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Denzyz
Gah! *shudders* Did you have to mention her? I can't stand that...there isn't a bad enough insult for her. I read one of her books(my dad reads them and thinks they're the best.*gag* and he leaves them lying all over the house) and I swear I nearly set the thing on fire.
There is no sin thats evil enough to be punished byh aving to listen to Ann Coulter. None. Not even if they figured out how to bring Jesus back and killed him again.


Woah! Now THAT'S and interesting thought...what if we somehow found some DNA fragments from Jesus and cloned him? ...And why am I reminded of Jurassic Park now? gonk


Wow..think of it. Y'know those lil bits of woods people say are splinters off the cross Jesus was crucified on? What if they were all gathered together, examined, and there was blood on one or some? They could take the blood, and clone Jesus...

But if its like Jurassic Park..wouldn't he change his sex? Imagine..Jesus with breasts... burning_eyes
Denzyz
Wow..think of it. Y'know those lil bits of woods people say are splinters off the cross Jesus was crucified on? What if they were all gathered together, examined, and there was blood on one or some? They could take the blood, and clone Jesus...

But if its like Jurassic Park..wouldn't he change his sex? Imagine..Jesus with breasts... burning_eyes


Jesus can't be a woman! It's blasphemey as women are weaker in all forms, even faith! That's why you need to lock them up in the house to prevent them from becoming witches. 3nodding
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John Calvin
PoeticVengeance
Unlikely. All go to paradise after purification, unless they choose not to enter.


Scripture, please? And have you dealt with what I've said previously?

Polynomika
Do you think that could be considered as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?


Oh, for the life of me! rolleyes


Y'know... I actually wonder myself what exactly Blaspheming the Spirit is... My Protestant backgrounds always said the only unforgivable sin is not accepting Christ's gift... If Christ's gift is the Spirit, is not accepting the Spirit the blasphemy?
I'm homosexual and I am also a christian, many people say that this can not be but it is. I love God and I enjoy spending time reading his word and singing his praise. I walk the line. My step mother (a devout christian) Hates the fact that I am gay. she often says that I am Sinning and satan is going to keep draging me down if I keep letting him. But I personaly dont beleive I have done any wrong.

God says come as you are, you who are weiry and heavey laden with burdens. I was and I came and I have walked with God. I still am gay, I was born gay, and through out the corse of my 17 years of life(the past 6 as a Homosexual, and of them only out of the so called closet, for the past 4 years.) I have had to strugle with hate and homophobic behavior from alot of people including my family.

I hope to one day find peace with my family, I know I have found peace with God.
Reinharted
Denzyz
Wow..think of it. Y'know those lil bits of woods people say are splinters off the cross Jesus was crucified on? What if they were all gathered together, examined, and there was blood on one or some? They could take the blood, and clone Jesus...

But if its like Jurassic Park..wouldn't he change his sex? Imagine..Jesus with breasts... burning_eyes


Jesus can't be a woman! It's blasphemey as women are weaker in all forms, even faith! That's why you need to lock them up in the house to prevent them from becoming witches. 3nodding


I'd make a scathing comment about that but theres this goat I need to finish sacrificing so I can read the future out of its entrails.
Or whatever it is witches do. smile

I also read this one verse...I tried looking it up but the bookmark fell out of the pages,, so I can't find it anymore. crying Anyways, ti was about how women haev to cover their heads during prayer, or while in church.
Then theres the ones about how 'no woman shall have power/authority over any man.' Or something like that... man now I feel the need to go look those up again.
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linaloki
John Calvin
PoeticVengeance
Unlikely. All go to paradise after purification, unless they choose not to enter.


Scripture, please? And have you dealt with what I've said previously?

Polynomika
Do you think that could be considered as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?


Oh, for the life of me! rolleyes


Y'know... I actually wonder myself what exactly Blaspheming the Spirit is... My Protestant backgrounds always said the only unforgivable sin is not accepting Christ's gift... If Christ's gift is the Spirit, is not accepting the Spirit the blasphemy?


If rejecting the gift of the Spirit was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, then those who rejected it before, would never be able to accept it thereafter. In other words, say that Stephen rejected the Good News of God. Does this mean that he rejected the gift? If you say yes, then Stephen can never be forgiven. However, I would disagree. For what if another preacher came along later in Stephen's life, and he then believed? It is the act of the Spirit who regenerates the the sinner.

There are those who say that because the believer's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, that to do something wrong with one's body, that this means that they've committed the unpardonable sin. However, this does not work, because Jesus said nothing of that when He spoke to the Pharisees. And still, others say that to murder someone is to commit the unpardonable sin, since the Spirit gives life, and to take life away from someone is to take God's position in taking life. I find neither of these acceptable.

So, what is the unpardonable sin? I believe that by rereading the passage where Jesus was speaking with the Pharisees would give us an idea. The Pharisees said that Jesus' power did not come from the Spirit, but from Satan. Though Jesus had given His testimony, and had supported what He said by His miracles, the Pharisees still rejected these things. I suppose in a sense, one can say that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is likened to denying the gift. However, that was not what the Pharisees were doing. I believe that if one were to commit this sin, they would have to actually be aware, instead of acting in ignorance. I am not saying that ignorance is equivalent to innocence. But what I am saying is that the Pharisees knew who Jesus was, yet denied the source of His miracles and attributed it falsely to someone else. So Isaiah the prophet was right when he said, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter" (Isa. 5:20).
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Well, I meant rejecting it and then dying. Or not accepting it prior to death.

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But that's a really good explination. 3nodding
linaloki
Well, I meant rejecting it and then dying. Or not accepting it prior to death.

...

But that's a really good explination. 3nodding
dude you rock heart
linaloki
John Calvin
PoeticVengeance
Unlikely. All go to paradise after purification, unless they choose not to enter.


Scripture, please? And have you dealt with what I've said previously?

Polynomika
Do you think that could be considered as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?


Oh, for the life of me! rolleyes


Y'know... I actually wonder myself what exactly Blaspheming the Spirit is... My Protestant backgrounds always said the only unforgivable sin is not accepting Christ's gift... If Christ's gift is the Spirit, is not accepting the Spirit the blasphemy?

I'd say pretty much.
My church puts it in this way:
LCMS.org

Edited by: Erwin L. Lueker, Luther Poellot, Paul Jackson
©Concordia Publishing House, 2000, All rights Reserved. Reproduced with Permission


Sin, The Unpardonable.

1. Cf. Is 22:14; Mt 12:31; Mk 3:29; Lk 12:10; Heb 6:4–6; 1 Jn 5:16. The sin against the Holy Spirit, or the unpardonable sin, involves conscious, stubborn, malicious opposition to divine truth once recognized as such and blasphemous hostility against it. J. Gerhard (Loci theologici, Locus XI: “De peccatis actualibus,” par. 109) defines it: “intentional denial of evangelical truth (which [truth] was acknowledged and approved by conscience) connected with a bold attack on [this truth] and voluntary blasphemy [of it].” J. A. Quenstedt* (Theologia didactico-polemica, ch. 2, section 1, thesis 104) has a similar definition.

The stubborn and malicious opposition, which is the essence of the unpardonable sin, may be further distinguished as follows: (1) Some have internally experienced the truth, given their assent to it, and outwardly confessed it, but have set themselves against it; all apostates belong to this class, to which Heb 6:4 applies. (2) Others have not outwardly confessed it but inwardly assented to it, yet obstinately and wickedly oppose it; to this class belong the scribes and Pharisees, who opposed Christ's teaching but were convinced by His works that He was true God and revealed divine truths.

Though Peter denied Christ and the truth and Paul was a reviler, blasphemer, and persecutor of divine truth before his conversion, they are not to be classed with those who commit the sin against the Holy Spirit; Peter transgressed hastily, through fear of men, and Paul did so through ignorance (1 Ti 1:13).

2. The unpardonable sin is called the sin against the Holy Spirit not with reference to the person of the Holy Spirit (who has no precedence over Father or Son) but to His office, in that He reveals and testifies to the heavenly truths. It is conscious resistance to the special work of the Holy Spirit, who calls, enlightens (Eph 1:17–1 cool , converts, renews (Eph 1:19; Tts 3:5) and sanctifies man (1 Co 6:11; Eph 4:30; 2 Th 2:13).

3. This sin is unpardonable, not because of any unwillingness in God, or because His mercy and Christ's merits are not great enough, but because of the condition of him who commits it: he continues to the end (the action of his sin is linear, rather than punctiliar) in obdurate rejection of the Word of God, divine grace and mercy, and Christ's merits; cf. 1 Jn 5:16. Augustine of Hippo calls it final impenitence. One who does not repent does not receive forgiveness; cf. Rv 2:22.
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I'll deal with your post, later, PoeticVengeance.
John Calvin
I'll deal with your post, later, PoeticVengeance.

Why did you edit out the more interesting response you previously typed out?
John Calvin
PoeticVengeance
Unlikely. All go to paradise after purification, unless they choose not to enter.


Scripture, please?


I'll have to search for it.

*regrets leaving her Bible at home*

Quote:

Edit: So, you did deal with what I posted.


Of course I did.

I always respond eventually. Things have been busy lately with school, so I was slightly delayed.
John Calvin
I'll deal with your post, later, PoeticVengeance.


Fair enough.

I'll wait patiently.

^^
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Well, while I have said that I will, I am actually thinking over as to whether or not I want to. I really have not dealt much with the doctrine of hell as I have with the doctrine of the Trinity. So, I'm not sure, really.

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