[ Poll ] Growing Up Mormon

Mormons are:

Lovely people and it makes no difference what they have done in the past.		32.4%	[ 22 ]
Under the influence of their indoctrination and therefore are not to be blamed for their actions.		33.8%	[ 23 ]
I believe you and this is shocking.		33.8%	[ 23 ]

Total Votes: 68

[Loshi Deneb]

HelloNoora

Loshi Deneb

Do you have a discussion point, or are we all just going to go "Yup, Mormons are dumb" and move on?

When someone is a member of a group such as this, how important is this to us in our overall picture of them? Does being Mormon, for example, in anyway discredit an otherwise decent person such as Senator Orrin Hatch, Sen. Mitch Romney or entertainer Glenn Beck?

Personally speaking (which is all any of us can do, obv.), I do my best to not let preconceived ideas regarding an individual sully my opinion of them. At least until I get to know them. I'm not going to meet someone new and go "Oh, you're MORMON!? Gtfo.". Same as I wouldn't distrust someone for being a race or sexual preference other than my own. Of course, this boils down to how strongly we let prejudice affect us.

Beck is an idiot because he's Glenn Beck. 'Nuff said.

[HelloNoora]

improper

HelloNoora

improper

Did you ever go to temple? From what I've read about it it's extremely weird, though all the Mormon's I've known say they aren't "temple worthy".

Most of what happens in the Temple is now public knowledge. I did not go to the temple because that is something young people do if 1. They are part of a group her are going to Baptise for the Dead. My mother would never give permission for that because she had a bad experience when she was a girl. 2. When a woman is going on an LDS Mission, which is much more rare for females than males or 3. When she is there to be sealed to her LDS husband.

Oh, ok. Your Mother made a good choice on not giving permission for that. I can't imagine a baptism of the dead being pleasant for a child.

Except for the fact that the Baptismal Font is rather grand being made of marble and held up by 12 golden oxen. blaugh The thing is that the spirit of the deceased is supposed to be present if not actually occupying your body during the baptisms. Usually what happens is that they do multi-dunkings in which they read off a name and "dunk" read off a name and "dunk read off and name and "dunk" ... and on like that.

[HelloNoora]

Loshi Deneb

HelloNoora

Loshi Deneb

Do you have a discussion point, or are we all just going to go "Yup, Mormons are dumb" and move on?

When someone is a member of a group such as this, how important is this to us in our overall picture of them? Does being Mormon, for example, in anyway discredit an otherwise decent person such as Senator Orrin Hatch, Sen. Mitch Romney or entertainer Glenn Beck?

Personally speaking (which is all any of us can do, obv.), I do my best to not let preconceived ideas regarding an individual sully my opinion of them. At least until I get to know them. I'm not going to meet someone new and go "Oh, you're MORMON!? Gtfo.". Same as I wouldn't distrust someone for being a race or sexual preference other than my own. Of course, this boils down to how strongly we let prejudice affect us.

Beck is an idiot because he's Glenn Beck. 'Nuff said.

Mormonism is an ideology not a race or sexual preference which is out of someone's control.

[Lithomancer]

HelloNoora

Loshi Deneb

HelloNoora

Loshi Deneb

Do you have a discussion point, or are we all just going to go "Yup, Mormons are dumb" and move on?

When someone is a member of a group such as this, how important is this to us in our overall picture of them? Does being Mormon, for example, in anyway discredit an otherwise decent person such as Senator Orrin Hatch, Sen. Mitch Romney or entertainer Glenn Beck?

Personally speaking (which is all any of us can do, obv.), I do my best to not let preconceived ideas regarding an individual sully my opinion of them. At least until I get to know them. I'm not going to meet someone new and go "Oh, you're MORMON!? Gtfo.". Same as I wouldn't distrust someone for being a race or sexual preference other than my own. Of course, this boils down to how strongly we let prejudice affect us.

Beck is an idiot because he's Glenn Beck. 'Nuff said.

Mormonism is an ideology not a race or sexual preference which is out of someone's control.

Right. That's why sacrilege is okay, but not racism.

[HelloNoora]

Lithomancer

HelloNoora

Loshi Deneb

HelloNoora

Loshi Deneb

Do you have a discussion point, or are we all just going to go "Yup, Mormons are dumb" and move on?

When someone is a member of a group such as this, how important is this to us in our overall picture of them? Does being Mormon, for example, in anyway discredit an otherwise decent person such as Senator Orrin Hatch, Sen. Mitch Romney or entertainer Glenn Beck?

Personally speaking (which is all any of us can do, obv.), I do my best to not let preconceived ideas regarding an individual sully my opinion of them. At least until I get to know them. I'm not going to meet someone new and go "Oh, you're MORMON!? Gtfo.". Same as I wouldn't distrust someone for being a race or sexual preference other than my own. Of course, this boils down to how strongly we let prejudice affect us.

Beck is an idiot because he's Glenn Beck. 'Nuff said.

Mormonism is an ideology not a race or sexual preference which is out of someone's control.

Right. That's why sacrilege is okay, but not racism.

I try to avoid sacrilege of others religions such as Islam. I attempt to learn as much as possibly when I am company in a Muslim home or traveling in a Muslim country, if you see what I mean.

I suppose by revealing the problems growing up Mormon I am enraging some die hard fans of Mormonism. However, think how outrageous it is to be raised with so many fabrications and dissembling as the fabric begins to unravel with the exposure of truth?

[Syndactyly]

Glenn Beck... otherwise decent?

[What Happened To LSD]

HelloNoora

The Mountain Meadow Massacre by Brigham Young, LDS prophet and namesake of BYU, LDS University. WHAT IT ACTUALLY WAS

When I was a young lady of 15 I attended an LDS Summer Camp in the Uintas. On this occasion, our camp leader took us to a clearing in the mountains and told us that this was the place where the Mountain Meadow Massacre had occurred. She warned us not to believe any stories that we heard about the Mountain Meadow Massacre from outsiders or enemies of the church and that now she would reveal to us the real story of what happened.

According to the camp leader, a middle aged woman who should have known better, the "real story" was that a group of pioneers were warned by scouts that a party of "savages" were on their way to their camp. Because the war party out numbered the men with rifles and because these Indians were especially known for their savagry, it was decided that all adults would kill their youngest children immediately so that they would not fall into the hands of the vile savages. Then each man, woman and child of the age of reason, took a loaded gun into their hands, they forrmed a circle, and upon the signal shot the person next to them. The reason was to avoid capture and torture by the Indians.

This of course a huge fabrication, but it is exemplary of the many types of the pernicious fabrications and outright vicious falsehoods which Mormons typically peddle.

When someone is a member of a group such as this, how important is this to us in our overall picture of them? Does being Mormon, for example, in anyway discredit an otherwise decent person such as Senator Orrin Hatch, Sen. Mitch Romney or entertainer Glenn Beck?

To me it greatly increases my ability to take them serious especially when they say things like, "Question Everything." I don't see Glenn Beck really questioning his religion at all.

If you are indoctrinated into a certain faith that has destructive values, I can't blame you for your beliefs, but I can't trust trust you to make sound minded political decisions either. When people have strong faith, they usually end up holding that faith as a way to base their political viewpoints.

In the case of Glenn Beck by the way, he joined Mormonism on his own as an adult. He may have been crazy before that, but im not quite positive, because I was not following him before he converted.

[HelloNoora]

Syndactyly

Glenn Beck... otherwise decent?

Trying to give the benefit of the doubt. sweatdrop

[HelloNoora]

Whatever happened to LSD

If you are indoctrinated into a certain faith that has destructive values, I can't blame you for your beliefs, but I can't trust trust you to make sound minded political decisions either. When people have strong faith, they usually end up holding that faith as a way to base their political viewpoints.

In the case of Glenn Beck by the way, he joined Mormonism on his own as an adult. He may have been crazy before that, but im not quite positive, because I was not following him before he converted.

Wow, yeah I just read on the other thread that he is an adult convert. I don't know how an adult with a mind can fall into that trap.

[What Happened To LSD]

HelloNoora

Whatever happened to LSD

If you are indoctrinated into a certain faith that has destructive values, I can't blame you for your beliefs, but I can't trust trust you to make sound minded political decisions either. When people have strong faith, they usually end up holding that faith as a way to base their political viewpoints.

In the case of Glenn Beck by the way, he joined Mormonism on his own as an adult. He may have been crazy before that, but im not quite positive, because I was not following him before he converted.

Wow, yeah I just read on the other thread that he is an adult convert. I don't know how an adult with a mind can fall into that trap.

Well, previous to that, he was an alcoholic going through a divorce.

Growing up Mormon, you must have seen how Mormons do a good job at picking up wayward and hurt people and deconstructing their common sense. It's the same tactic that Jehova's Witness and Evangelicals use. I am reading a book that outlines how they do this right now actually. It's called "American Fascists; The Christian Right and the War on America"

It's kind of an opinion based book, but there is a pretty good chapter on how radical religious groups get converts.

[Ms Ragnarok]

I didn't vote on your poll.
I know a variety of Mormons, all effected differently by their religion.
No, not all Mormons are lovely people. (But the ones I keep close are heart )
No, almost everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
No, this isn't shocking. Tons of distasteful things have happened before and been attached to a religion. Mormonism is no exception. (Also, it's not shocking since something has to be mentioned on it every ******** year.)

[Bouidicca]

As a teenager, one of my best male friends was Mormon. He lived with his aunt and uncle and their kids. They were a nice family, however, the more I learned about Mormonism, the more I was turned off by it. I attended church with them, went through the missionaries' talks, even attended a conference. I also traveled down to D.C. to see the temple there (it's not hard to miss, it's a monstrous building). Before I got turned off, I did actually go through baptism and even received a blessing (I may still have it in a box somewhere as they gave me a transcript). As I learned more about the doctrine, I questioned big time the then beliefs that blacks were descendents of Cain (I didn't see one black member during that time either), the fact that I was told Joseph Smith sits at the side of God, and even saw a presentation regarding the "alien aspects." It was never hidden that Smith was a polygamist and that polygamy ended with the main church because of Young's "vision." I knew that was purely due to pressure from the government regarding that. And I know the FLDS broke off because they didn't agree with the "vision." I learned about the special undergarments, too. The big kicker for me was when I was told that if I married in the temple, my family could not go in, but would have to sit in the lobby and wait. The other kicker was being pushed to have my dead ancestors "baptized." I was thinking WTF!!! My friend's family did follow the no caffeine, no alcohol belief. My friend was a closeted gay. I know his family never found out (he passed away a little over 3 years ago). I know he was probably terrified of being excommunicated for being gay.

I was rotten with the Elders there on their mission. Knowing they couldn't be closer than arm's length to me, I would chase them around the house - scared the crap out of them *evil chuckle*.

I don't like the religion at all. I'm glad to identify myself as a Quaker.

As for Romney - meh, Hatch - meh, and Beck is just a joke. He was indoctrinated well.

[Dhyana]

What's with the hatred toward modern mormons, Noora?
It seems entirely unwarranted. neutral

[HelloNoora]

Dhyana

What's with the hatred toward modern mormons, Noora?
It seems entirely unwarranted. neutral

I do not hate Mormons. I hate their religion. All Mormons are modern. Joseph Smith's doctrines are modernism of the 19th century.