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Actually, dropping the "beating a dead horse" picture is designed to incite a reation,


Yeah...?

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which is trolling,


Uh, no. Just because you don't like what someone has to say doesn't mean they are trolling.
You need to read Gaia's definition of trolling. It's either in the ToS or Rules and Guidelines. This has nothing to do with what I "like," I actually liked the picture because it made a reference to Office Space.

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It wasn't either of those.
 
     

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Because someone's bound to want to look at it.
     
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Gather round, children.

So a lot of us know that Hell doesn't make sense. But why don't many question Heaven? I think it makes even less sense. See, when you die, as a Christian, if you were a Good person you go to Heaven, with everyone else who was Good. You all gather there, to pretty much do exactly what you did here on Earth: live. They call it the "afterlife," you go about your everlasting day in a perfect world.


Wrong Hell does exist and that is where people go that don't trust Christ as their personal savior.

Wrong again, being good does not get you into heaven

Romans 3 (KJV)
10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Only belief in Jesus Christ gets you to heaven

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See, Heaven does not take place on a planet. It takes place in a magic universe where whatever you want is yours. Also, everyone exists in Heaven together. But what if someone wanted to be alone? Would that mean everyone else would cease to exists? When the desires of two people in Heaven conflict with each other, what happens? There would be no compromise, as Heaven grants your every last desire.


Wrong again

Revelations 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

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You are no longer bound by physical laws, but you take the form of a body anyway, but a perfect one. You can eat all the food you want, or choose not to. But no one explains if you can be kicked out of Heaven. With your perfect body, you might want to have sex, with about 13 women, with your 13 dicks... Would that be your ticket to Hell from the afterlife?


Who said you were no longer bound by physical laws? Except for not dying laws still apply...

Wrong again Revelations 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

It would be painful to be kick from heaven

I have no idea where you got 13 women from, but there won't be sex in heaven it won't be needed.

Luke 20
34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.


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If everyone in Heaven gets what they want, there is no way they can all live in harmony. And there is no doubt in my mind that people, even Good Christians, will have sinful desires. Heaven doesn't say "no" to anything, so would you simply not be part of the Kool Kidz Klub anymore, and be banished an eternity of suffering? God DAMN you for having sinful desires.


Wrong no more pain or suffering

Wrong all sin washed away

God's last name is not "D it."

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It makes me think that eventually everyone would make it to Hell. An eternity gives you plenty of time to sin. So what's the point of Heaven anyway? It's completely conditional.


Heaven is the exscape from Hell and Hell is not a good place to be... lake that burns with fire and brimstone forever.

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Well, then people say that once you reach Heaven, you'll be enlightened and no longer have any sinful desires. But out the other side of their mouth they'll tell me they'll be the "same person." They're trying to imply that they've never had sinful desires, but then they ALSO say that sin is human nature, because of what Adam and Eve did. The contradictions are astounding.


You got something right

Wrong again

Nope that's wrong I'm a sinful human being, that is right sin is human nature, right again

What contradictions?

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In short, a lot of EDers know that Chrstianity doesn't make any ******** sense. But I know there are Christian debaters (dare I say oxymoron?).

So.

WTFUXUPW/ Heaven?


In short Christianity makes a lot of sense, but I know they're atheist debaters sooo.
 
     
 
Im_the_real_Crystal

Wrong Hell does exist and that is where people go that don't trust Christ as their personal savior.

I've never really appreciated the 'God is a merciless dictator' version of things.
     

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Actually, dropping the "beating a dead horse" picture is designed to incite a reation,


Yeah...?

Quote:
which is trolling,


Uh, no. Just because you don't like what someone has to say doesn't mean they are trolling.
You need to read Gaia's definition of trolling. It's either in the ToS or Rules and Guidelines. This has nothing to do with what I "like," I actually liked the picture because it made a reference to Office Space.

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No Trolling: Posting material that is inflammatory or intended solely to offend or provoke other members is called 'trolling', and is not permitted.


It wasn't either of those.
It absolutely was both, given the context.

But if you deny that, then you admit you reported me for no reason.
 
     
 
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You're assuming a person can't exist in more than one place.
No, I'm not. That's what I've been TOLD by Christians. They say they retain themselves and their consciousness as it is today. That means they can't have multiple selves in multiple realms. And to make a "perfect" family member would require changing fundamental parts of their personality, which also conflicts with the claim that we remain intact.


It doesn't mean that at all. Use some imagination, think outside the small box you shape your universe as.
Don't ******** tell me what small box you think I'm in. I understand the concept. It does not, however, work with how people describe their "contained" consciousness.


Xianity isn't containable.
I didn't say that. I said contained consciousness.
     
Im_the_real_Crystal
Romans 3 (KJV)
10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


Yeah, quote-mining really helps you when you're trying to completely miss the point.

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Wrong again

Revelations 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


That didn't describe heaven. That described New Jerusalem. It even said that New Jerusalem came out of heaven. How the hell could New Jerusalem by heaven if it's coming out of heaven? It's bad enough to suggest that a city could come out of nowhere, and now you're suggesting that it could come out of itself?
 
     
 
I wouldn't want to go to heaven even if it does exist. It sounds like a place for the laziest of the lazy. Plus, I like when Heat Miser rapes me, and I'm sure he's risk his position in heaven to keep doing so. Right? *dangerous tone*
     
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Im_the_real_Crystal
Wrong Hell does exist and that is where people go that don't trust Christ as their personal savior.

I've never really appreciated the 'God is a merciless dictator' version of things.

God is a merciless dictator.
America fights with merciless dictators.
World War Three, Drill Sargeant!
 
     
 
Omorose Panya
I wouldn't want to go to heaven even if it does exist. It sounds like a place for the laziest of the lazy. Plus, I like when Heat Miser rapes me, and I'm sure he's risk his position in heaven to keep doing so. Right? *dangerous tone*


You should probably stop drinking so much, because whoever was raping you sure as hell wasn't me.
     
Im_the_real_Crystal
Only belief in Jesus Christ gets you to heaven
So sinners can go to Heaven, as long as they believe in Christ?

Im_the_real_Crystal
Syndactyly
See, Heaven does not take place on a planet. It takes place in a magic universe where whatever you want is yours. Also, everyone exists in Heaven together. But what if someone wanted to be alone? Would that mean everyone else would cease to exists? When the desires of two people in Heaven conflict with each other, what happens? There would be no compromise, as Heaven grants your every last desire.


Wrong again

Revelations 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
So heaven exists on Earth? After we're dead? Because these things obviously haven't happened yet. Will we resurrect from the dead like Jesus?

Im_the_real_Crystal
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You are no longer bound by physical laws, but you take the form of a body anyway, but a perfect one. You can eat all the food you want, or choose not to. But no one explains if you can be kicked out of Heaven. With your perfect body, you might want to have sex, with about 13 women, with your 13 dicks... Would that be your ticket to Hell from the afterlife?


Who said you were no longer bound by physical laws? Except for not dying laws still apply...
A lot of people say this. They never quote the Bible though. So I'm left confused.

Im_the_real_Crystal
Wrong again Revelations 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

It would be painful to be kick from heaven
So once you're in Heaven, you're set?

Im_the_real_Crystal
I have no idea where you got 13 women from, but there won't be sex in heaven it won't be needed.
I thought people got whatever their heart desired in Heaven. Even Christians have sex for pleasure.

Im_the_real_Crystal
Luke 20
34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
So people will come back as zombies here on Earth? Heaven is "in progress" waiting to happen here on Earth? Where do the souls go while they wait?

Im_the_real_Crystal
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If everyone in Heaven gets what they want, there is no way they can all live in harmony. And there is no doubt in my mind that people, even Good Christians, will have sinful desires. Heaven doesn't say "no" to anything, so would you simply not be part of the Kool Kidz Klub anymore, and be banished an eternity of suffering? God DAMN you for having sinful desires.


Wrong no more pain or suffering

Wrong all sin washed away

God's last name is not "D it."
So people no longer sin? Does that mean they no longer can sin? Is the free will lost once you die?

I never said God's last name was "damn." Damn is a verb. He shall damn the sinful people, right? Send them to Hell? Banish them for eternity?

Im_the_real_Crystal
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It makes me think that eventually everyone would make it to Hell. An eternity gives you plenty of time to sin. So what's the point of Heaven anyway? It's completely conditional.


Heaven is the exscape from Hell and Hell is not a good place to be... lake that burns with fire and brimstone forever.
So once you're in Heaven, you're safe?

Im_the_real_Crystal
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Well, then people say that once you reach Heaven, you'll be enlightened and no longer have any sinful desires. But out the other side of their mouth they'll tell me they'll be the "same person." They're trying to imply that they've never had sinful desires, but then they ALSO say that sin is human nature, because of what Adam and Eve did. The contradictions are astounding.


You got something right

Wrong again

Nope that's wrong I'm a sinful human being, that is right sin is human nature, right again

What contradictions?
Explain why it's wrong that people won't be the "same person."

So once we die, we're no longer human?

There's a lot of contradiction, I think I've explained quite a few of them.

Im_the_real_Crystal
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In short, a lot of EDers know that Chrstianity doesn't make any ******** sense. But I know there are Christian debaters (dare I say oxymoron?).

So.

WTFUXUPW/ Heaven?


In short Christianity makes a lot of sense, but I know they're atheist debaters sooo.
I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense, I have a lot of questions.
 
     
 
The Great Heat Miser
You should probably stop drinking so much, because whoever was raping you sure as hell wasn't me.

I don't like drinking :
     
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Wrong again

Revelations 21
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


That didn't describe heaven. That described New Jerusalem. It even said that New Jerusalem came out of heaven. How the hell could New Jerusalem by heaven if it's coming out of heaven? It's bad enough to suggest that a city could come out of nowhere, and now you're suggesting that it could come out of itself?
I totally missed that. I have a hard time reading psuedo Old English.
 
     
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The Great Heat Miser
That didn't describe heaven. That described New Jerusalem. It even said that New Jerusalem came out of heaven. How the hell could New Jerusalem by heaven if it's coming out of heaven? It's bad enough to suggest that a city could come out of nowhere, and now you're suggesting that it could come out of itself?


I think you're getting heaven confused. It's easy to do, you see they're three heavens right now.
1. The atmosphere above Earth
2. Space
3. Where the angles are.
When Christ comes back then only the first two will exist and the new Earth will be "heaven"
     
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The Great Heat Miser
You should probably stop drinking so much, because whoever was raping you sure as hell wasn't me.

I don't like drinking :

Then how come you lactate tequila and hennessy?
 
     
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