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It's hard to believe that otherwise reasonable people believe this bullshit.
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*Sighs* There are times that I wish that people would stop trying to throw the same old crap back in our faces. I have heard a lot of different things such as: We believe that we can become gods, Joseph Smith was a prophet, we have twelve apostles (I've had people argue with me about the definition of the word "Apostle", I wanted to smack the guy because he was wasting our time.) and such like that. Please come up with something new that makes me look into and study, more fully, my religion. Otherwise I'm just going to get bored.
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Crazy Steve Baggins It's hard to believe that otherwise reasonable people believe this bullshit. It is difficult to believe that you are still crucifying President Bush. |
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tsureboru1 *Sighs* There are times that I wish that people would stop trying to throw the same old crap back in our faces. I have heard a lot of different things such as: We believe that we can become gods, Joseph Smith was a prophet, we have twelve apostles (I've had people argue with me about the definition of the word "Apostle", I wanted to smack the guy because he was wasting our time.) and such like that. Please come up with something new that makes me look into and study, more fully, my religion. Otherwise I'm just going to get bored. Apostles mean "those who are sent." This can be verified by checking into Latin. |
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HelloNoora Kaosgirl fatal_GRACE The_Broken_Angel_Of_Time Before Prop. 8, I had no problems with Mormons. They could do whatever they wanted as long as I didn't have to see it or hear about it. But, after all of the Prop. 8 stuff, I've learned to hate them with a firey passion. Well, most of them anyway. I've never met a good one, since I live in the middle of no where, but I know that not all of them supported Prop. 8. I disagree. Also, some Adventists. fatal_GRACE Sweetpea - men can be priests and have spiritual authority, but women cannot. I guess it's a bit of misogyny left over from the polygamy days. Course, they're hardly unique among judeo-christian religious groups on that account either. Mormons have the possibility of changing their stance on female priesthoood. Priesthood in Mormonism is not like Catholic Priesthood, whose primary function is saying Mass followed by hearing confession. And justifying celibacy, in a social culture that otherwise views lack of children as either a tragedy or personal failure (and sometimes both.) |
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Takurai Dawnstrider I also take offense that you don't have any poll answers that state Mormons are okay people and the religon is alright. Pick any Mormon from a crowd, and tell me they are a bad person. Glenn Beck. Or my first girlfriend, back when I was in denial. I won't name her, but.. *trauma* Takurai Dawnstrider Hell, they're better then any other person you could find. Er... yeah, no. |
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fatal_GRACE DJ-Anarchy Honestly, I still can't understand WHY there is a Mormon religion still. I mean, back in the day when news of events wouldn't spread past the town limits, sure. But nowadays, we know about the origins of the group, as well as a lot of info on their founder. And you would think, that with a batshit crazy obvious conman aspect of it would make people go "Ha! 'Golden Tablets' in America? Indians are really Jews? Black are cursed by God? Jesus is going to return in America? It's okay to hump a multitude of underage chicks as long as we call them wives? ******** YOU JOHN SMITH! I'm out...where's my Playstation?" @ Kaosgirl - there are exceptions to every rule. Perhaps I should have clarified by saying 'mainstream' religions. I find it highly unlikely that the mormon church has had a larger impact on gay marriage than the catholic church, which is larger, more widely respected, and equally conservative. I'm not too fond of the Catholic church either. |
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Kaosgirl HelloNoora Kaosgirl fatal_GRACE The_Broken_Angel_Of_Time Before Prop. 8, I had no problems with Mormons. They could do whatever they wanted as long as I didn't have to see it or hear about it. But, after all of the Prop. 8 stuff, I've learned to hate them with a firey passion. Well, most of them anyway. I've never met a good one, since I live in the middle of no where, but I know that not all of them supported Prop. 8. I disagree. Also, some Adventists. fatal_GRACE Sweetpea - men can be priests and have spiritual authority, but women cannot. I guess it's a bit of misogyny left over from the polygamy days. Course, they're hardly unique among judeo-christian religious groups on that account either. Mormons have the possibility of changing their stance on female priesthoood. Priesthood in Mormonism is not like Catholic Priesthood, whose primary function is saying Mass followed by hearing confession. And justifying celibacy, in a social culture that otherwise views lack of children as either a tragedy or personal failure (and sometimes both.) Make a thread if you wish to discuss/debate the unmarried status of Catholic Priests. At first I thought you were referring to Mormons. Catholics are not required to marry or to have children in order to be valued. The issue is only rejecting the possibility of life when living in in the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony. |
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Kaosgirl fatal_GRACE DJ-Anarchy Honestly, I still can't understand WHY there is a Mormon religion still. I mean, back in the day when news of events wouldn't spread past the town limits, sure. But nowadays, we know about the origins of the group, as well as a lot of info on their founder. And you would think, that with a batshit crazy obvious conman aspect of it would make people go "Ha! 'Golden Tablets' in America? Indians are really Jews? Black are cursed by God? Jesus is going to return in America? It's okay to hump a multitude of underage chicks as long as we call them wives? ******** YOU JOHN SMITH! I'm out...where's my Playstation?" @ Kaosgirl - there are exceptions to every rule. Perhaps I should have clarified by saying 'mainstream' religions. I find it highly unlikely that the mormon church has had a larger impact on gay marriage than the catholic church, which is larger, more widely respected, and equally conservative. I'm not too fond of the Catholic church either. Our personal preferences have little bearing in the facts of this matter. |
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I really don't care for coming onto the ED threads because I really dislike debating, but a topic came up that I wanted to research came up and so I came here. But instead found this one. So I've decided to give my two bits and in no way shape or form am I trying to get into anyone's face about their opinions.
I myself, am a born and bred Mormon. My father is an extremely religious man and a regular person many of you'd find "annoying". He's the one that 'll invite you to church or other church functions or just try to have a conversation with you about it. And so, you have the hard headed Mormon. Then there is myself. After years of seeing some of the hypocritical practices in the church for too long, I'll tell you know, I have my own views and I'll share these with you. We're taught "love one another as Jesus loves you". Well, I can tell you after moving 4 times in my lifetime, going to 4 different churches, I can tell you MANY of these people don't practice it. One thing me and a few of my family members have seen are cliques. Cliques with no way of getting in. Go to a church function and the majority of the time they won't bother you. I can recall going to camp with my sister but since she's younger, she had to stay at a different area of the camp. I had to go to her camp site a couple nights to calm her down because she was so upset. The other girls from our ward wouldn't have anything to do with her. And when the leaders scolded them for leaving her out, they invited her to join them but that very quickly turned around. My other sister had to drive down to pick her up to take her home finally, and all the mean while, the leaders kinda shoved the subject around. I can tell you that was one experience that enraged me about the church. And there were many other experiences like this. Not just ones with my sister or the youth, but with adults as well. With experiences like this, it's made me question the church. While I can't just yet turn away completely from the church, I know where I stand and nothing can change that. Me and my family are NOT perfect nor do we try to make ourselves out to be. My older sister had a baby outside of marriage and while she's had a few looks here and there from the members, you can also find some of the most down to earth people there as well. A woman who is a good friend of our family, didn't treat my sister any different than if she were just a good friend outside the church. The same goes for others as well. And to be honest, I find the whole baptism at the age 8 very stupid. At age 8, we don't even know what smoking, cursing, sex, etc. really means. So getting"cleaned" at such a young age seems very far fetched. And if God is so loving and good, I can't understand why he'd put us here with so many problems, open to these "sins" if he would just toss us aside or separate us from all of the "pure" people. It just seems too cruel. But honestly, it seems to me too many people generalize Mormons and their beliefs. And I know this was went over but caffeine isn't strictly forbidden. My family drinks Coke all the time. And while we're taught not to drink coffee, tea, liquor, gamble, smoke, and many other thing... I can say I've done several of these at least once. Because it's MY choice and I believe I have the right to it, even as a Mormon. If I get persecuted for trying these and realizing my own mistakes like I should be as a human, not because a book tells me, then I'll brush off my hands. Now I still hold some of my beliefs but I honestly think that comes not just religiously but politically as well. I don't believe in abortion, I'm straight, etc. However, have had very dear friends in my lifetime that contradict my beliefs or religion. I've had bi, gay, lesbian, druggies, alcoholics, gamblers, catholic, aethiest... and I can tell you right now that not once nor will I EVER try to change them or put my beliefs on them. I'll say no if I'm pressured into something I'm not interested in and we'll have discussions if they come up, but I have a firm belief in respecting everyone and their beliefs. Anyone that tries to do that, no matter their religion, sexuality, race, etc., I think, is wrong. But wow, I think this was long enough... Hope this pretty much clarifies my view and feel free to ask questions or comment. heart Edit: It's about 4:30 here. I'll peek into this topic tomorrow morning since I need my sleep for work.... gonk |
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Kiridesu I really don't care for coming onto the ED threads because I really dislike debating, but a topic came up that I wanted to research came up and so I came here. But instead found this one. So I've decided to give my two bits and in no way shape or form am I trying to get into anyone's face about their opinions. I myself, am a born and bred Mormon. My father is an extremely religious man and a regular person many of you'd find "annoying". He's the one that 'll invite you to church or other church functions or just try to have a conversation with you about it. And so, you have the hard headed Mormon. Then there is myself. After years of seeing some of the hypocritical practices in the church for too long, I'll tell you know, I have my own views and I'll share these with you. We're taught "love one another as Jesus loves you". Well, I can tell you after moving 4 times in my lifetime, going to 4 different churches, I can tell you MANY of these people don't practice it. One thing me and a few of my family members have seen are cliques. Cliques with no way of getting in. Go to a church function and the majority of the time they won't bother you. I can recall going to camp with my sister but since she's younger, she had to stay at a different area of the camp. I had to go to her camp site a couple nights to calm her down because she was so upset. The other girls from our ward wouldn't have anything to do with her. And when the leaders scolded them for leaving her out, they invited her to join them but that very quickly turned around. My other sister had to drive down to pick her up to take her home finally, and all the mean while, the leaders kinda shoved the subject around. I can tell you that was one experience that enraged me about the church. And there were many other experiences like this. Not just ones with my sister or the youth, but with adults as well. With experiences like this, it's made me question the church. While I can't just yet turn away completely from the church, I know where I stand and nothing can change that. Me and my family are NOT perfect nor do we try to make ourselves out to be. My older sister had a baby outside of marriage and while she's had a few looks here and there from the members, you can also find some of the most down to earth people there as well. A woman who is a good friend of our family, didn't treat my sister any different than if she were just a good friend outside the church. The same goes for others as well. And to be honest, I find the whole baptism at the age 8 very stupid. At age 8, we don't even know what smoking, cursing, sex, etc. really means. So getting"cleaned" at such a young age seems very far fetched. And if God is so loving and good, I can't understand why he'd put us here with so many problems, open to these "sins" if he would just toss us aside or separate us from all of the "pure" people. It just seems too cruel. But honestly, it seems to me too many people generalize Mormons and their beliefs. And I know this was went over but caffeine isn't strictly forbidden. My family drinks Coke all the time. And while we're taught not to drink coffee, tea, liquor, gamble, smoke, and many other thing... I can say I've done several of these at least once. Because it's MY choice and I believe I have the right to it, even as a Mormon. If I get persecuted for trying these and realizing my own mistakes like I should be as a human, not because a book tells me, then I'll brush off my hands. Now I still hold some of my beliefs but I honestly think that comes not just religiously but politically as well. I don't believe in abortion, I'm straight, etc. However, have had very dear friends in my lifetime that contradict my beliefs or religion. I've had bi, gay, lesbian, druggies, alcoholics, gamblers, catholic, aethiest... and I can tell you right now that not once nor will I EVER try to change them or put my beliefs on them. I'll say no if I'm pressured into something I'm not interested in and we'll have discussions if they come up, but I have a firm belief in respecting everyone and their beliefs. Anyone that tries to do that, no matter their religion, sexuality, race, etc., I think, is wrong. But wow, I think this was long enough... Hope this pretty much clarifies my view and feel free to ask questions or comment. heart Edit: It's about 4:30 here. I'll peek into this topic tomorrow morning since I need my sleep for work.... gonk To the bolded above, I too have been a part of those Mormon camps. Part of the problem is that the counselors are not trained and tend to be volunteers from throughout the Stake hosting the camp. They simply do not know how to facilitate group comraderies and might even exacerbate problems via their own prejuduces. With regard to trying things against the church such as experimentation breaking the Word of Wisdom. although Mormons do tend to "keep score" on sins and demand perfection, on the other hand they do tend to stress the scripture, "all things work for good to those who love and serve the Lord." This means that the sins you commit can actually help to strengthen you if you do manage to find your way back. |
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HelloNoora To the bolded above, I too have been a part of those Mormon camps. Part of the problem is that the counselors are not trained and tend to be volunteers from throughout the Stake hosting the camp. They simply do not know how to facilitate group comraderies and might even exacerbate problems via their own prejuduces. This is true, though I do believe they have their own handbooks etc. Though it probably doesn't cover things such as these. And then agian, it's expected of them. Even if their not train, you'd think they'd have the common sense, even if it's not their own prejudices, to know what's wrong. But either way, I think there should be training to cover problems like these. These problems occur not only in the church but in real life and tend to cause problems to a few of these kids psyches. It's a problem that should be obvious to all of them. HelloNoora With regard to trying things against the church such as experimentation breaking the Word of Wisdom. although Mormons do tend to "keep score" on sins and demand perfection, on the other hand they do tend to stress the scripture, "all things work for good to those who love and serve the Lord." This means that the sins you commit can actually help to strengthen you if you do manage to find your way back. This is true and as long as you "repent" in the end, you're forgiven. But if there's a sin that you've tried to clean your hands of too many times, I think I understand your repentance becomes harder or more invaluable. And depending on the sin and if it is shared with others, such as my sister having a baby, you'll always have the people that will see you as a sinner and judge you for that. |
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Hepzeba Kaosgirl HelloNoora Kaosgirl fatal_GRACE I am very displeased with the Mormon anti-gay initiatives and stuff, but they are really no worse than any other judaeo-christian religious group in that regard. I disagree. Also, some Adventists. fatal_GRACE Sweetpea - men can be priests and have spiritual authority, but women cannot. I guess it's a bit of misogyny left over from the polygamy days. Course, they're hardly unique among judeo-christian religious groups on that account either. Mormons have the possibility of changing their stance on female priesthoood. Priesthood in Mormonism is not like Catholic Priesthood, whose primary function is saying Mass followed by hearing confession. And justifying celibacy, in a social culture that otherwise views lack of children as either a tragedy or personal failure (and sometimes both.) Make a thread if you wish to discuss/debate the unmarried status of Catholic Priests. At first I thought you were referring to Mormons. Catholics are not required to marry or to have children in order to be valued. I didn't say they were required. I said that Catholics generally view those not "blessed" with children as either tragic or failures, unless they happen to be priests. Or nuns, I suppose. |
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Hepzeba Kaosgirl fatal_GRACE DJ-Anarchy Honestly, I still can't understand WHY there is a Mormon religion still. I mean, back in the day when news of events wouldn't spread past the town limits, sure. But nowadays, we know about the origins of the group, as well as a lot of info on their founder. And you would think, that with a batshit crazy obvious conman aspect of it would make people go "Ha! 'Golden Tablets' in America? Indians are really Jews? Black are cursed by God? Jesus is going to return in America? It's okay to hump a multitude of underage chicks as long as we call them wives? ******** YOU JOHN SMITH! I'm out...where's my Playstation?" @ Kaosgirl - there are exceptions to every rule. Perhaps I should have clarified by saying 'mainstream' religions. I find it highly unlikely that the mormon church has had a larger impact on gay marriage than the catholic church, which is larger, more widely respected, and equally conservative. I'm not too fond of the Catholic church either. Our personal preferences have little bearing in the facts of this matter. The question was implied, I answered. |
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