disagree with you. Do you have any proof for your claims? I sent a PM, she says that somewhere in the Bible YHVH says that marriage is heterosexual only. She never read the first posts. ...in other words, she's a total maroon. Great. Maybe I'll PM her, too. ^_^ She cited Leviticus and Romans. I cited the first page of this thread. heart Thankee. |
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