Homosexuality Is NOT A Sin: What Christ Said And More

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

SoundDoctrine

John Calvin

I'll deal with your post, later, PoeticVengeance.

Why did you edit out the more interesting response you previously typed out?

Because, I tried to pretend that everything was all right. But it's not. sad I've already read the arguments held by universalists. I begin to question myself, wondering if I should even agree with what they say. But, I cannot, because I have several issues with it. But, even if I had the will to send myself to heaven or hell, I'd probably send myself to hell, because I am a sinner, and in me is like a beast whom I cannot tame. I want to do this or that, yet my flesh urges me to do other things that I know I should not do. I'm a fool.

Edit: I still have a major problem with the word "hell" deriving from the mythological Hel, however. According too John Horne Tooke, the words, hell, heel, hill, hole, whole, hall, hull, halt, and hold derive from the same root. On a further note, the word "hell" had a similar meaning to sheol, which essentialliy meant, "unseen."

[PoeticVengeance]

John Calvin

Well, while I have said that I will, I am actually thinking over as to whether or not I want to. I really have not dealt much with the doctrine of hell as I have with the doctrine of the Trinity. So, I'm not sure, really.

No pressure from me. Quite honestly, I've kind of pulled us all into a tangent since the majority of this thread's topic orientates around homosexuality.

[linaloki]

PoeticVengeance

John Calvin

Well, while I have said that I will, I am actually thinking over as to whether or not I want to. I really have not dealt much with the doctrine of hell as I have with the doctrine of the Trinity. So, I'm not sure, really.

No pressure from me. Quite honestly, I've kind of pulled us all into a tangent since the majority of this thread's topic orientates around homosexuality.

Hell is still under debatable topics. This thread is about Christianity in its entirety. ^_^

[PoeticVengeance]

linaloki

PoeticVengeance

John Calvin

Well, while I have said that I will, I am actually thinking over as to whether or not I want to. I really have not dealt much with the doctrine of hell as I have with the doctrine of the Trinity. So, I'm not sure, really.

No pressure from me. Quite honestly, I've kind of pulled us all into a tangent since the majority of this thread's topic orientates around homosexuality.

Hell is still under debatable topics. This thread is about Christianity in its entirety. ^_^

SWEET.

I always get yelled at for tangents because I tend to get a little ADD, so its nice to know that I've actually stayed on topic for once in my life.

^^

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

John Calvin

Edit: I still have a major problem with the word "hell" deriving from the mythological Hel, however. According too John Horne Tooke, the words, hell, heel, hill, hole, whole, hall, hull, halt, and hold derive from the same root. On a further note, the word "hell" had a similar meaning to sheol, which essentialliy meant, "unseen."

In that sense the original usage of helheim is similar. Whether it is derived from Hel or not, it is still from a word meaning hidden.

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PoeticVengeance

linaloki

PoeticVengeance

John Calvin

Well, while I have said that I will, I am actually thinking over as to whether or not I want to. I really have not dealt much with the doctrine of hell as I have with the doctrine of the Trinity. So, I'm not sure, really.

No pressure from me. Quite honestly, I've kind of pulled us all into a tangent since the majority of this thread's topic orientates around homosexuality.

Hell is still under debatable topics. This thread is about Christianity in its entirety. ^_^

SWEET.

I always get yelled at for tangents because I tend to get a little ADD, so its nice to know that I've actually stayed on topic for once in my life.

^^

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[Pseudo-Onkelos]

Elf Lord Chiewn

In that sense the original usage of helheim is similar. Whether it is derived from Hel or not, it is still from a word meaning hidden.

Which is fine by me! wink When I begin to write up a treatise on hell after writing a treatise on the Trinity, I'll be sure to point out the meaning. mrgreen

[JumpingJebediah]

linaloki

Kaskade Khaos

linaloki

Kaskade Khaos

Lol, that was hilarious. Mature huh? All I said was God allowed them to eat animals as they learned to cook and kill the diseases inside the animals. Does that need back up, or common sense?

No. You said, and I quote...

Kaskade Khaos

Alright, you look for little mistakes and make a large deal out of it. First off, PLEASE DON'T READ THE CATHOLIC BIBLE! It's antichrist. Demons trick you that way! Read the Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible.

P.S. I looked in those scriptures, you changed some of the words, let me research it for myself.

You accused me of altering God's Word in favor of the Jehova's Witness Bible.

I said, provide verses.

And you start acting like an idiot.

Hm...

Yes that's mature, call me an idiot. Usually people insult when they know they are wrong. Who is the idiot? YOu can't look at the watchtower online? I provided it. Why don't you do a few clicks and you MIGHT find it. I don't know though, you might not be able to do it. A few click away on google must be so difficult.

I said you were acting like an idiot. If you have to be an idiot to do so, then you're an idiot.

And as I've said before, I don't like people making claims that I'm incorrect and then making me look it up. You have sources? Post them. You have something you disagree with? Say it. All I've heard from you is that Catholic Bibles are the tools of Satan, JW Bibles are the greatest Bible out there, I alter God's Word, and that you agree with me about Peter's dream in Acts.

I have yet to see you lay out proof that I've altered God's Word. And this is the ED, you post your evidence. You don't make someone else look it up for you.

And, as a side note, I've been to the Watchtower website. Not impressed. Nor have I found anything that says I'm wrong, dispite how often people have tried to quote from it.

Lol.... you still don't get it...


If you do not get it this time, there is no hope for you.


Here we go, nice and slow...

Ready?

You made a comment about animals suddenly being clean and about how ridiculous it is. God allowed them to eat certain animals, because people learned to cook and kill the bacteria in the animals. Now, please give me your reply to that. I want your thoughts. Think you can do it?

[Denzyz]

Kaskade Khaos

[-insert unneeded and idiotic condescending comments here-]

You made a comment about animals suddenly being clean and about how ridiculous it is. God allowed them to eat certain animals, because people learned to cook and kill the bacteria in the animals. Now, please give me your reply to that. I want your thoughts. Think you can do it?

Ok, I've an idea here. Cite the exact verse where god allowed people to start eating certain animals. Then, find out what time period that verse was written. My guess is, it will be waaaaaaaaaaay back in history. And y'know what? Actually cooking your food to kill bacteria is a relatively new thing. I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what bacterii were back then.

It makes more sense to say that god suddenly declared the foods 'clean' than it does to say that ancient people learned how to properly cook food to kill off bacterii and germs, to ward off disease/food poisoning.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

Kaskade Khaos

You made a comment about animals suddenly being clean and about how ridiculous it is. God allowed them to eat certain animals, because people learned to cook and kill the bacteria in the animals. Now, please give me your reply to that. I want your thoughts. Think you can do it?

Pretty sure they had fire back then.

Teh Bible (NASB)

Exodus 12:8 'They shall eat the flesh (A)that same night, (B)roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with (C)unleavened bread (D)and bitter herbs.

Things like refrigeration and proper curing, not so much. Depending on the diet of such animals and the environment, there may have been other considerations as well, if we do presume that such rules were based entirely on health. Eating lots of fish from San Francisco Bay would be a bad idea today. In another thousand years it might not be.

[Elf Lord Chiewn]

John Calvin

Elf Lord Chiewn

In that sense the original usage of helheim is similar. Whether it is derived from Hel or not, it is still from a word meaning hidden.

Which is fine by me! wink When I begin to write up a treatise on hell after writing a treatise on the Trinity, I'll be sure to point out the meaning. mrgreen

Sounds good to me.

[linaloki]

Kaskade Khaos

Lol.... you still don't get it...


If you do not get it this time, there is no hope for you.


Here we go, nice and slow...

Ready?

You made a comment about animals suddenly being clean and about how ridiculous it is. God allowed them to eat certain animals, because people learned to cook and kill the bacteria in the animals. Now, please give me your reply to that. I want your thoughts. Think you can do it?

You're failing at not being a moron and hypocrite.

I already said I agree with that. When I said, "Look! They're clean!" I was referring to the fact that the animals were considered unclean in Leviticus, and then in Acts, God said, "Call nothing I create unclean." This is most likely due to the fact that they could prepare things properly at that point.

You still haven't shown me where I've altered the Word of God.

[Marshal67]

Denzyz

Kaskade Khaos

[-insert unneeded and idiotic condescending comments here-]

You made a comment about animals suddenly being clean and about how ridiculous it is. God allowed them to eat certain animals, because people learned to cook and kill the bacteria in the animals. Now, please give me your reply to that. I want your thoughts. Think you can do it?

Ok, I've an idea here. Cite the exact verse where god allowed people to start eating certain animals. Then, find out what time period that verse was written. My guess is, it will be waaaaaaaaaaay back in history. And y'know what? Actually cooking your food to kill bacteria is a relatively new thing. I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what bacterii were back then.

It makes more sense to say that god suddenly declared the foods 'clean' than it does to say that ancient people learned how to properly cook food to kill off bacterii and germs, to ward off disease/food poisoning.

Acts 11:8-9

You asked, and now you have it.

But now, to clear things up...why were things considered unclean? Because the things could not be cooked properly, and could have had bacterian in it and hurt the people. Now, did they know this was why they were "unclean", probably not. But once things advanced enough(remember the people given these commandments were nomads) they became clean, mainly because of they could cook it, and they wouldn't well...die.

[Denzyz]

Marshal67

Denzyz

Kaskade Khaos

[-insert unneeded and idiotic condescending comments here-]

You made a comment about animals suddenly being clean and about how ridiculous it is. God allowed them to eat certain animals, because people learned to cook and kill the bacteria in the animals. Now, please give me your reply to that. I want your thoughts. Think you can do it?

Ok, I've an idea here. Cite the exact verse where god allowed people to start eating certain animals. Then, find out what time period that verse was written. My guess is, it will be waaaaaaaaaaay back in history. And y'know what? Actually cooking your food to kill bacteria is a relatively new thing. I'm pretty sure they didn't even know what bacterii were back then.

It makes more sense to say that god suddenly declared the foods 'clean' than it does to say that ancient people learned how to properly cook food to kill off bacterii and germs, to ward off disease/food poisoning.

Acts 11:8-9

You asked, and now you have it.

But now, to clear things up...why were things considered unclean? Because the things could not be cooked properly, and could have had bacterian in it and hurt the people. Now, did they know this was why they were "unclean", probably not. But once things advanced enough(remember the people given these commandments were nomads) they became clean, mainly because of they could cook it, and they wouldn't well...die.

In which case...god didn't make them clean.The people did.*frown* how does that work out? All of a sudden they're clean, because he said it?
Does the biblemake any mention of them learning how to properly clean/prepare/cook the food in question?

And thanks for the link.