[ Poll ] Growing Up Mormon

Mormons are:

Lovely people and it makes no difference what they have done in the past.		32.4%	[ 22 ]
Under the influence of their indoctrination and therefore are not to be blamed for their actions.		33.8%	[ 23 ]
I believe you and this is shocking.		33.8%	[ 23 ]

Total Votes: 68

[HelloNoora]

Ms Ragnarok

I didn't vote on your poll.
I know a variety of Mormons, all effected differently by their religion.
No, not all Mormons are lovely people. (But the ones I keep close are heart )
No, almost everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
No, this isn't shocking. Tons of distasteful things have happened before and been attached to a religion. Mormonism is no exception. (Also, it's not shocking since something has to be mentioned on it every ******** year.)

You cannot keep a Mormon "close" without becoming a Mormon yourself.

[Yoshpet]

HelloNoora

Ms Ragnarok

I didn't vote on your poll.
I know a variety of Mormons, all effected differently by their religion.
No, not all Mormons are lovely people. (But the ones I keep close are heart )
No, almost everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
No, this isn't shocking. Tons of distasteful things have happened before and been attached to a religion. Mormonism is no exception. (Also, it's not shocking since something has to be mentioned on it every ******** year.)

You cannot keep a Mormon "close" without becoming a Mormon yourself.

How do you figure? Some kind of religious shunning? Obviously not by the Mormons she knows.

[Dhyana]

HelloNoora

Dhyana

What's with the hatred toward modern mormons, Noora?
It seems entirely unwarranted. neutral

I do not hate Mormons. I hate their religion. All Mormons are modern. Joseph Smith's doctrines are modernism of the 19th century.

You know very well that I meant modern in the laymen sense, ie contemporary or "of or pertaining to present and recent time; not ancient or remote".

Your hatred of of their religion does not need to extend to attacks on their person. If you really hate just their religion, how about coming up with some logical and reasonable arguments against what they believe now as opposed to persisting in your ad hom attacks on them and their past beliefs--to which they now disavow.

EDIT:

Also, mormonism hardly falls in line with Modernism. Mormonism emphasizes the community wheras Modernism emphasizes the individual.

[HelloNoora]

Yoshpet

HelloNoora

Ms Ragnarok

I didn't vote on your poll.
I know a variety of Mormons, all effected differently by their religion.
No, not all Mormons are lovely people. (But the ones I keep close are heart )
No, almost everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
No, this isn't shocking. Tons of distasteful things have happened before and been attached to a religion. Mormonism is no exception. (Also, it's not shocking since something has to be mentioned on it every ******** year.)

You cannot keep a Mormon "close" without becoming a Mormon yourself.

How do you figure? Some kind of religious shunning? Obviously not by the Mormons she knows.

If the person is a practicing Mormon, one who is observant of their religion and practices, it will be an inconvenience to them to keep a non-member friend close to them. They may be fond, but not close.

Otherwise if the person is a non-practicing Mormon, they might have a friendship. The moment that the non-practicing Mormon reactivates, there will be a huge strain on the friendship. The pressure that Mormons place on non-Mormons to become interested in their religion is also a strain to most people who have to deal with that as a constant.

[HelloNoora]

Dhyana

HelloNoora

Dhyana

What's with the hatred toward modern mormons, Noora?
It seems entirely unwarranted. neutral

I do not hate Mormons. I hate their religion. All Mormons are modern. Joseph Smith's doctrines are modernism of the 19th century.

You know very well that I meant modern in the laymen sense, ie contemporary or "of or pertaining to present and recent time; not ancient or remote".

Your hatred of of their religion does not need to extend to attacks on their person. If you really hate just their religion, how about coming up with some logical and reasonable arguments against what they believe now as opposed to persisting in your ad hom attacks on them and their past beliefs--to which they now disavow.

Their belief in misrepresenting themselves is a problem.

[Ania the Anarchist]

Mormons are the nicest people I know....I'm just saying...

[Dhyana]

HelloNoora

Dhyana

HelloNoora

Dhyana

What's with the hatred toward modern mormons, Noora?
It seems entirely unwarranted. neutral

I do not hate Mormons. I hate their religion. All Mormons are modern. Joseph Smith's doctrines are modernism of the 19th century.

You know very well that I meant modern in the laymen sense, ie contemporary or "of or pertaining to present and recent time; not ancient or remote".

Your hatred of of their religion does not need to extend to attacks on their person. If you really hate just their religion, how about coming up with some logical and reasonable arguments against what they believe now as opposed to persisting in your ad hom attacks on them and their past beliefs--to which they now disavow.

Their belief in misrepresenting themselves is a problem.

That isn't an argument, it's a conclusory statement.

[HelloNoora]

Ania the Anarchist

Mormons are the nicest people I know....I'm just saying...

We are taught explicitly to be nice. Also, not forgiving someone is never an option unless they betray Mormon expectations. Then all hell breaks loose.

[Bouidicca]

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Ania the Anarchist

Mormons are the nicest people I know....I'm just saying...

We are taught explicitly to be nice. Also, not forgiving someone is never an option unless they betray Mormon expectations. Then all hell breaks loose.

Yup, excommunication - as was my gay friend's fear. Another friend of the family was disfellowshipped because she chose to live with someone outside of marriage.

[HelloNoora]

Dhyana

HelloNoora

Dhyana

HelloNoora

Dhyana

What's with the hatred toward modern mormons, Noora?
It seems entirely unwarranted. neutral

I do not hate Mormons. I hate their religion. All Mormons are modern. Joseph Smith's doctrines are modernism of the 19th century.

You know very well that I meant modern in the laymen sense, ie contemporary or "of or pertaining to present and recent time; not ancient or remote".

Your hatred of of their religion does not need to extend to attacks on their person. If you really hate just their religion, how about coming up with some logical and reasonable arguments against what they believe now as opposed to persisting in your ad hom attacks on them and their past beliefs--to which they now disavow.

Their belief in misrepresenting themselves is a problem.

That isn't an argument, it's a conclusory statement.

I do not hate Mormons, I hate Mormonism. One of the chief aspects of Mormonism that I hate is that they misrepresent their religion. The "wink wink" we know what we are doing understanding while getting around something, while pretending to comply is ever present. It began with polygamy and continues to the present with their unorthodox political practices even today.

[HelloNoora]

Bouidicca

HelloNoora

Ania the Anarchist

Mormons are the nicest people I know....I'm just saying...

We are taught explicitly to be nice. Also, not forgiving someone is never an option unless they betray Mormon expectations. Then all hell breaks loose.

Yup, excommunication - as was my gay friend's fear. Another friend of the family was disfellowshipped because she chose to live with someone outside of marriage.

Excommunication in Mormonism is like shunning. In Catholicism, an excommunicated person is still expected at Mass, they just do not received Holy Communion until they are back in communio with the faith.

One of the first LDS AIDS victims was excommunicated before he died. Also the Mormon guy who murdered Matthew Shepard was excommunicated AFTER he was convicted of the murder. Not before. Murder is an unforgiveable sin in Mormonism except by Blood Atonement meaning that you must give your own life to atone for it and in a bloody manner such as firing squad.

[Dhyana]

HelloNoora

Bouidicca

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Ania the Anarchist

Mormons are the nicest people I know....I'm just saying...

We are taught explicitly to be nice. Also, not forgiving someone is never an option unless they betray Mormon expectations. Then all hell breaks loose.

Yup, excommunication - as was my gay friend's fear. Another friend of the family was disfellowshipped because she chose to live with someone outside of marriage.

Excommunication in Mormonism is like shunning. In Catholicism, an excommunicated person is still expected at Mass, they just do not received Holy Communion until they are back in communio with the faith.

One of the first LDS AIDS victims was excommunicated before he died. Also the Mormon guy who murdered Matthew Shepard was excommunicated AFTER he was convicted of the murder. Not before. Murder is an unforgiveable sin in Mormonism except by Blood Atonement meaning that you must give your own life to atone for it and in a bloody manner such as firing squad.

So...it's bad that Mormons follow one of the quintesential American tenants ( innocent until proven guilty)?

[HelloNoora]

Dhyana

HelloNoora

Bouidicca

HelloNoora

Ania the Anarchist

Mormons are the nicest people I know....I'm just saying...

We are taught explicitly to be nice. Also, not forgiving someone is never an option unless they betray Mormon expectations. Then all hell breaks loose.

Yup, excommunication - as was my gay friend's fear. Another friend of the family was disfellowshipped because she chose to live with someone outside of marriage.

Excommunication in Mormonism is like shunning. In Catholicism, an excommunicated person is still expected at Mass, they just do not received Holy Communion until they are back in communio with the faith.

One of the first LDS AIDS victims was excommunicated before he died. Also the Mormon guy who murdered Matthew Shepard was excommunicated AFTER he was convicted of the murder. Not before. Murder is an unforgiveable sin in Mormonism except by Blood Atonement meaning that you must give your own life to atone for it and in a bloody manner such as firing squad.

So...it's bad that Mormons follow one of the quintesential American tenants ( innocent until proven guilty)?

I cannot approve of excommunicating someone when they are at their lowest point. That he was proven guilty by a jury of his peers does not seem relevant to his spiritual needs.

In fact the whole idea that murder is unforgivable is atrocious. Exhiling people at their lowest points is a most unfortunate kind of theology for an enlightened era.

[HelloNoora]

I think the point to excommunicate him was when he was spouting the "hates fags" ideology. However Boyd K. Packer has taught us to resist homosexuals with all of our might, which for this sad sack meant beating one to death.

[HelloNoora]

Dhyana, I see what you feel. You believe that I am narrow minded and that you are good to be open to other people.

I am not closed to people, my dear. However after decades of experience I have learned to shut down to Mormons and for a good reason: their ideology and habits.